The southern border issues by Brad Johnson Americans for Intelligence Reform

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good evening number one Chris McCallum

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at files broadcast we were always glad

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to have heard your buddy Brad Johnson

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yeah I see him in a long time

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he’s been Harlem Globetrotter and all

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over the world not only didn’t talk

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about that a little bit Brad get to see

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tonight Brad as a former CIA operative

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for those of you that don’t know who he

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is I jokingly he called me show today

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and I jokingly asked Brad was my phone

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being tapped every time he calls and he

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just laughed he said he’ll MacDonald

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your phones tapped all the times just

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got back from overseas has at a

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conference in republic of georgia

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atlanta georgia but Tbilisi Georgia got

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your former Soviet republic now a very

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solid interesting country beautiful and

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it’s a uniformly Christian Orthodox

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country so I’ve got to say Christmas and

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the Republic of Georgia is an experience

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it’s absolutely stunningly so if you

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have the opportunity to go see the

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Christmas decorations I recommend it

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highly

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we did McMahon raises from the dead soon

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to be some money I actually might get on

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a plane and do that that’s sound like

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Christmas trip that sounds great but

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it’s seriously friend it’s good to have

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you back among the living over here and

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we didn’t miss talking to you at the end

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of the year but to know had that going

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on I hope you had a good holiday a good

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New Year Brad it was a lot to talk to

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you last we’ve had a tremendous up

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people in Washington DC but then what’s

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new I’m gonna tackle the first thing

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that’s the biggie right now

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and then we’ll get him some

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international stuff but you know you got

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to wall argument going on Brad with our

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president he spoke Thursday night or

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Wednesday night to the nation eight

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minutes speech I thought it was brought

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on target and then you had these I’m not

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so sure if that wasn’t us some kind of

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people out of a horror show but Nancy

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and shot were pretty scary to me when

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they came and but if you look at looking

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at it purely from a production

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standpoint and nothing else I mean they

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are just all wrong on

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on Nancy and Chuck show they were these

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had it set up sitting wrong just did

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such a poor job of execution very bad

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and you know what they said didn’t

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didn’t help much either but Brad you

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know I know you’re more of a you know

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with the security but you know you get

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down to it you know the CIA II you know

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you all have been protecting the country

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for years and all from threats overseas

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but look we got a threat we got a threat

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in this border and and we got it we got

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a secure our southern border Brad

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because if we don’t we’re gonna keep

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having these terrible tragedies happen

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president Trump mentioned some of them

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in the speech and look I just think that

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it’s gonna keep you know these murders

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the duis the killings the rapes the

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ms-13 the terrorist threat coming in

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across the border all of that is real

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and to be honest with you if he can’t

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get Congress to help him he’s gonna have

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to turn to the Department of Defense and

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if that don’t happen close border down

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because I mean at some point you got to

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fix this thing and I just think that

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he’s smart and putting his hand down

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putting this foot down in the sand and

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say this is the this is it we’re not

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going nowhere until we even get this

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fixed or we don’t go forward I like that

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attitude personally I’m just curious how

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you feel about it but I want you to deal

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with this border thing from a security

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standpoint because people don’t

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understand just I don’t think they

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really get it I really don’t think a lot

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of people in the country understand how

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important this argument is right now for

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the future of our nation well I agree

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across support it certainly is important

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and a couple of points going over

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mention over those issues permanent

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Trampas is doing what he’s been doing

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all along which is keeping his promises

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his campaign promises and I think the

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fact is that everybody outside of the

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say Christian conservative libertarian

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crowds mainly people like us that are

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supporters outside of that crowd

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everybody’s just astounded and can’t

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believe it and think it’s stupid and you

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know I just don’t think they understand

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how to react to that if he promised all

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along he was gonna do it said all along

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he was gonna do it now he’s doing it and

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what are you so surprised but so it’s a

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it’s an odd thing clearly the reaction

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on the left is a hundred percent

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politics they just they have to show to

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their to their base you know that

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they’re gonna stand firm against the

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president even though as we’ve all seen

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in a lot of

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he’s reporting that Nancy Pelosi and

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Chuck Schumer have both come out in

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favor of border walls and controls and

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all of that type of activity on the

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border many times in the past so you

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know the the hypocrisy of the left is

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just utterly apparent in this and as as

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we were just joking their parents on the

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counterpoint section that they did for

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the president was just awful so the

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president looked pretty good and and he

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was appealing to a crowd of people that

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don’t normally listen to him

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you know people on the nightly news

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evening news circuit that just don’t

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necessarily pay attention otherwise saw

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him and he was discussing things as a

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normal rational guy just pointing out

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the problems they try to say that

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everything he says is a lie they Nancy

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Pelosi said it in a very interesting way

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she said you know in essence I don’t

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believe your facts and yet she called

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them facts facts doesn’t want to agree

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with him for whatever reason but I think

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that was a little bit of a Freudian slip

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on her part I don’t think she’s going

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going back to the border wallet so from

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the controls and so on I mean there’s

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I’ve worked with border patrol in the

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past and when I was still active duty

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with the agency and I’ve been on up and

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down that border and got tours from the

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Border Patrol guys a lot those are good

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guys I enjoyed working with them and it

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was very productive program that we were

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working on together and the problems

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that they’re talking about that the

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president’s bringing to the to the

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surface are all true and real I mean

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they’ve got a tough job and a lot of the

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border areas is a single strand of wire

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you know in some places they’re just

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nothing and those those are it’s just

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wide open for anyone to do anything that

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they want to come across and people talk

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about well there’s not that many

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terrorists that come across if any and

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they dispute that but you know how many

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terrorists would have to be able to come

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across that border to do an act I mean

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what if you have 11 come could they

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steal a bunch of airplanes and drive

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them into the

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New York you know they could so you know

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it’s also take very many people to be

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extraordinarily but something that needs

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to be taken into account and they’re

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disputing how many terrorists actually

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come across but there are terrorists

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that have been caught and the president

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of Guatemala remember what three months

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ago said that in the previous year or so

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that he in Guatemala had arrested nearly

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100 terrorist related individuals so you

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know I I think if you think that that

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Guatemala is the perfect net that

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catches everybody trying to get to the

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southern border I mean you’re just

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you’re it’s more the tip of the iceberg

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than some you know fully capable unit of

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operation that’s capturing everybody so

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I mean you’re just you can look in bits

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and pieces of places and see where the

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the numbers are coming across but even

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if it’s not terrorists I mean let’s say

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theoretically that there aren’t any

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which i think is a silly argument but

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let’s say that you still have narco

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traffickers and human traffickers and

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all sorts of every type of illegal

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activity that you can think of they do

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up and down that border and look at what

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has done to Mexico the impact on Mexico

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and the government I mean they’re I

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don’t think there is an element of

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Mexican government that’s not corrupt

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and why is that and it’s because of

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things like this the narcotics going

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through the country and there’s so much

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money to be made in it that that that

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they have control of those areas and

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there’s really nothing that central

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government can do about it so there you

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either join or Die is really at what’s

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going on Pablo Escobar if you go back to

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Colombia narco traffickers made that

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famous with his comment in Spanish promo

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Plata which means money or or led from a

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bullet which literally it’s silver or

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lead is that is the same cloak more

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Plaza but that was the meaning I’ll

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either kill you or I’ll pay off and in

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Mexico they suffer from all of that and

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that that corruption has a lot of impact

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on them and the dead bodies piled up in

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Mexico and innocent civilians getting

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killed and the young men drawn into

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gangs and all of these things that’s

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that’s not good for anybody so all of

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that needs to be stopped and controlled

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it would be a great help to Mexico to

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reestablish you know the control over

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their own country

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and it would be a help here you know all

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the drug deaths that we’ve seen it

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everybody talks about actors and singers

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that die from overdose and so on but

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it’s also just normal people just nice

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decent normal people that take a wrong

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decision or a wrong turn in life

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sometimes and given a little bit of time

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would come back to a normal life and not

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not lose themselves in drugs I mean

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there’s there’s no hope you’re never

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gonna stop it completely but we should

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do it we can to make it as best as we

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can and there’s a lot of price to be

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paid and just the burden of illegals

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coming through one of the points the

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president made of the cost of all of

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that is enormous

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just on the school system alone if you

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took 10% of the cost against our school

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system and put that to a wall the border

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to stop it you know you would cover it

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so it because it’s 50 some odd billion

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was the estimate for that and he’s asked

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five billion so ten percent of the of

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the extra cost to our school system

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would cover it so I mean the president

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made a lot of excellent points there’s a

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lot of excellent reasons to do it I

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really don’t see a reason not to do it I

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think the only reason that anyone is

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arguing not to do it or twofold one the

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Democrats want them across because

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they’re going to be voters for the

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Democratic Party and they want another

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base of voters and two there’s a lot of

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people that want cheap labor so you have

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those two things in combination where

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you’ll see some business leaders some of

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the magnets the big guys want the cheap

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labor and and the rest of it’s all the

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political power the voting blocs so

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those are really the only reasons I

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don’t know what other reason there would

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be I mean I’ve heard the Democrats make

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an argument that morally it’s

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unacceptable for us to do this and you

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know silliness of it I mean how many

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countries have walls on different

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borders and it’s you know I don’t know

