Interview with Barry Webb, retired NSA Arabist, author and senior fellow at AIR

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all the information that I would like

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all the information that I would like

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all the information that I would like
out in one interview but I definitely

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out in one interview but I definitely

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out in one interview but I definitely
would like to start with some really

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would like to start with some really

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would like to start with some really
focused questions like the first one is

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you

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic
sharia laws that is a threat to the west

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you know the Roman Empire also had s

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you know the Roman Empire also had s

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you know the Roman Empire also had s
colossal religion and the both of these

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colossal religion and the both of these

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colossal religion and the both of these
religions were Universalist and they

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religions were Universalist and they

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religions were Universalist and they
were fighting aim

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forwarded today what

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forwarded today what

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forwarded today what
you sink I mean let’s talk about these

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you sink I mean let’s talk about these

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you sink I mean let’s talk about these
institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood

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institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood

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institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood
and care and

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of
these groups really have the origins in

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these groups really have the origins in

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these groups really have the origins in
the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then

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the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then

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the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then
again their belief is Trio steps at the

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again their belief is Trio steps at the

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again their belief is Trio steps at the
Caliphate and to eventually take over

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Caliphate and to eventually take over

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Caliphate and to eventually take over
the whole world

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would you be able to name some of the

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would you be able to name some of the

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would you be able to name some of the
groups that are operating in the United

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groups that are operating in the United

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groups that are operating in the United
States and perhaps Canada which are

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States and perhaps Canada which are

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States and perhaps Canada which are
Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay

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Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay

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Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay
when you

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whose limbs from Pakistan India

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whose limbs from Pakistan India

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whose limbs from Pakistan India
Bangladesh etc and they had kind of

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Bangladesh etc and they had kind of

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Bangladesh etc and they had kind of
their own origin in terms of radicalized

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locked up on secret evidence and we say

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locked up on secret evidence and we say

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locked up on secret evidence and we say
to y’all hang in there hang in there and

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to y’all hang in there hang in there and

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to y’all hang in there hang in there and
we will continue to make do a free

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y’all go back and get to work we will

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y’all go back and get to work we will

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y’all go back and get to work we will
end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so

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end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so

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end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so
you will repeat after me and sha Allah

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you will repeat after me and sha Allah

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you will repeat after me and sha Allah
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and I will die to establish this long

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and I will die to establish this long

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and I will die to establish this long
assalamu alaikum

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primarily I’m there were some of the

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primarily I’m there were some of the

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primarily I’m there were some of the
other gold states

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other gold states

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other gold states
you know wallets are kicking in but when

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you know wallets are kicking in but when

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you know wallets are kicking in but when
9/11 happens

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amount of truth to that because crystal

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amount of truth to that because crystal

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amount of truth to that because crystal
I am from hobby religion in Saudi

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I am from hobby religion in Saudi

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I am from hobby religion in Saudi
Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals

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Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals

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Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals
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oh there’s oil money this wealth and

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oh there’s oil money this wealth and

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oh there’s oil money this wealth and
they’re kind of modern eiseley built you

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they’re kind of modern eiseley built you

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they’re kind of modern eiseley built you
know school high schools and colleges

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know school high schools and colleges

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know school high schools and colleges
universities but they have no teachers

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universities but they have no teachers

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universities but they have no teachers
to staff these positions so all of a

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to staff these positions so all of a

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to staff these positions so all of a
sudden they’re flooded with these

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sudden they’re flooded with these

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sudden they’re flooded with these
well-educated Egyptians these boots

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well-educated Egyptians these boots

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well-educated Egyptians these boots
speak Arabic and have you know and

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speak Arabic and have you know and

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speak Arabic and have you know and
adhere to a similar ideology and so they

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adhere to a similar ideology and so they

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adhere to a similar ideology and so they
put all of these Brotherhood people in

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put all of these Brotherhood people in

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put all of these Brotherhood people in
into positions of Yemen

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be
the brother of saya the coulomb right

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the brother of saya the coulomb right

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the brother of saya the coulomb right
the the author of milestones

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there’s a special honorable mention in

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there’s a special honorable mention in

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there’s a special honorable mention in
this because they control so many

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this because they control so many

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this because they control so many
universities in ways people wouldn’t

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universities in ways people wouldn’t

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universities in ways people wouldn’t
imagine and big budgets too but what you

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imagine and big budgets too but what you

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imagine and big budgets too but what you
but it’s a fair to say that these

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but it’s a fair to say that these

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but it’s a fair to say that these
organizations all are their their prime

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organizations all are their their prime

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organizations all are their their prime
and one and single focus is

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thousand and four it was it was captured

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thousand and four it was it was captured

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thousand and four it was it was captured
by the by the FBI raided a safe house

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by the by the FBI raided a safe house

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by the by the FBI raided a safe house
they picked up these documents and then

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they picked up these documents and then

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they picked up these documents and then
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Oh big yeah well that’s another another

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Oh big yeah well that’s another another

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Oh big yeah well that’s another another
phrase then and the end to destroy their

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phrase then and the end to destroy their

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phrase then and the end to destroy their
miserable house yeah yeah a lot of

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miserable house yeah yeah a lot of

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miserable house yeah yeah a lot of
respect there so

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Enda and that you had mentioned that