0:13:45.439,0:13:48.259
are there any countries that don’t have

0:13:46.670,0:13:50.810
any walls at all I mean there are no

0:13:48.259,0:13:52.220
controls I I don’t know I I’ve been to

0:13:50.810,0:13:53.779
well over 100 countries and I can’t

0:13:52.220,0:13:56.000
think going off and there might be done

0:13:53.779,0:13:57.410
somewhere but I just it doesn’t come to

0:13:56.000,0:14:02.480
mind there’s always some border controls

0:13:57.410,0:14:05.779
someplace the walls or fences whatever I

0:14:02.480,0:14:07.339
lent those into one group but the

0:14:05.779,0:14:08.480
effectiveness of those have been proven

0:14:07.339,0:14:10.189
over and over and over and over and over

0:14:08.480,0:14:12.170
Hungary has built them and it stopped a

0:14:10.189,0:14:13.699
lot of the refugees coming in nearly a

0:14:12.170,0:14:16.189
hundred percent I mean you’re in the 90

0:14:13.699,0:14:17.540
percentile for a success rate Israel it

0:14:16.189,0:14:18.820
was done stopped a lot of terrorist

0:14:17.540,0:14:21.770
attacks stopped it

0:14:18.820,0:14:23.420
illegally passing back and forth it just

0:14:21.770,0:14:24.920
it works everywhere it’s tried and it’s

0:14:23.420,0:14:27.170
undisputable I mean there are areas

0:14:24.920,0:14:29.510
where it won’t work like high

0:14:27.170,0:14:31.160
mountainous regions where you know

0:14:29.510,0:14:32.900
building a fence is just impractical or

0:14:31.160,0:14:35.510
really overall just impractical and

0:14:32.900,0:14:37.670
other means need to be used there but

0:14:35.510,0:14:39.800
you know most of the land is not of that

0:14:37.670,0:14:42.200
nature there those areas where a wall

0:14:39.800,0:14:44.210
would be great and effective and had and

0:14:42.200,0:14:47.000
curb you know 90 some odd percent of

0:14:44.210,0:14:49.400
everyone coming across illegally right I

0:14:47.000,0:14:52.130
might ask you a question sounds like a

0:14:49.400,0:14:54.140
oxymoron but I do want to ask you this

0:14:52.130,0:14:56.630
let me give a little feedback out of

0:14:54.140,0:14:58.160
waking here you’ve been all over the

0:14:56.630,0:14:59.870
country all over the country you’ve been

0:14:58.160,0:15:05.089
all over the world and your travels with

0:14:59.870,0:15:07.460
you see I work and when you as a veteran

0:15:05.089,0:15:10.790
of the security forces and you look at

0:15:07.460,0:15:13.400
our situation right now in America have

0:15:10.790,0:15:15.050
you ever seen a time in our country’s

0:15:13.400,0:15:17.870
history that we’ve been more vulnerable

0:15:15.050,0:15:19.700
to attack you know 9/11 sort of caught

0:15:17.870,0:15:21.650
us off guard I think we had sort of

0:15:19.700,0:15:24.380
gotten real complacent with our security

0:15:21.650,0:15:26.810
measures back at 9/11 and then it like

0:15:24.380,0:15:28.310
it’s like it woke us up we started you

0:15:26.810,0:15:30.290
know it developed Department Homeland

0:15:28.310,0:15:31.910
Security passed the Patriot Act get a

0:15:30.290,0:15:33.589
lot of things to try to tighten up

0:15:31.910,0:15:35.900
airport security and things like that

0:15:33.589,0:15:37.880
and it just seems like the memory of

0:15:35.900,0:15:39.530
9/11 has been sort of faded in our

0:15:37.880,0:15:41.960
memory and we don’t I don’t think we

0:15:39.530,0:15:43.460
believe we can be hit again and it just

0:15:41.960,0:15:45.260
seems that this border issue just sort

0:15:43.460,0:15:47.089
of capsules that in a way for me and it

0:15:45.260,0:15:48.860
just seems that we’re I don’t think

0:15:47.089,0:15:50.960
we’ve ever been as vulnerable to

0:15:48.860,0:15:52.730
something and it’s not maybe necessarily

0:15:50.960,0:15:54.080
you like you mentioned let’s just

0:15:52.730,0:15:56.210
hypothetically say there are no

0:15:54.080,0:15:58.220
terrorists there’s still a great number

0:15:56.210,0:16:00.500
of dangers though that are coming in

0:15:58.220,0:16:02.810
across the border and has there been a

0:16:00.500,0:16:04.970
time that you’ve seen in your history of

0:16:02.810,0:16:07.490
this of health and secure the country

0:16:04.970,0:16:09.110
and protect the country that we’ve been

0:16:07.490,0:16:10.760
as vulnerable as we are right now with

0:16:09.110,0:16:12.830
the poor and does the border to you

0:16:10.760,0:16:15.680
represent that thing and and how do you

0:16:12.830,0:16:19.370
feel about all that and that sense yeah

0:16:15.680,0:16:20.990
I I agree to certainly I think your

0:16:19.370,0:16:23.870
point that have we ever been soulful

0:16:20.990,0:16:27.860
honorable and and and in this case I

0:16:23.870,0:16:30.540
would define vulnerable as you know our

0:16:27.860,0:16:33.090
unwillingness to face the problem

0:16:30.540,0:16:34.470
and issues that are there and there’s no

0:16:33.090,0:16:35.970
disputing that they’re there it’s just

0:16:34.470,0:16:37.950
there’s an unwillingness to really face

0:16:35.970,0:16:42.030
them and address them take care of them

0:16:37.950,0:16:43.860
find solutions so yes we’ve never been

0:16:42.030,0:16:46.860
in a situation like we’ve been now and

0:16:43.860,0:16:49.620
it’s really I think you can just all

0:16:46.860,0:16:51.720
goes back to the Socialist Movement that

0:16:49.620,0:16:53.730
has taken root in the United States and

0:16:51.720,0:16:55.230
it started with the counterculture as

0:16:53.730,0:16:56.780
everybody used to call it like back in

0:16:55.230,0:16:58.800
the 60s where you’d see it the hippies

0:16:56.780,0:17:01.140
movement and all about I mean that’s

0:16:58.800,0:17:03.000
that’s that’s been what has damages

0:17:01.140,0:17:04.860
since gotten to the point where you know

0:17:03.000,0:17:07.730
what you know if you look at what PC is

0:17:04.860,0:17:09.840
being PC really means you know

0:17:07.730,0:17:12.270
pretending something is true that it’s

0:17:09.840,0:17:23.850
not true and that way you can stifle all

0:17:12.270,0:17:26.340
the debate I was just talking to someone

0:17:23.850,0:17:27.840
from Denmark who is a political type

0:17:26.340,0:17:29.580
they’re one of the political parties

0:17:27.840,0:17:32.730
that have are gaining some power there

0:17:29.580,0:17:33.930
I’m a Conservative Party and one of

0:17:32.730,0:17:36.120
these conferences we were just sitting

0:17:33.930,0:17:37.740
quietly the – it was chatting and I

0:17:36.120,0:17:39.450
asked him about what is the attitude

0:17:37.740,0:17:40.860
there with all the rapes that you see I

0:17:39.450,0:17:42.780
mean what I’m just thinking to myself

0:17:40.860,0:17:45.510
what would be the attitude if we had

0:17:42.780,0:17:47.190
these groups of foreigners coming in and

0:17:45.510,0:17:48.570
just running in large groups of people

0:17:47.190,0:17:50.400
just grabbing all of our women and

0:17:48.570,0:17:52.920
raping him and beating them and in some

0:17:50.400,0:17:54.570
cases to death what would be the

0:17:52.920,0:17:56.730
reaction and I think here the United

0:17:54.570,0:17:58.620
States but first of all the police

0:17:56.730,0:18:01.020
wouldn’t allow just to begin with but if

0:17:58.620,0:18:03.000
they did within what would happen and I

0:18:01.020,0:18:05.550
think I don’t think you could stop

0:18:03.000,0:18:07.260
vigilantism I don’t think you could stop

0:18:05.550,0:18:09.720
it I think everybody just go out and

0:18:07.260,0:18:11.220
kill them all and I’m not promoting

0:18:09.720,0:18:15.870
vigilantism let me be clear

0:18:11.220,0:18:18.300
but happening I just don’t I’m not sure

0:18:15.870,0:18:20.430
you could stop it and yet in Denmark and

0:18:18.300,0:18:22.110
countries in Northern Europe were these

0:18:20.430,0:18:24.810
large bands of men have come in and do

0:18:22.110,0:18:27.200
this training that they do by a rape and

0:18:24.810,0:18:29.580
making these girls into what they want

0:18:27.200,0:18:33.150
he told me that the attitude is they

0:18:29.580,0:18:35.190
view it as like you’re not evolve diff

0:18:33.150,0:18:37.470
you think that you know this you need to

0:18:35.190,0:18:39.150
physically defend yourself against the

0:18:37.470,0:18:41.840
stuff and it’s the intellectual attitude

0:18:39.150,0:18:44.930
to sit back

0:18:41.840,0:18:44.930
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0:18:51.900,0:18:57.640
you see that in Europe here in the

0:18:55.240,0:18:59.800
United States it’s just this attitude of

0:18:57.640,0:19:01.840
yeah terrorism all you have to do is

0:18:59.800,0:19:03.400
either this thing said terrorism all you

0:19:01.840,0:19:05.800
have to do is build hospitals and get

0:19:03.400,0:19:08.080
them good jobs and all of that and I say

0:19:05.800,0:19:11.740
particularly to you and and your

0:19:08.080,0:19:13.150
listeners what would it take for me what

0:19:11.740,0:19:14.950
would I have to say to you what sort of

0:19:13.150,0:19:16.450
job would I have to get you what sort of

0:19:14.950,0:19:18.460
hospital service would I have to provide

0:19:16.450,0:19:20.710
to you for you to completely walk away

0:19:18.460,0:19:23.050
from your faith and the answer is gonna

0:19:20.710,0:19:25.450
be room work well it’s the same thing

0:19:23.050,0:19:27.370
for them we’re not gonna come out of

0:19:25.450,0:19:30.130
their faith that they’re willing to risk

0:19:27.370,0:19:32.380
their life for by offering them a job or

0:19:30.130,0:19:33.610
a hospital services or anything you’re

0:19:32.380,0:19:36.910
not gonna say anything to them they are

0:19:33.610,0:19:39.130
what they are if they persevere and

0:19:36.910,0:19:42.280
their idea of coming to kill us all or

0:19:39.130,0:19:43.780
destroy us and and take over their there

0:19:42.280,0:19:45.370
is no other way you have to fight them

0:19:43.780,0:19:47.650
and in some cases does that mean killing

0:19:45.370,0:19:49.960
them as it does it’s an unhappy truth

0:19:47.650,0:19:52.300
but it’s a truth and and we just seem so

0:19:49.960,0:19:54.130
unwilling to face this today that that

0:19:52.300,0:19:55.690
the fact of life is sometimes you got to

0:19:54.130,0:19:56.980
put on your big boy pants and understand

0:19:55.690,0:19:58.630
there’s dangerous people in the world

0:19:56.980,0:20:00.970
that you’re not gonna stop through

0:19:58.630,0:20:02.740
talking to them I would say the same

0:20:00.970,0:20:04.390
with narco-trafficking you know

0:20:02.740,0:20:07.030
narco-trafficking we could stop tomorrow

0:20:04.390,0:20:09.850
I mean for example the the aircraft that

0:20:07.030,0:20:11.350
are used something like it was an FBI

0:20:09.850,0:20:15.610
statistic that they put together

0:20:11.350,0:20:18.130
something like 85% of all cocaine that

0:20:15.610,0:20:21.280
ends up in the United States is flown at

0:20:18.130,0:20:23.620
some point by say 20 aero commander

0:20:21.280,0:20:25.660
aircraft a big good sized twin-engine

0:20:23.620,0:20:29.350
aircraft to move about 500 kilos it up

0:20:25.660,0:20:32.350
at a shot so if you just shot down those

0:20:29.350,0:20:34.120
aircraft full of narco traffickers you’d

0:20:32.350,0:20:35.740
stop you’d bring the cocaine trade to

0:20:34.120,0:20:37.000
its knees but nobody’s willing to do it

0:20:35.740,0:20:39.640
politically there’s nobody willing to do

0:20:37.000,0:20:41.500
it and and I’m not even promoting it as

0:20:39.640,0:20:43.210
something that I’m suggesting we do I’m

0:20:41.500,0:20:45.720
merely pointing it out that if we had

0:20:43.210,0:20:48.550
the political willingness to stop it

0:20:45.720,0:20:50.410
it can be stopped overnight and that

0:20:48.550,0:20:52.270
willingness just doesn’t exist not only

0:20:50.410,0:20:53.890
does it not exist but you’re not allowed

0:20:52.270,0:20:56.470
to discuss it and if you

0:20:53.890,0:20:58.840
to discuss it then you’re a racist hater

0:20:56.470,0:21:00.310
what an homophobe whatever whatever you

0:20:58.840,0:21:01.750
want to tab I mean you’re called names

0:21:00.310,0:21:03.340
and of course the whole purpose of

0:21:01.750,0:21:05.440
calling you names is to stop the

0:21:03.340,0:21:07.120
discussion so I mean that’s one of the

0:21:05.440,0:21:08.680
things that we have people like us in

0:21:07.120,0:21:10.900
your program and those are the type of

0:21:08.680,0:21:12.400
things we need to push back against and

0:21:10.900,0:21:15.340
fight against so hopefully we’re

0:21:12.400,0:21:17.380
succeeding to some degree I hope we’re

0:21:15.340,0:21:20.140
succeeding to brand I think you had some

0:21:17.380,0:21:21.580
great points there and and again I you

0:21:20.140,0:21:23.050
know that’s why I asked the question I

0:21:21.580,0:21:26.680
just do believe that there’s a sense

0:21:23.050,0:21:30.640
just like you said that the left is

0:21:26.680,0:21:32.140
unwilling to admit that the danger even

0:21:30.640,0:21:34.300
exists that was sort of what I took away

0:21:32.140,0:21:35.500
from Nancy and Chuck speech it was

0:21:34.300,0:21:37.900
almost like they were in another

0:21:35.500,0:21:39.370
universe it was just like president

0:21:37.900,0:21:41.830
truck just laid all these facts out

0:21:39.370,0:21:44.260
about how dangerous this border is like

0:21:41.830,0:21:46.720
I saw a figure the other day 63,000

0:21:44.260,0:21:51.730
people Brad had been killed since nine

0:21:46.720,0:21:54.030
since 2001 we lost about 2,900 on 9/11

0:21:51.730,0:21:56.770
on the terrorist attack if you take that

0:21:54.030,0:21:59.320
63,000 and you you sort of figure that

0:21:56.770,0:22:01.000
out we’ve lost 63 thousand illegal

0:21:59.320,0:22:02.440
aliens that’s that’s crime that’s been

0:22:01.000,0:22:04.530
committed in the country by illegal

0:22:02.440,0:22:07.120
aliens since 2001

0:22:04.530,0:22:11.620
would there be murder DUI whatever

0:22:07.120,0:22:13.660
that’s 21 911s Brad 21 and I don’t know

0:22:11.620,0:22:15.010
what else you can lay out there if I was

0:22:13.660,0:22:16.630
to lay that before Nancy Pelosi I

0:22:15.010,0:22:17.800
guarantee you she sit there and tell me

0:22:16.630,0:22:19.030
that figure is wrong because I’ve

0:22:17.800,0:22:21.250
already had that happen by a lot of

0:22:19.030,0:22:22.690
people on Twitter and a few other people

0:22:21.250,0:22:23.800
we put that out there and we get some

0:22:22.690,0:22:25.240
blowback and they’re saying well your

0:22:23.800,0:22:27.970
figures are all wrong we’ll go look like

0:22:25.240,0:22:29.410
that go look it up so even if you

0:22:27.970,0:22:32.350
present these people with the facts

0:22:29.410,0:22:34.540
they’re not going to say that’s right

0:22:32.350,0:22:37.750
and that’s what we need and that scares

0:22:34.540,0:22:39.700
me more than the threat itself because

0:22:37.750,0:22:41.800
it’s the same mentality that got us

0:22:39.700,0:22:43.420
attacked on 9/11 that we let everything

0:22:41.800,0:22:45.370
down we let our guard down and I guess

0:22:43.420,0:22:47.920
as long as president Trump’s in power

0:22:45.370,0:22:48.970
we’re good but if he something happens

0:22:47.920,0:22:50.470
and you don’t get power these

0:22:48.970,0:22:53.110
Republicans lose power and they lose the

0:22:50.470,0:22:56.250
Senate – god help us all because these

0:22:53.110,0:22:59.110
people that you saw on that television

0:22:56.250,0:23:01.210
Wednesday night we Chuck and Nancy their

0:22:59.110,0:23:03.130
group is gonna open these borders up and

0:23:01.210,0:23:05.470
god help us god help the United States

0:23:03.130,0:23:06.880
it will not be a country if we do that

0:23:05.470,0:23:07.830
let me move on to something real quick

0:23:06.880,0:23:09.810
right

0:23:07.830,0:23:11.310
I wanted to get your input also on

0:23:09.810,0:23:13.530
another big developing story that took

0:23:11.310,0:23:16.020
place while you were out and that is the

0:23:13.530,0:23:17.700
pull out of Syria by the president and

0:23:16.020,0:23:18.990
it’s not over and I he’s not just going

0:23:17.700,0:23:20.490
to go down there and yank all the troops

0:23:18.990,0:23:23.760
out immediately it’s gonna be a gradual

0:23:20.490,0:23:25.020
withdrawal and he went down rack over

0:23:23.760,0:23:27.150
Christmas I really thought that was a

0:23:25.020,0:23:29.460
really great moment in his presidency

0:23:27.150,0:23:32.190
the first lady visited there first time

0:23:29.460,0:23:34.500
first lady has been in a war zone and a

0:23:32.190,0:23:36.480
holiday since 1969 I just I thought the

0:23:34.500,0:23:38.520
speech was great but I think more

0:23:36.480,0:23:40.560
importantly he gave assurances to our

0:23:38.520,0:23:42.750
allies in the Middle East that just

0:23:40.560,0:23:45.180
because we’re taking our troops out of

0:23:42.750,0:23:47.610
Afghanistan in Syria that doesn’t mean

0:23:45.180,0:23:49.890
that we’re not going to be confronting

0:23:47.610,0:23:52.050
terrorism and not going to be having our

0:23:49.890,0:23:53.490
eye on the Middle East and making sure

0:23:52.050,0:23:55.470
that things don’t happen that are bad

0:23:53.490,0:23:57.240
and unsavory over there because look the

0:23:55.470,0:23:59.850
United States does not want to get in an

0:23:57.240,0:24:01.800
isolationist position you’ve been all

0:23:59.850,0:24:04.050
over this world and I keep bringing your

0:24:01.800,0:24:06.300
experience that you know what that means

0:24:04.050,0:24:08.010
when it comes how bad that can be for

0:24:06.300,0:24:09.270
the world if we don’t take a role in the

0:24:08.010,0:24:10.770
world but we can’t be the world’s

0:24:09.270,0:24:12.750
policemen either Brad and it’s sort of

0:24:10.770,0:24:14.160
you had to find a balance and I believe

0:24:12.750,0:24:15.600
president Trump has found that with what

0:24:14.160,0:24:18.900
he’s wanting to do what do you feel

0:24:15.600,0:24:20.640
about that he’s certainly trying and and

0:24:18.900,0:24:23.460
agreed both those two things need to

0:24:20.640,0:24:25.410
both exist you cannot be in isolation

0:24:23.460,0:24:27.450
but you can’t try to police the world

0:24:25.410,0:24:28.980
either so yeah absolutely you need to

0:24:27.450,0:24:30.840
pick and choose where you apply your

0:24:28.980,0:24:33.870
your capabilities and certainly we don’t

0:24:30.840,0:24:36.210
have the resources to be everywhere as a

0:24:33.870,0:24:37.370
world police force so yeah you’ve got to

0:24:36.210,0:24:39.810
you’ve got to pick and choose now

0:24:37.370,0:24:41.460
starting with your original point about

0:24:39.810,0:24:44.220
Syria and the pull out that that

0:24:41.460,0:24:46.350
initiated with eight so it’s been

0:24:44.220,0:24:48.300
publicly stated I’m there’s a lot going

0:24:46.350,0:24:51.260
on behind the scenes but it’s been

0:24:48.300,0:24:53.880
publicly stated it started with the 14

0:24:51.260,0:24:56.280
December conversation between President

0:24:53.880,0:25:01.590
Erdogan of Turkey and President Trump

0:24:56.280,0:25:04.830
now III President Erdogan on Turkish

0:25:01.590,0:25:06.870
media is saying that he and trunk came

0:25:04.830,0:25:08.670
to an agreement that we would pull back

0:25:06.870,0:25:11.550
our forces there was only about two

0:25:08.670,0:25:15.060
thousand guys there people there and

0:25:11.550,0:25:16.830
troops there and Syria in Northwest

0:25:15.060,0:25:18.810
Syria and that we were gonna pull those

0:25:16.830,0:25:20.790
back and that they would then step up to

0:25:18.810,0:25:23.070
the plate and start fighting Isis and

0:25:20.790,0:25:25.350
and take-out terrorism and that that was

0:25:23.070,0:25:27.000
the extent of the agreement now of

0:25:25.350,0:25:29.100
course we’re saying yeah okay you you

0:25:27.000,0:25:31.020
step up and take out terrorism and we

0:25:29.100,0:25:33.480
when we say terrorism we mean Isis and

0:25:31.020,0:25:35.040
when the Turks eight terrorists and I

0:25:33.480,0:25:38.060
say yeah yeah we’ll get Isis to do but

0:25:35.040,0:25:41.160
we mean the Kurds so now you’ve had the

0:25:38.060,0:25:42.480
National Security Advisor John Bolton

0:25:41.160,0:25:44.670
come in and say well there’s conditions

0:25:42.480,0:25:46.830
to our pullout and those conditions are

0:25:44.670,0:25:49.140
one of them being that the Kurds don’t

0:25:46.830,0:25:51.500
get trounced by the are killed by the by

0:25:49.140,0:25:53.640
the Turks so we have to protect them now

0:25:51.500,0:25:55.140
the Kurds have already seen the writing

0:25:53.640,0:25:57.630
on the wall and so they’re worried so

0:25:55.140,0:26:00.830
what they’ve started to do is pull back

0:25:57.630,0:26:04.530
a bit and in those areas they invite in

0:26:00.830,0:26:06.360
Assad’s troops the Syrian army troops

0:26:04.530,0:26:09.150
that are that are controlled by the

0:26:06.360,0:26:11.880
central government of Syria arts which

0:26:09.150,0:26:13.460
is Bashar al-assad’s military which is

0:26:11.880,0:26:16.410
backed by the Iranians and the Russians

0:26:13.460,0:26:18.840
but from the Kurds perspective that acts

0:26:16.410,0:26:20.610
as a buffer because then you’d have the

0:26:18.840,0:26:23.040
Turkish troops trying to move into those

0:26:20.610,0:26:25.440
areas and then they’d have to fight

0:26:23.040,0:26:27.600
their way through the Syrian troops so I

0:26:25.440,0:26:29.220
don’t I just you know that’s a danger

0:26:27.600,0:26:31.260
that’s something we need to keep an eye

0:26:29.220,0:26:33.930
on because that’s how war start you know

0:26:31.260,0:26:36.060
you to state armies facing off

0:26:33.930,0:26:38.370
toe-to-toe and then they start fighting

0:26:36.060,0:26:41.280
and you’d have the Iranians and Russians

0:26:38.370,0:26:44.970
to get involved and and Turkey of course

0:26:41.280,0:26:46.530
is NATO country so you I get the NATO

0:26:44.970,0:26:49.980
countries would be supposed to jump in

0:26:46.530,0:26:51.960
and help them so I don’t know that could

0:26:49.980,0:26:54.060
be bad you know I I’m not suggesting

0:26:51.960,0:26:56.160
that that’s a particularly likely

0:26:54.060,0:26:57.570
scenario but really those are one of the

0:26:56.160,0:26:59.580
things you want to keep an eye on and

0:26:57.570,0:27:02.790
make sure it doesn’t turn into that sort

0:26:59.580,0:27:04.620
of situation but Trump is as I think

0:27:02.790,0:27:07.110
made the right decision to pull out

0:27:04.620,0:27:09.030
there’s just not enough gain to keep us

0:27:07.110,0:27:10.650
there permanently we’re not getting

0:27:09.030,0:27:13.110
anywhere I mean the Iranians and the

0:27:10.650,0:27:15.270
Russians backing the Assad regime

0:27:13.110,0:27:16.980
they’ve consolidated power not been

0:27:15.270,0:27:18.900
weakened which is always one of the

0:27:16.980,0:27:22.020
initial reasons supposedly we went in

0:27:18.900,0:27:23.820
and yes we’ve decimated Isis and there

0:27:22.020,0:27:26.310
are a few pockets left but they’re

0:27:23.820,0:27:27.840
mostly gone so I mean what do you just

0:27:26.310,0:27:30.600
stay there forever to protect the Kurds

0:27:27.840,0:27:32.310
and and I don’t think answers yes but

0:27:30.600,0:27:35.309
yet we have to pull out and protect the

0:27:32.310,0:27:37.200
Kurds somehow together which by the way

0:27:35.309,0:27:40.800
James Manus who resigned over this I

0:27:37.200,0:27:43.770
think made up a in just a classic

0:27:40.800,0:27:46.500
blunder on this because he he linked two

0:27:43.770,0:27:48.990
separate issues as one issue and he at

0:27:46.500,0:27:53.400
least stated that he resigned because of

0:27:48.990,0:27:55.050
were our allies but it’s one thing to

0:27:53.400,0:27:57.660
pull out and it’s a separate issue to

0:27:55.050,0:27:59.250
desert your allies great point and he

0:27:57.660,0:28:01.500
linked those two instead of keeping them

0:27:59.250,0:28:03.240
separate if he’d have stayed he could be

0:28:01.500,0:28:05.190
one of the people arguing very

0:28:03.240,0:28:07.320
strenuously to keep keep support going

0:28:05.190,0:28:08.730
to the Kurds what the Turks of course

0:28:07.320,0:28:11.880
want and what they’re saying in that

0:28:08.730,0:28:14.280
Turkish crisis they want those bases

0:28:11.880,0:28:15.840
they’ve said named sixteen US bases in

0:28:14.280,0:28:18.240
that area they want to take over and

0:28:15.840,0:28:20.190
they want all of the military equipment

0:28:18.240,0:28:23.010
taken away from the Kurds that they’ve

0:28:20.190,0:28:25.050
been given and they’re making threats

0:28:23.010,0:28:26.970
you know he’s talking tough to his to

0:28:25.050,0:28:28.590
his local audience there and and saying

0:28:26.970,0:28:30.690
that we could go in without any pre

0:28:28.590,0:28:33.809
notice warning to anyone else

0:28:30.690,0:28:35.940
and so he’s rattling swords there so

0:28:33.809,0:28:38.700
it’s it’s a it’s a situation we have to

0:28:35.940,0:28:40.710
keep our eyes on but I don’t think the

0:28:38.700,0:28:43.730
pullout could possibly be anytime soon

0:28:40.710,0:28:47.070
because there’s zero chance that

0:28:43.730,0:28:50.250
President Erdogan in Turkey is going to

0:28:47.070,0:28:52.200
agree to keep arms in the hands of the

0:28:50.250,0:28:54.570
Kurds or to leave them in peace and not

0:28:52.200,0:28:56.460
attack them and he’s just not going to

0:28:54.570,0:28:59.309
do it he’s absolutely dedicated to

0:28:56.460,0:29:01.500
wiping him out and that’s just a fact of

0:28:59.309,0:29:04.410
life do you see him

0:29:01.500,0:29:06.600
align himself with Iran in any way do

0:29:04.410,0:29:08.309
you think that there’s some kind of evil

0:29:06.600,0:29:11.100
haunts it’s going to develop out of this

0:29:08.309,0:29:12.750
that it that what we’re doing would

0:29:11.100,0:29:14.730
enhance the reins position in that

0:29:12.750,0:29:17.280
region or do you still look at Turkey as

0:29:14.730,0:29:19.020
being the the bigger player I’d I guess

0:29:17.280,0:29:20.370
that I have no problem to put one out

0:29:19.020,0:29:23.160
and Brad to be honest with you I got to

0:29:20.370,0:29:26.370
probably pull them out of Afghanistan we

0:29:23.160,0:29:28.559
have wasted 17 wasted maybe that’s a

0:29:26.370,0:29:30.300
strong word I wouldn’t say wasted but

0:29:28.559,0:29:32.460
we’ve really if you look at the overall

0:29:30.300,0:29:34.800
accomplishments of what we’ve done in

0:29:32.460,0:29:36.179
Afghanistan they’ve been fairly very

0:29:34.800,0:29:38.670
little it there was a lot done at the

0:29:36.179,0:29:40.290
beginning we scattered the Taliban we

0:29:38.670,0:29:42.210
destroyed their base we destroyed their

0:29:40.290,0:29:46.050
base of operation we chased Osama bin

0:29:42.210,0:29:47.820
Laden into Pakistan it scenes and you

0:29:46.050,0:29:48.240
know other regions of the area over

0:29:47.820,0:29:51.720
there

0:29:48.240,0:29:53.550
it if we just have a force there there’s

0:29:51.720,0:29:55.620
the British have found this to help the

0:29:53.550,0:29:57.360
Russians have found this out other

0:29:55.620,0:29:59.190
empires have found this out that is a

0:29:57.360,0:30:02.580
wasteland man that is nothing but a

0:29:59.190,0:30:05.120
freaking wasteland of death and you know

0:30:02.580,0:30:08.940
if the Afghanistan Afghanistan ease

0:30:05.120,0:30:10.260
won’t a you know whatever kind of

0:30:08.940,0:30:12.450
government they want that’s really up to

0:30:10.260,0:30:13.590
them it’s not at us and I don’t know why

0:30:12.450,0:30:16.170
we’ve been there and I think President

0:30:13.590,0:30:17.790
Trump was very wise in saying look you

0:30:16.170,0:30:19.920
know we can we’ve been there 17 years

0:30:17.790,0:30:22.470
guys it’s time to bring this stuff to an

0:30:19.920,0:30:24.480
end give it back to them and look we’re

0:30:22.470,0:30:26.190
not gonna again not be an isolationist

0:30:24.480,0:30:28.140
if we see something developing that we

0:30:26.190,0:30:30.090
need to deal with we’ll address it but

0:30:28.140,0:30:32.700
we can’t just keep staying there because

0:30:30.090,0:30:35.310
our boys Brad are men and a women in

0:30:32.700,0:30:37.140
uniform or the ones paying the price and

0:30:35.310,0:30:38.490
ultimately we’re paying the price to out

0:30:37.140,0:30:40.380
here in the American taxpayer in

0:30:38.490,0:30:42.300
community because it’s just that bill

0:30:40.380,0:30:46.590
just keeps going higher and we got

0:30:42.300,0:30:48.450
nothing to show for nothing yeah it’s

0:30:46.590,0:30:51.240
it’s a touched on a real problem

0:30:48.450,0:30:52.740
certainly the history of Afghanistan has

0:30:51.240,0:30:55.440
been proven over and over and over the

0:30:52.740,0:30:58.050
by the Brits and and others as you’ve

0:30:55.440,0:31:00.120
said that’s another one of those classic

0:30:58.050,0:31:06.660
blunders getting into a land war in Asia

0:31:00.120,0:31:09.270
but the the problem there if I may say

0:31:06.660,0:31:11.370
and as a as a Cherokee coming from

0:31:09.270,0:31:14.520
having some tribal background in my

0:31:11.370,0:31:18.090
blood it’s one of those things that’s

0:31:14.520,0:31:21.240
it’s a it’s a that country is tribal and

0:31:18.090,0:31:22.620
so you’ve got many different tribes that

0:31:21.240,0:31:25.290
are in there and they just have their

0:31:22.620,0:31:27.510
own way and so you’ll have your fiefdom

0:31:25.290,0:31:30.420
is if you will using terms that we would

0:31:27.510,0:31:34.140
look at it as and they’re just not going

0:31:30.420,0:31:37.560
to do what we want tribal culture does

0:31:34.140,0:31:39.900
not easily make a democracy great man

0:31:37.560,0:31:41.670
not going to come in even with 17 years

0:31:39.900,0:31:43.380
I’m not sure a lifetime would do it I’m

0:31:41.670,0:31:45.540
not sure two lifetimes would do it and

0:31:43.380,0:31:47.280
that would be if you were systematically

0:31:45.540,0:31:49.470
trying to change the culture which we

0:31:47.280,0:31:51.720
are not so it’s going to go back to what

0:31:49.470,0:31:53.910
it was because it is a tribal culture

0:31:51.720,0:31:57.720
that is the culture and that is their

0:31:53.910,0:31:59.430
way and it’s just like I said it would

0:31:57.720,0:32:01.260
be just an overwhelmingly huge problem

0:31:59.430,0:32:02.110
to try and adapt that change it and

0:32:01.260,0:32:03.880
create a difficult

0:32:02.110,0:32:06.130
there but also too I’m not sure that

0:32:03.880,0:32:07.570
that’s any of our business you know I’m

0:32:06.130,0:32:09.820
not sure that’s what we should be doing

0:32:07.570,0:32:11.309
is trying to eradicate an existing

0:32:09.820,0:32:14.440
culture and make it into something else

0:32:11.309,0:32:16.240
so you’re stuck with it being with what

0:32:14.440,0:32:18.130
it is now again this is one of those

0:32:16.240,0:32:19.809
things that sometimes you just got to

0:32:18.130,0:32:22.030
put on your big boy pants and face the

0:32:19.809,0:32:23.860
facts as they are in that area the world

0:32:22.030,0:32:27.130
life is cheap they kill each other and

0:32:23.860,0:32:29.110
and that’s you know again and you change

0:32:27.130,0:32:30.790
their culture to get that fixed I don’t

0:32:29.110,0:32:32.679
think you could even if you want to do

0:32:30.790,0:32:35.350
and if you did it would be generational

0:32:32.679,0:32:36.640
I mean if you put 6070 years into the

0:32:35.350,0:32:38.740
effort maybe you could start to have

0:32:36.640,0:32:42.429
some success but I don’t think so

0:32:38.740,0:32:44.860
so really the the goal in a place like

0:32:42.429,0:32:47.500
that in the long term what we need to do

0:32:44.860,0:32:50.020
is is have a select couple of strong men

0:32:47.500,0:32:53.169
we support and hopefully have them be

0:32:50.020,0:32:55.360
minimal as far as you know doing evil in

0:32:53.169,0:32:57.309
the world and just trying trying to

0:32:55.360,0:32:59.049
convince them not to be killing innocent

0:32:57.309,0:33:02.830
people but to keep everything else under

0:32:59.049,0:33:04.480
control and if al-qaeda acts up or in

0:33:02.830,0:33:06.220
any of the other terrorist groups in

0:33:04.480,0:33:07.870
that area where they ready to become

0:33:06.220,0:33:09.880
active that these guys go in and take

0:33:07.870,0:33:11.620
them out so I mean that’s really

0:33:09.880,0:33:13.960
probably being realistic

0:33:11.620,0:33:15.880
that’s the best you can hope for but a

0:33:13.960,0:33:17.470
central government or you back them and

0:33:15.880,0:33:19.330
support them and have them be honest and

0:33:17.470,0:33:21.580
not steal not be corrupt all of that it

0:33:19.330,0:33:24.700
just it just isn’t ever going to be

0:33:21.580,0:33:26.290
realistic it’s just not going so even in

0:33:24.700,0:33:27.820
Afghanistan I don’t think you could even

0:33:26.290,0:33:29.799
have one strong man you’d have to have

0:33:27.820,0:33:32.080
regional strongmen so what you need to

0:33:29.799,0:33:34.179
do is look at it by tribe and by region

0:33:32.080,0:33:37.390
pick out your areas there where you can

0:33:34.179,0:33:39.700
have a strong enough central group in

0:33:37.390,0:33:41.410
there a strong man if you will and try

0:33:39.700,0:33:44.140
to set up a good relationship with them

0:33:41.410,0:33:46.240
and have them keep the terrorists under

0:33:44.140,0:33:48.669
control in those regions I just I just

0:33:46.240,0:33:51.240
don’t see any other way I’d love to find

0:33:48.669,0:33:54.220
a better way but what is it

0:33:51.240,0:33:56.470
that’s great bred and and and had to

0:33:54.220,0:33:58.330
tell you I’m glad you mentioned the

0:33:56.470,0:34:00.100
tribal situations I don’t think a lot of

0:33:58.330,0:34:02.290
Americans understand that I think that

0:34:00.100,0:34:03.549
all they hear is that we’ve been over

0:34:02.290,0:34:05.140
there fighting terrorists but they don’t

0:34:03.549,0:34:08.020
understand when you say terrorists my

0:34:05.140,0:34:10.090
god there’s myriads for terrorists over

0:34:08.020,0:34:12.669
there there’s a there’s a multi-faceted

0:34:10.090,0:34:14.260
face of terrorism in Afghanistan because

0:34:12.669,0:34:15.370
every freaking tribes of terror

0:34:14.260,0:34:17.919
because they wanted to kill each other

0:34:15.370,0:34:19.510
and it’s a war that we don’t need to be

0:34:17.919,0:34:21.040
involved in and it’s just I look at the

0:34:19.510,0:34:23.500
Middle East in general like that right

0:34:21.040,0:34:26.919
now I think that you know we’ve got on

0:34:23.500,0:34:29.560
we got look there’s I’ve said this to a

0:34:26.919,0:34:31.750
vendor still our colleague my colleague

0:34:29.560,0:34:33.490
a few weeks ago and and every time

0:34:31.750,0:34:36.280
America sticks its hand in the Middle

0:34:33.490,0:34:38.470
East every time it’s never failed we

0:34:36.280,0:34:41.590
make a mess of things and Iraq

0:34:38.470,0:34:43.540
Afghanistan if you look at our history

0:34:41.590,0:34:45.280
and even going beyond that and you

0:34:43.540,0:34:46.840
mentioned the landlords in Asia and we

0:34:45.280,0:34:48.340
hate to use the B word but look the

0:34:46.840,0:34:50.889
Vietnam conflict and writing another

0:34:48.340,0:34:52.300
another example of where we try to get

0:34:50.889,0:34:54.610
in the middle of two fighting factions

0:34:52.300,0:34:56.320
and tried to make you know get on one

0:34:54.610,0:34:59.530
side and fight the other and it failed

0:34:56.320,0:35:01.360
miserably and it’s not that our men fail

0:34:59.530,0:35:03.340
but our bureaucrats and our bureaucrats

0:35:01.360,0:35:06.760
fight these freakin wars in Washington

0:35:03.340,0:35:08.650
DC and they don’t understand that they

0:35:06.760,0:35:10.150
don’t have any skin in that it’s our

0:35:08.650,0:35:11.980
boys and girls I hear that’s what my

0:35:10.150,0:35:14.200
heart’s for is the military these

0:35:11.980,0:35:16.360
families that have been separated and so

0:35:14.200,0:35:17.740
forth I don’t mind fighting smart Wars

0:35:16.360,0:35:19.630
we give our national security is

0:35:17.740,0:35:21.370
threatened you’re never gonna hear Chris

0:35:19.630,0:35:23.020
McDonald ever say a negative word about

0:35:21.370,0:35:25.450
us going to war because I know we got

0:35:23.020,0:35:27.730
sometimes you got to fight but just to

0:35:25.450,0:35:28.720
go fight fight Brad click you man you’ve

0:35:27.730,0:35:29.950
been out there you’ve been doing this

0:35:28.720,0:35:32.170
for 30 years you know what I’m saying

0:35:29.950,0:35:33.820
that’s not where our role is it should

0:35:32.170,0:35:35.650
never have been that in our world it’s

0:35:33.820,0:35:37.990
that’s not what America’s role is in

0:35:35.650,0:35:39.460
this world but it just seems that’s what

0:35:37.990,0:35:41.140
the mentality these bureaucrats in

0:35:39.460,0:35:44.260
Washington has been for so many decades

0:35:41.140,0:35:46.240
and it’s refreshing it’s refreshing to

0:35:44.260,0:35:47.920
get a president who doesn’t see the

0:35:46.240,0:35:50.860
world like that that he sees that it’s

0:35:47.920,0:35:54.160
America’s first you know we’re we got to

0:35:50.860,0:35:56.560
take care of our own first but we yeah

0:35:54.160,0:35:58.240
we can protect the world but we can’t

0:35:56.560,0:36:00.970
rule the world and that’s a great

0:35:58.240,0:36:02.020
difference in what you know lady the

0:36:00.970,0:36:04.690
world and ruling the world’s two

0:36:02.020,0:36:06.730
different things yeah I would I would

0:36:04.690,0:36:10.120
phrase it that that you know the United

0:36:06.730,0:36:12.220
States of America is that shining beacon

0:36:10.120,0:36:14.110
of freedom on the hill you know through

0:36:12.220,0:36:15.760
the dark days of the Soviet Union that’s

0:36:14.110,0:36:18.640
what we represented for much of the

0:36:15.760,0:36:21.790
world that was basically enslave now

0:36:18.640,0:36:24.910
what I our goal of that is to become so

0:36:21.790,0:36:27.070
strong and so powerful and and enough of

0:36:24.910,0:36:27.840
a world power that nobody wants to fight

0:36:27.070,0:36:30.570
us I mean that

0:36:27.840,0:36:33.330
how you win right point it strength and

0:36:30.570,0:36:34.710
it’s it’s so much strength but everybody

0:36:33.330,0:36:37.590
knows you’re just too tough to take on

0:36:34.710,0:36:39.630
and that’s that should be our goal and

0:36:37.590,0:36:43.800
then what we should be doing is trying

0:36:39.630,0:36:46.650
to export those values that we share and

0:36:43.800,0:36:48.510
the honesty that that the hard work

0:36:46.650,0:36:50.280
ethic and the honesty that essentially

0:36:48.510,0:36:52.620
has but been what has made this country

0:36:50.280,0:36:54.450
great that independence and

0:36:52.620,0:36:56.190
self-reliance and work ethic the

0:36:54.450,0:36:59.160
exceptionalism of the United States

0:36:56.190,0:37:00.810
that’s what we need to export and if any

0:36:59.160,0:37:03.870
other country in the world were to take

0:37:00.810,0:37:06.390
that on wholeheartedly and and let the

0:37:03.870,0:37:08.670
Justin’s justice system actually work to

0:37:06.390,0:37:10.350
try and fight back the corruption and

0:37:08.670,0:37:12.630
everybody work hard to get ahead and be

0:37:10.350,0:37:14.700
allowed to do it those countries would

0:37:12.630,0:37:16.380
then become wealthy as well and they

0:37:14.700,0:37:18.600
would have a large middle class and and

0:37:16.380,0:37:20.730
be a very successful trading partner for

0:37:18.600,0:37:22.320
us and everybody would be better off in

0:37:20.730,0:37:25.890
the entire world the more we see of that

0:37:22.320,0:37:27.240
and instead of you know giving millions

0:37:25.890,0:37:29.190
of dollars to these little impoverished

0:37:27.240,0:37:30.900
countries for medicine or something I

0:37:29.190,0:37:34.590
mean what we should be trying to do is

0:37:30.900,0:37:37.740
is is export those those those goals and

0:37:34.590,0:37:39.510
those ways of thought and and the

0:37:37.740,0:37:42.900
philosophical nature of how we treat our

0:37:39.510,0:37:45.120
country how we behave and those sorts of

0:37:42.900,0:37:46.440
behaviors so I would I would love to see

0:37:45.120,0:37:48.570
more of that in the world it’s not gonna

0:37:46.440,0:37:52.110
happen I mean just nobody’s a proponent

0:37:48.570,0:37:53.460
of that sort of thing so it’s it it’s

0:37:52.110,0:37:56.100
just not in the cards for the near

0:37:53.460,0:37:57.930
future but we can always hope that that

0:37:56.100,0:37:59.370
it comes to light and people start

0:37:57.930,0:38:01.410
looking at it in that direction and and

0:37:59.370,0:38:04.700
president Trump is a breath of fresh air

0:38:01.410,0:38:07.020
historically yeah if you look back at

0:38:04.700,0:38:09.030
President Reagan who was also a breath

0:38:07.020,0:38:11.190
of fresh air for his time he was not

0:38:09.030,0:38:13.200
followed up that way and what you had is

0:38:11.190,0:38:16.440
the the RINO movement come in with

0:38:13.200,0:38:18.570
George Bush Daddy and who was that was

0:38:16.440,0:38:20.250
the reason that that Reagan picked him

0:38:18.570,0:38:22.920
as a running mate was to make peace with

0:38:20.250,0:38:24.840
with that element of the Republican

0:38:22.920,0:38:27.990
Party the RINO element of the Republican

0:38:24.840,0:38:29.640
Party and I think you’ve seen now

0:38:27.990,0:38:31.440
President Trump tried to do the same

0:38:29.640,0:38:33.690
thing going through the same process and

0:38:31.440,0:38:36.740
he’s got a vice president who’s similar

0:38:33.690,0:38:39.420
he’s out of that same kind of mainstream

0:38:36.740,0:38:41.520
RINO Republican type they aren’t really

0:38:39.420,0:38:43.110
conservative they’re not really

0:38:41.520,0:38:45.240
necessarily all that liberal either but

0:38:43.110,0:38:47.400
there’s something in the middle and I

0:38:45.240,0:38:50.820
think he’s tried by bringing in Madison

0:38:47.400,0:38:52.170
all of these other people that he tried

0:38:50.820,0:38:53.580
to bring into positions of real

0:38:52.170,0:38:55.560
authority and I think that was him

0:38:53.580,0:38:57.090
reaching out I mean I’m not the first to

0:38:55.560,0:38:58.920
speculate this way but it looks like

0:38:57.090,0:39:00.870
that’s what he was trying to do is make

0:38:58.920,0:39:03.030
peace with all of those factions but

0:39:00.870,0:39:04.260
again unfortunately you know I think

0:39:03.030,0:39:06.150
it’s time the president puts on his

0:39:04.260,0:39:07.530
big-boy pants and figures out that’s

0:39:06.150,0:39:08.670
just not the way the world works she’s

0:39:07.530,0:39:11.760
never gonna make peace with them and

0:39:08.670,0:39:13.140
it’s it’s you either win or you lose and

0:39:11.760,0:39:15.030
if you’re not playing to win then you’re

0:39:13.140,0:39:16.710
gonna lose so he needs to start bringing

0:39:15.030,0:39:19.200
in people that will support his efforts

0:39:16.710,0:39:21.180
and he’s not doing it he’s not drawing

0:39:19.200,0:39:22.950
from the libertarian Christian

0:39:21.180,0:39:27.120
conservative people who are his base

0:39:22.950,0:39:28.980
he’s drawing from others excellent

0:39:27.120,0:39:31.380
excellent analysis there and now and I

0:39:28.980,0:39:33.510
would just use another word for HW who

0:39:31.380,0:39:36.420
is now sensitive partisans we have seen

0:39:33.510,0:39:38.970
each other you know Brad he was a

0:39:36.420,0:39:40.890
globalist and I think that’s always been

0:39:38.970,0:39:43.260
to battle for me I you know in the

0:39:40.890,0:39:45.540
Rhinos of the Rhinos but I think this

0:39:43.260,0:39:47.550
this this attitude has I think a lot of

0:39:45.540,0:39:48.990
people have woken up I’ve woken up and

0:39:47.550,0:39:51.390
you know we’ve really never talked about

0:39:48.990,0:39:54.660
this on the show and we may deal with it

0:39:51.390,0:39:57.780
at a future broadcast but the globalist

0:39:54.660,0:39:59.400
view it’s been a very disillusionment to

0:39:57.780,0:40:00.660
me for a lot of these Republicans that I

0:39:59.400,0:40:02.310
respected through the years and you

0:40:00.660,0:40:04.170
mentioned Reagan I love Reagan died I

0:40:02.310,0:40:06.180
was a young man out of high school

0:40:04.170,0:40:08.810
first first election ever voted in was

0:40:06.180,0:40:11.760
84 and that was his big reelection and

0:40:08.810,0:40:13.800
you know he was my president that’s my

0:40:11.760,0:40:17.070
memory of getting the first time in the

0:40:13.800,0:40:21.180
politics and but there was always

0:40:17.070,0:40:22.680
something I never really understood and

0:40:21.180,0:40:24.540
then as the years of going he would look

0:40:22.680,0:40:27.210
back at some of the things he was doing

0:40:24.540,0:40:29.130
and he got us in this rack war you know

0:40:27.210,0:40:31.290
and then his son got us in the war again

0:40:29.130,0:40:32.730
and o3 and we find out that they’re up

0:40:31.290,0:40:35.040
there wasn’t there there was no

0:40:32.730,0:40:38.010
difference between them and Clinton and

0:40:35.040,0:40:39.360
Obama and all these Democrats that

0:40:38.010,0:40:40.770
they’ve been shaking hands with all

0:40:39.360,0:40:43.140
these years I mean you basically had a

0:40:40.770,0:40:44.790
one-party one part too even though his

0:40:43.140,0:40:46.260
two parties he had one party running the

0:40:44.790,0:40:49.050
country and that was a globalist party

0:40:46.260,0:40:51.330
what Republican or Democrat was these

0:40:49.050,0:40:54.660
freakin swamp people that wanted you

0:40:51.330,0:40:58.559
know this this globalist satanic agenda

0:40:54.660,0:41:01.109
and look I think that’s why Trump is so

0:40:58.559,0:41:03.539
hated the Brad I think that’s part of

0:41:01.109,0:41:05.369
the reason he’s hated because he’s come

0:41:03.539,0:41:07.380
up against this globalism he don’t want

0:41:05.369,0:41:09.900
globalism for America he wants America

0:41:07.380,0:41:11.970
to be her own country he wants America

0:41:09.900,0:41:14.730
to be first he wants America to survive

0:41:11.970,0:41:16.319
on her own and again be sovereign and

0:41:14.730,0:41:18.930
that would go back to the border issue

0:41:16.319,0:41:21.049
that border represents our sovereignty

0:41:18.930,0:41:23.970
when you have a border and you have

0:41:21.049,0:41:25.890
borders on each side north south east

0:41:23.970,0:41:27.990
and west that represents your

0:41:25.890,0:41:29.549
sovereignty that this is my part of the

0:41:27.990,0:41:31.950
country this is my part of the world and

0:41:29.549,0:41:33.720
if you enter these waters you abide by

0:41:31.950,0:41:35.819
our rules we don’t abide by your rules

0:41:33.720,0:41:38.849
and I think that’s what’s been the fight

0:41:35.819,0:41:41.160
and that’s just my two cents for

0:41:38.849,0:41:42.980
whatever that’s worth buddy hey I know

0:41:41.160,0:41:46.619
we got about 10-15 minutes here I got a

0:41:42.980,0:41:48.390
couple of questions for you and curious

0:41:46.619,0:41:50.250
about something that you’ve seen through

0:41:48.390,0:41:53.460
the years Brad it seems that we’ve had a

0:41:50.250,0:41:54.690
lot of what we’ll talk about HW Bush in

0:41:53.460,0:41:57.480
a minute before we close but I do want

0:41:54.690,0:42:00.059
to mention this to you it seems that

0:41:57.480,0:42:01.440
there’s been a this month of January

0:42:00.059,0:42:04.589
President Trump issued an executive

0:42:01.440,0:42:08.089
order is actually issued to you should

0:42:04.589,0:42:10.559
one in December 2017 that anybody found

0:42:08.089,0:42:14.460
you know guilty of sex trafficking their

0:42:10.559,0:42:16.019
assets could be basically seized and

0:42:14.460,0:42:17.400
just a lot of forfeiture and a lot of

0:42:16.019,0:42:19.289
bad things can happen to them but he

0:42:17.400,0:42:21.140
issued another declaration this past

0:42:19.289,0:42:24.089
January or just a few weeks ago that

0:42:21.140,0:42:26.279
January is national takedown sex

0:42:24.089,0:42:28.140
trafficking month and you can’t mention

0:42:26.279,0:42:29.609
sex trafficking without getting to the

0:42:28.140,0:42:32.880
pedophilia and getting into all these

0:42:29.609,0:42:34.890
other rings I’ve seen a number of

0:42:32.880,0:42:36.509
arrests I run a little newspaper here in

0:42:34.890,0:42:39.089
East Tennessee and man I’m telling you

0:42:36.509,0:42:41.609
every single freaking day we have got at

0:42:39.089,0:42:45.390
least at least four five stories a day

0:42:41.609,0:42:47.339
of somebody internationally getting

0:42:45.390,0:42:50.250
arrested or a reign being busted in

0:42:47.339,0:42:51.839
America overseas or whatever I want to

0:42:50.250,0:42:54.180
call in your experience in the CIA

0:42:51.839,0:42:57.390
through the years have you ever seen a

0:42:54.180,0:43:00.480
time and all of your security trips and

0:42:57.390,0:43:03.029
all you’re inside the beltway and inside

0:43:00.480,0:43:05.670
the Washington but also overseas as

0:43:03.029,0:43:07.230
seeing as much pedophilia and sex

0:43:05.670,0:43:08.089
trafficking rings being taken down as

0:43:07.230,0:43:09.979
you’re right now

0:43:08.089,0:43:11.539
and and put that in perspective in your

0:43:09.979,0:43:13.130
travels and some things you’ve maybe

0:43:11.539,0:43:16.910
seen through the years that you saw this

0:43:13.130,0:43:20.900
coming yeah this is running wild now I

0:43:16.910,0:43:23.869
think it’s it’s one of those things that

0:43:20.900,0:43:26.599
much like when under Obama and when he

0:43:23.869,0:43:28.880
kind of stopped his counter-terrorist

0:43:26.599,0:43:31.359
program the the really aggressive act it

0:43:28.880,0:43:34.160
cut out terrorism you saw Isis be

0:43:31.359,0:43:35.689
created and come to fruition I think

0:43:34.160,0:43:37.880
we’ve seen a very similar thing where we

0:43:35.689,0:43:40.579
sort of stopped working against it and

0:43:37.880,0:43:43.729
it’s just really boiled up into a much

0:43:40.579,0:43:45.979
larger problem and you’ve seen a lot of

0:43:43.729,0:43:49.939
elements of the of the Democratic Party

0:43:45.979,0:43:52.699
come to the defense of the pedophilia

0:43:49.939,0:43:55.839
movement if you will and now you see

0:43:52.699,0:44:00.079
protests out with yeah oh it’s nuts and

0:43:55.839,0:44:03.219
you see these signs start to come up in

0:44:00.079,0:44:05.689
posters and so on when they do the LGBTQ

0:44:03.219,0:44:08.180
protest and so on you’ll see the no pedo

0:44:05.689,0:44:10.819
bashing signs and the little rainbow

0:44:08.180,0:44:12.559
things of a posters that you see put up

0:44:10.819,0:44:14.839
where there’s a man holding the hand of

0:44:12.559,0:44:17.749
a little boy and stuff I mean just sick

0:44:14.839,0:44:19.880
stuff and don’t forget the initial man

0:44:17.749,0:44:23.380
and I’ve forgotten his name down but the

0:44:19.880,0:44:27.890
initial man that President Obama picked

0:44:23.380,0:44:30.939
to be the ease R for education education

0:44:27.890,0:44:33.259
czar was a man that was a known

0:44:30.939,0:44:36.499
pedophile coming out of a pedophile or

0:44:33.259,0:44:39.259
organization the there’s a organization

0:44:36.499,0:44:41.119
of that the you know I US man-boy love

0:44:39.259,0:44:43.670
Association or something like that

0:44:41.119,0:44:45.170
I forgot exactly what it’s called but

0:44:43.670,0:44:47.329
that’s where that guy came from and that

0:44:45.170,0:44:50.689
whole organization is to promote the

0:44:47.329,0:44:54.380
values of pedophilia and so it’s it’s

0:44:50.689,0:44:56.089
been something that’s been coming to the

0:44:54.380,0:44:58.339
forefront now because it’s been allowed

0:44:56.089,0:45:00.499
to run unchecked and so this is the

0:44:58.339,0:45:01.969
result that you see and that gets tied

0:45:00.499,0:45:04.429
in with a lot of other things there’s

0:45:01.969,0:45:05.689
some there are some relationships on you

0:45:04.429,0:45:07.519
know they’re a little bit ill-defined

0:45:05.689,0:45:09.890
but there are some relationships there

0:45:07.519,0:45:11.269
between these kidnapping where they

0:45:09.890,0:45:13.459
murder the children to harvest the

0:45:11.269,0:45:16.699
organs for these operations that take

0:45:13.459,0:45:19.489
place overseas and it’s a it’s a very

0:45:16.699,0:45:21.140
dirty awful world that they where they

0:45:19.489,0:45:21.770
do this and now with the laws getting

0:45:21.140,0:45:23.150
tough

0:45:21.770,0:45:24.710
a lot of pedophiles know that they’re

0:45:23.150,0:45:25.820
better off murdering the child after

0:45:24.710,0:45:29.660
they rape them

0:45:25.820,0:45:32.300
to avoid criminal prosecution and of

0:45:29.660,0:45:33.860
course pedophiles in jail don’t tend to

0:45:32.300,0:45:35.870
do well they’re looked down upon and so

0:45:33.860,0:45:40.430
they tend to get beat up and killed in

0:45:35.870,0:45:42.590
jail so it’s it’s it’s it’s just gotten

0:45:40.430,0:45:45.080
but it’s part of this whole philosophy

0:45:42.590,0:45:46.730
of the left I mean what has the country

0:45:45.080,0:45:48.260
come to me just think of this for a

0:45:46.730,0:45:51.290
moment what does it come to where you

0:45:48.260,0:45:55.130
have actual major party in the United

0:45:51.290,0:45:57.380
States defending taking a baby chopping

0:45:55.130,0:45:59.360
it in pieces and selling the body parts

0:45:57.380,0:46:01.640
and getting away with it by calling it

0:45:59.360,0:46:03.500
tissue I mean what is that

0:46:01.640,0:46:05.300
talk about whiskey-tango-foxtrot that’s

0:46:03.500,0:46:07.520
where I really really mean it I mean

0:46:05.300,0:46:09.590
what the hell is wrong with those people

0:46:07.520,0:46:11.420
you’re chopping up a baby and selling

0:46:09.590,0:46:15.410
the parts that’s ghoulish and weird and

0:46:11.420,0:46:16.940
sick and those are our people and you

0:46:15.410,0:46:19.940
know you’ve you’ve killed them and then

0:46:16.940,0:46:22.390
sell the parts III just don’t understand

0:46:19.940,0:46:26.630
it and yes these these things are

0:46:22.390,0:46:28.370
accepted and promoted I think all this

0:46:26.630,0:46:30.020
is why you see it I mean if if you’re

0:46:28.370,0:46:41.000
selling body parts what’s the big deal

0:46:30.020,0:46:42.590
about raping a child and what they do is

0:46:41.000,0:46:44.060
didn’t they kill them or let them freeze

0:46:42.590,0:46:46.610
to death or whatever and they call that

0:46:44.060,0:46:48.350
an abortion and then they then that way

0:46:46.610,0:46:50.780
they get an intact brain which they can

0:46:48.350,0:46:54.650
take out the self they make money off of

0:46:50.780,0:46:56.240
this this is sick those people what we

0:46:54.650,0:46:57.860
need to do is that’s where the death

0:46:56.240,0:47:00.650
penalty should come into play I mean not

0:46:57.860,0:47:05.090
just such an egregious murder of an

0:47:00.650,0:47:07.160
innocent that I we just have to start to

0:47:05.090,0:47:08.540
fight back good people in the world good

0:47:07.160,0:47:10.490
people in the United States have to

0:47:08.540,0:47:12.380
start to stand up to this I mean they

0:47:10.490,0:47:15.620
call you a homophobe or a racist or

0:47:12.380,0:47:17.060
whatever so you know yeah here call me

0:47:15.620,0:47:18.950
whatever you want that still wrong

0:47:17.060,0:47:20.900
there’s right and wrong in this world

0:47:18.950,0:47:22.100
and that one’s wrong and there’s things

0:47:20.900,0:47:24.440
that made to be somewhere in the middle

0:47:22.100,0:47:31.310
but that’s not one of them do you think

0:47:24.440,0:47:33.380
the CIA Brandt over the years see if

0:47:31.310,0:47:35.360
y’all see a lot of this early on has

0:47:33.380,0:47:36.860
this been something that’s been sort of

0:47:35.360,0:47:39.200
exploding when you were out in the field

0:47:36.860,0:47:40.580
did you did you were you aware of some

0:47:39.200,0:47:44.090
of these international rings out there

0:47:40.580,0:47:45.500
in your operative and I don’t you know

0:47:44.090,0:47:47.300
maybe maybe you have it I don’t know but

0:47:45.500,0:47:49.910
I’m just curious how it’s changed from

0:47:47.300,0:47:52.250
the time you are out there in the core

0:47:49.910,0:47:53.750
and the Ground Zero sort of speak as

0:47:52.250,0:47:56.600
compared to what you see now because it

0:47:53.750,0:47:58.100
does seem like this thing is just maybe

0:47:56.600,0:47:59.510
it’s always been going on and maybe it’s

0:47:58.100,0:48:01.670
been sort of under the right or manatee

0:47:59.510,0:48:04.340
or the Lea has been just blown wide open

0:48:01.670,0:48:05.750
on this stuff and the last probably five

0:48:04.340,0:48:07.640
or six years probably the last two or

0:48:05.750,0:48:09.620
three years and I’ll tell you some nasty

0:48:07.640,0:48:11.180
stuff but it’s it’s more prevalent and I

0:48:09.620,0:48:13.550
think I’ve ever seen it ever in our

0:48:11.180,0:48:15.020
country in the world well that’s always

0:48:13.550,0:48:17.600
been there I mean ever even when I

0:48:15.020,0:48:18.890
joined the the agency it was it was

0:48:17.600,0:48:21.320
already in place and we would come

0:48:18.890,0:48:22.760
across bits and pieces of it and back in

0:48:21.320,0:48:24.770
the old days we were allowed to take

0:48:22.760,0:48:27.380
some of that stuff out now nowadays

0:48:24.770,0:48:30.800
we’re we’re we’re just not even allowed

0:48:27.380,0:48:32.900
to work on it so that’s part of the

0:48:30.800,0:48:34.580
reason it’s becoming more to the

0:48:32.900,0:48:37.400
forefront more prevalent is because they

0:48:34.580,0:48:39.140
can get away with it with impunity but

0:48:37.400,0:48:39.980
it’s always been there it’s just more of

0:48:39.140,0:48:42.110
it now

0:48:39.980,0:48:44.270
and a lot of a lot of the problems I

0:48:42.110,0:48:46.070
mean just for example this is just one

0:48:44.270,0:48:49.450
thing but we could go on about just this

0:48:46.070,0:48:52.940
for a very long time but that Levinson

0:48:49.450,0:48:56.300
the man that was a retired FBI that got

0:48:52.940,0:48:58.400
picked up in one of the islands of Iran

0:48:56.300,0:49:00.500
ago by Iran and disappeared and

0:48:58.400,0:49:02.600
presumably he’s dead by now I would

0:49:00.500,0:49:04.400
think he required medication and so on

0:49:02.600,0:49:07.850
so we don’t know but I presume he’s

0:49:04.400,0:49:10.250
passed away that was he was being

0:49:07.850,0:49:11.930
directed by this and this is a perfect

0:49:10.250,0:49:14.510
example of so many of the problems but

0:49:11.930,0:49:16.580
he was being directed by a CIA analyst

0:49:14.510,0:49:19.100
to go out and bring back information and

0:49:16.580,0:49:21.110
he got a cover that he was doing to be

0:49:19.100,0:49:22.970
out there making films and looking for

0:49:21.110,0:49:24.260
filming spots and he went back like

0:49:22.970,0:49:25.850
three or four times trying to collect

0:49:24.260,0:49:28.010
more information using this same cover

0:49:25.850,0:49:29.300
got wrapped up by the Iranians and went

0:49:28.010,0:49:30.350
you know what poof and the night has

0:49:29.300,0:49:33.140
never been heard from again

0:49:30.350,0:49:36.260
sad story but a number of things out of

0:49:33.140,0:49:38.180
that one thing is based on that then the

0:49:36.260,0:49:40.220
cooperation between the CIA and the FBI

0:49:38.180,0:49:41.510
was sharply cut back because they didn’t

0:49:40.220,0:49:43.400
want to see any problems he even vaguely

0:49:41.510,0:49:45.220
related to it now go back to some of the

0:49:43.400,0:49:47.930
other things that I talked about from

0:49:45.220,0:49:49.130
Americans for intelligence reform this

0:49:47.930,0:49:52.130
is the perfect example

0:49:49.130,0:49:54.980
why it’s such a dangerous and stupid

0:49:52.130,0:49:56.990
failure what we saw to take place under

0:49:54.980,0:49:59.089
the Obama administration in previous

0:49:56.990,0:50:02.390
director John Brennan amazingly stupid

0:49:59.089,0:50:05.089
where you take operations and make it

0:50:02.390,0:50:08.450
disappear it no longer exists as an

0:50:05.089,0:50:10.009
organized a department within the CIA

0:50:08.450,0:50:12.380
and basically everything becomes

0:50:10.009,0:50:13.910
everything in one size fits all and now

0:50:12.380,0:50:16.339
the philosophy is that people come and

0:50:13.910,0:50:17.240
go so we just have to plug them in and

0:50:16.339,0:50:19.220
give them you know a little bit of

0:50:17.240,0:50:21.410
training and off they go so you have

0:50:19.220,0:50:24.380
whenever you’ve had analysts running

0:50:21.410,0:50:25.670
operations and and this is by no means a

0:50:24.380,0:50:29.140
criticism of analysts they’re usually

0:50:25.670,0:50:32.299
the smarter person in the room but

0:50:29.140,0:50:34.579
they’re not ops guys you know Ops guys

0:50:32.299,0:50:36.529
do op stuff analysts do analysts stuff

0:50:34.579,0:50:38.750
and while that sounds simplistic and

0:50:36.529,0:50:40.910
silly it’s it’s a it’s a very important

0:50:38.750,0:50:44.210
truth so you have an analyst sitting in

0:50:40.910,0:50:45.829
DC running Levinson and into Iran that

0:50:44.210,0:50:47.180
person doesn’t understand operations

0:50:45.829,0:50:49.099
they don’t understand the risks they’re

0:50:47.180,0:50:50.450
a guy like myself would have never made

0:50:49.099,0:50:52.309
those errors Levinson would be alive

0:50:50.450,0:50:54.410
today if I had been running that

0:50:52.309,0:50:56.180
operation where Levinson is probably

0:50:54.410,0:50:58.910
dead today in the hands of the Iranians

0:50:56.180,0:51:00.470
because it was run by an analyst the

0:50:58.910,0:51:03.230
same thing within coasts where the

0:51:00.470,0:51:06.559
bombing took place where seven I believe

0:51:03.230,0:51:09.470
a seven agency officers were killed and

0:51:06.559,0:51:11.000
I was the base chief there and god bless

0:51:09.470,0:51:12.950
her a patriot

0:51:11.000,0:51:16.130
not a criticism of her it’s a criticism

0:51:12.950,0:51:17.900
of management management sent a an

0:51:16.130,0:51:19.490
analyst there because that was somebody

0:51:17.900,0:51:20.539
who’s very familiar with that they were

0:51:19.490,0:51:23.210
looking they were trying to track down

0:51:20.539,0:51:24.710
Osama bin Laden so you had enhanced

0:51:23.210,0:51:25.970
their running operations well what

0:51:24.710,0:51:28.609
happened they’ll get killed by a bomb

0:51:25.970,0:51:29.390
you know and again it’s it’s operations

0:51:28.609,0:51:31.519
101

0:51:29.390,0:51:33.259
only one person meets with the guy you

0:51:31.519,0:51:35.779
don’t need him standing in a circle a

0:51:33.259,0:51:38.690
semicircle like an academic greeting of

0:51:35.779,0:51:40.279
you know guest professor coming in you

0:51:38.690,0:51:43.279
have a one-on-one meeting you get him

0:51:40.279,0:51:44.839
searched first and and you’d be risking

0:51:43.279,0:51:47.630
local guards which he wouldn’t be

0:51:44.839,0:51:48.829
interested in blowing up so then he

0:51:47.630,0:51:56.450
would go to meeting and meet with one

0:51:48.829,0:51:59.310
person around

0:51:56.450,0:52:00.990
that’s from having analyst run

0:51:59.310,0:52:08.100
operations instead of having an

0:52:00.990,0:52:09.870
Operations cadre which is now gone fight

0:52:08.100,0:52:11.670
back against that stuff so that we can

0:52:09.870,0:52:13.110
protect this country of ours keep it

0:52:11.670,0:52:15.390
strong keep it safe keep our children

0:52:13.110,0:52:17.700
safe my grandchildren and their children

0:52:15.390,0:52:23.730
and you gotta have good intelligence and

0:52:17.700,0:52:25.170
a good military or you’re gonna fail I’m

0:52:23.730,0:52:27.690
glad you gave me that insight and I’m

0:52:25.170,0:52:30.060
glad to hear it and I sort of picked up

0:52:27.690,0:52:31.680
on something you said about how back in

0:52:30.060,0:52:33.480
the day you guys could take this stuff

0:52:31.680,0:52:35.730
out and it’s gotten harder because Brad

0:52:33.480,0:52:37.020
I just think this stuff is so high up in

0:52:35.730,0:52:38.610
the levels of government itself I think

0:52:37.020,0:52:40.230
there’s a lot of people that are hiding

0:52:38.610,0:52:42.660
they don’t want it to come out because

0:52:40.230,0:52:44.930
they they know is gonna reach high high

0:52:42.660,0:52:47.610
up in the church and the government

0:52:44.930,0:52:49.800
education entertainment look if we’re

0:52:47.610,0:52:52.980
seeing that we’re seeing big-name people

0:52:49.800,0:52:54.630
being taken down in this and I don’t

0:52:52.980,0:52:56.070
even think we’ve touched the surface and

0:52:54.630,0:52:59.010
I look I there’s no telling what’s

0:52:56.070,0:53:01.170
coming this year and next before all

0:52:59.010,0:53:02.790
this is over with but I know you have

0:53:01.170,0:53:03.270
fought the good fight against it through

0:53:02.790,0:53:05.460
the years

0:53:03.270,0:53:07.770
hey we’ve got about five minutes I want

0:53:05.460,0:53:11.820
to wrap it up since I seen you last

0:53:07.770,0:53:14.310
we lost forty-one he passed away and I I

0:53:11.820,0:53:15.690
have to ask this question to you and you

0:53:14.310,0:53:19.080
would only get this question on the Mac

0:53:15.690,0:53:20.670
files but why didn’t the hell did you

0:53:19.080,0:53:22.650
stick in that envelope all those

0:53:20.670,0:53:24.990
presidents that made Jim Bush was like

0:53:22.650,0:53:26.370
you’ve seen a ghost and Laura I thought

0:53:24.990,0:53:28.110
maybe you’d give him a Christmas card

0:53:26.370,0:53:31.490
with your picture on it or something but

0:53:28.110,0:53:34.260
I was just curious what the CIA was

0:53:31.490,0:53:35.940
passing out envelopes that Bush’s

0:53:34.260,0:53:38.400
funeral to make Hillary look like she

0:53:35.940,0:53:41.190
had croaked and Biden did tell I was

0:53:38.400,0:53:42.600
curious yeah I don’t know there was a

0:53:41.190,0:53:45.450
lot of strange behavior going on around

0:53:42.600,0:53:47.520
there but I I was busy with my own stuff

0:53:45.450,0:53:50.580
at naptime to message them so it wasn’t

0:53:47.520,0:53:52.200
okay that rumor that it was a Christmas

0:53:50.580,0:53:54.270
card from a judge that is totally false

0:53:52.200,0:53:57.990
right it was just totally false okay I

0:53:54.270,0:53:59.850
just I had to ask that Brad knows he

0:53:57.990,0:54:01.980
gets jazz on my program when he comes on

0:53:59.850,0:54:03.900
here but it’s been pleasure talking to

0:54:01.980,0:54:05.970
you again it’s always a good time and I

0:54:03.900,0:54:07.860
hope this first of many interviews of

0:54:05.970,0:54:09.450
2019 I don’t want to ask you this before

0:54:07.860,0:54:11.849
we close

0:54:09.450,0:54:13.230
predictions for 2019 security filled

0:54:11.849,0:54:16.170
your insecurities American intelligence

0:54:13.230,0:54:17.460
what are some of the top yeah let me ask

0:54:16.170,0:54:21.510
you this way or ask this question this

0:54:17.460,0:54:23.069
way top three threats for 2019 and the

0:54:21.510,0:54:24.809
top three things you see coming in the

0:54:23.069,0:54:27.089
intelligence community this year and

0:54:24.809,0:54:28.410
breakthroughs go ahead and talk talk

0:54:27.089,0:54:30.079
about the threats first and then what

0:54:28.410,0:54:32.579
you see coming from 2019

0:54:30.079,0:54:35.010
okay I think threats I think we’re

0:54:32.579,0:54:37.380
certainly gonna see the the small

0:54:35.010,0:54:40.859
terrorist attacks in the United States a

0:54:37.380,0:54:43.079
you know that’s number of them you know

0:54:40.859,0:54:44.670
I don’t couldn’t guess a an actual

0:54:43.079,0:54:46.290
number but I think the attacks were

0:54:44.670,0:54:48.180
you’re gonna see that guy with a knife

0:54:46.290,0:54:49.799
on the street or the car running over

0:54:48.180,0:54:52.290
people on a bridge and those sorts of

0:54:49.799,0:54:54.059
things those types of terrorist attacks

0:54:52.290,0:54:56.930
I think we’re gonna continue see a

0:54:54.059,0:55:00.900
steady state of those sorts of things I

0:54:56.930,0:55:07.829
think the Chinese are are still

0:55:00.900,0:55:10.140
remaining been so extraordinarily

0:55:07.829,0:55:13.230
effective in that I think you’re going

0:55:10.140,0:55:15.180
to continue to see that the other area I

0:55:13.230,0:55:16.859
think we’ve seen a little bit of Putin

0:55:15.180,0:55:18.569
making some noises he’s starting to have

0:55:16.859,0:55:20.700
some political problems at home for the

0:55:18.569,0:55:22.290
first time in a very long time so I

0:55:20.700,0:55:24.540
think you’re gonna have that he’s gonna

0:55:22.290,0:55:27.569
have to show some saber-rattling

0:55:24.540,0:55:29.849
behavior so I think you’re gonna see him

0:55:27.569,0:55:31.109
trying to impose himself in certain

0:55:29.849,0:55:32.849
areas I don’t know where that would

0:55:31.109,0:55:34.920
spring up around the world but I think

0:55:32.849,0:55:36.839
those are the are kind of the top three

0:55:34.920,0:55:42.299
I see you which I I don’t think that’s a

0:55:36.839,0:55:45.059
huge leap to think that those other

0:55:42.299,0:55:46.470
predictions for 2019 I think all of all

0:55:45.059,0:55:48.359
of what we’re going to see with the

0:55:46.470,0:55:51.599
Muller investigation all of that is

0:55:48.359,0:55:53.700
going to start to really pop out in a

0:55:51.599,0:55:56.790
lot of ways that nobody anticipates and

0:55:53.700,0:55:59.220
I don’t think that that’s that that’s

0:55:56.790,0:56:01.619
something that’s going to be all one way

0:55:59.220,0:56:02.940
for the Democrats I think that there’s

0:56:01.619,0:56:04.710
going to be some things they come out

0:56:02.940,0:56:06.150
with but I think mostly that that’s

0:56:04.710,0:56:07.920
going to blow up in their face you’re

0:56:06.150,0:56:09.990
gonna see the the media the mainstream

0:56:07.920,0:56:10.710
media try to tamp it down and keep it

0:56:09.990,0:56:12.450
under control

0:56:10.710,0:56:14.670
but I think you’re gonna see this really

0:56:12.450,0:56:16.710
really for the most part blow up in

0:56:14.670,0:56:18.270
their face I think there’s a lot of

0:56:16.710,0:56:20.000
things going on in the background I

0:56:18.270,0:56:23.010
think it’s going to lead you back to

0:56:20.000,0:56:24.750
John Brennan and the CIA for

0:56:23.010,0:56:28.260
even the current director of the CIA

0:56:24.750,0:56:30.000
gene Haspel certainly some other

0:56:28.260,0:56:32.190
possibly some other senior people and

0:56:30.000,0:56:36.810
all sorts of government including most

0:56:32.190,0:56:39.840
especially DOJ and FBI so I I there’s a

0:56:36.810,0:56:41.340
lot of problems there that I think we’re

0:56:39.840,0:56:43.320
gonna start to see some documents be

0:56:41.340,0:56:45.390
declassified and starts to come out and

0:56:43.320,0:56:48.030
as those didn’t yet be classified back

0:56:45.390,0:56:50.400
that’s all bad for the Democrats all of

0:56:48.030,0:56:52.710
it so we’ll have to see what molar comes

0:56:50.400,0:56:56.190
up with but I don’t think he’s got much

0:56:52.710,0:56:57.840
or would a leak does everybody’s been so

0:56:56.190,0:56:59.820
that’s my I would say that’s my

0:56:57.840,0:57:04.920
prediction from 2019 we’ll see how I do

0:56:59.820,0:57:06.510
we’ll talk next year this time we’re

0:57:04.920,0:57:08.580
gonna have you on for next year dress me

0:57:06.510,0:57:10.470
me it’s our to the back files this year

0:57:08.580,0:57:12.450
not like I always appreciate you coming

0:57:10.470,0:57:13.650
on buddy and I consider your friend I’m

0:57:12.450,0:57:15.330
just glad you’re back with your trip

0:57:13.650,0:57:17.490
it’s good to see it really is I mean

0:57:15.330,0:57:19.740
that and a great show again as always

0:57:17.490,0:57:21.480
and we appreciate your brand Brad real

0:57:19.740,0:57:23.160
quick tell everybody before we sign off

0:57:21.480,0:57:27.000
your website because you’ve got a great

0:57:23.160,0:57:30.060
website and Brad was on Oh a in this

0:57:27.000,0:57:31.350
past week and he’s been talking to

0:57:30.060,0:57:33.180
different network so you don’t get the

0:57:31.350,0:57:34.470
same kind of nice treat me to get over

0:57:33.180,0:57:36.240
there like he does here on the Mac files

0:57:34.470,0:57:38.609
we don’t we don’t make him fit make a

0:57:36.240,0:57:40.260
phone and they can sit a certain way we

0:57:38.609,0:57:41.790
just say hey meaning take a camera

0:57:40.260,0:57:44.070
outside will do it for you late we don’t

0:57:41.790,0:57:45.119
care but seriously though hey tell

0:57:44.070,0:57:46.320
everybody about your website though

0:57:45.119,0:57:49.850
where they can reach you and find you on

0:57:46.320,0:57:51.960
the internet all right sure yeah I am

0:57:49.850,0:57:54.980
the president of Americans for

0:57:51.960,0:57:59.970
intelligence reform and the website is

0:57:54.980,0:58:04.980
Intel reformed org and also on Twitter

0:57:59.970,0:58:07.980
and YouTube and I’m now a regular on one

0:58:04.980,0:58:10.470
American news network Oh a n and which

0:58:07.980,0:58:13.890
is a cable news network nationwide cable

0:58:10.470,0:58:17.480
news network and then I’m also columnist

0:58:13.890,0:58:20.430
now for the epoch time so I do regular

0:58:17.480,0:58:23.220
written op eds there and the occasional

0:58:20.430,0:58:26.040
news piece type where they’re recording

0:58:23.220,0:58:27.600
video recording news pieces so stand

0:58:26.040,0:58:29.940
busy out of trouble trying to do good

0:58:27.600,0:58:32.430
work okay sounds good

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he he don’t have his famous bookcase

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behind him today but I can’t jazz him

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about Elvis being behind there but

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today we’re gonna see what’s behind that

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bookcase I’m sure he’s it open that door

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up but seriously it’s good to have you

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buddy we’ve been talking with Brad

0:58:43.210,0:58:47.410
Johnson a former CIA operative and a

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very great Patriot for our country then

0:58:47.410,0:58:50.920
he spent his life protecting this nation

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and we respect that with respect to

0:58:50.920,0:58:54.520
service but we respect his insight too

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and it’s always a pleasure to have him

0:58:54.520,0:58:59.020
here and we’re gonna have my own a lot

0:58:56.350,0:59:00.670
more this year I’m I’m gonna take up on

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this Mueller thing I think you’re right

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I think you hit on some great points

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there and I think we’re gonna be talking

0:59:03.970,0:59:08.170
a lot about that together as we move

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forward into 2019 we’ll probably have a

0:59:08.170,0:59:11.860
bout of 20 well might have 20 or 30

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shows all just don’t let that one

0:59:11.860,0:59:15.610
subject what’s coming but we’ll have to

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wait and see thank you so much Brad

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thank you out there for listening

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tonight god bless you god bless your

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families we end this show

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every single night the same way folks

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god bless this great nation of America

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pray for our president

0:59:24.670,0:59:28.450
pray for Brad pray for his work we

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appreciate him and we are just real

0:59:28.450,0:59:32.320
proud that he’s getting out there on the

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OE N and the other things and follow him

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as well and let him know you heard him

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on the Mac files he’ll appreciate that

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as well good night everybody til next

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time you’ve been listening to crisp it

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all Brad Johnson again tonight and good

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to have you buddy god bless you guys out

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there till next time see you later good

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night everybody

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