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Enda and that you had mentioned that

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Enda and that you had mentioned that
they had gotten together with the

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they had gotten together with the

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they had gotten together with the
Islamic state and had received you know

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Islamic state and had received you know

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Islamic state and had received you know
both weapons and training

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top 20 economies you know the countries

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top 20 economies you know the countries

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top 20 economies you know the countries
we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a

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we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a

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we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a
lot of antiphon over there

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those countries whether Islamist or

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those countries whether Islamist or

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those countries whether Islamist or
socialist there were a lot of secular

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socialist there were a lot of secular

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socialist there were a lot of secular
socialist at that time too in those

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socialist at that time too in those

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socialist at that time too in those
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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked

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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked

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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked
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up the financing for the Muslim

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up the financing for the Muslim
Brotherhood and again you’re you’re

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Brotherhood and again you’re you’re

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Brotherhood and again you’re you’re
talking about common enemies because

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we were through and these arab states

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we were through and these arab states

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we were through and these arab states
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for the given independence they didn’t

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for the given independence they didn’t
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tell tuesdaya young as long as

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tell tuesdaya young as long as
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governments they adopted pro-soviet

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governments they adopted pro-soviet
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quasi socialist secular governments

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quasi socialist secular governments
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because they still associated that with

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because they still associated that with

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because they still associated that with
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colonialism so the Muslim Brotherhood

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colonialism so the Muslim Brotherhood
came out with the Third Way

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating
a little here but it would seem to me

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a little here but it would seem to me

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a little here but it would seem to me
that we could look at Iran as being

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first of all the rumor is that

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first of all the rumor is that

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first of all the rumor is that
al-jazeera English is radically

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al-jazeera English is radically

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al-jazeera English is radically
different than al Jazeera Arabic is that

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different than al Jazeera Arabic is that

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different than al Jazeera Arabic is that
right this program never really hurt

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and they’re reducing this to

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and they’re reducing this to

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and they’re reducing this to
indoctrinate them in you know like Islam

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indoctrinate them in you know like Islam

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indoctrinate them in you know like Islam
it’s really a peaceful religion you know

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it’s really a peaceful religion you know

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it’s really a peaceful religion you know
and support us and all this kind of

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and support us and all this kind of

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and support us and all this kind of
stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway

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stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway

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stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway
toward okay towards getting them into

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toward okay towards getting them into

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toward okay towards getting them into
mosque will look at a different message

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mosque will look at a different message

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mosque will look at a different message
no doubt

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each other that Islam is

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each other that Islam is

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each other that Islam is
a tolerant religion the sum is that word

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a tolerant religion the sum is that word

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a tolerant religion the sum is that word
Everett for toleration and it says if

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Everett for toleration and it says if

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Everett for toleration and it says if
they’re trying to convince each other

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they’re trying to convince each other

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they’re trying to convince each other
that it really is a tolerant religion

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that it really is a tolerant religion

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that it really is a tolerant religion
but then when you read the con and you

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but then when you read the con and you

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but then when you read the con and you
read the you know there’s llama

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read the you know there’s llama

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read the you know there’s llama
jurisprudence you know I have a

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jurisprudence you know I have a

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jurisprudence you know I have a
completely different story so I think

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completely different story so I think

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completely different story so I think
that you the question is it again

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that you the question is it again

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that you the question is it again
because what they say on the newscast

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because what they say on the newscast

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because what they say on the newscast
they know that

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a
guest in that might take a hard line but

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guest in that might take a hard line but

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guest in that might take a hard line but
the real the real Q is to us what

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the real the real Q is to us what

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the real the real Q is to us what
they’re saying in the mosque

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towards that right after 9/11 but this

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towards that right after 9/11 but this

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towards that right after 9/11 but this
just there’s been a lot of pushback

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just there’s been a lot of pushback

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just there’s been a lot of pushback
because you know violation and freedom

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because you know violation and freedom

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because you know violation and freedom
of

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just
had I just had the ugly as for Russia

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care
in Estonia groups complained to the a

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in Estonia groups complained to the a

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in Estonia groups complained to the a
Bama Menace administration that about

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Bama Menace administration that about

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Bama Menace administration that about
the way counterterrorism was being

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the way counterterrorism was being

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the way counterterrorism was being
tucked and they demanded that all

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tucked and they demanded that all

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tucked and they demanded that all
mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism

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mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism

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mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism
any connection with any form of

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any connection with any form of

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any connection with any form of
terrorism with any form of the word

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terrorism with any form of the word

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terrorism with any form of the word
Islam Muslim had to be deleted from

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was
in on this we’re committing treason okay

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in on this we’re committing treason okay

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in on this we’re committing treason okay
they could not have done this without

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you know I think a state because the end

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you know I think a state because the end

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you know I think a state because the end
FBI could not connect the dots when you

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FBI could not connect the dots when you

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FBI could not connect the dots when you
even the dots were a race so how can you

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even the dots were a race so how can you

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even the dots were a race so how can you
connect up

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tires Supper I think a session with you

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tires Supper I think a session with you

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tires Supper I think a session with you
here just talking about the sent the

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here just talking about the sent the

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here just talking about the sent the
countering violent extremism strategy

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countering violent extremism strategy

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countering violent extremism strategy
which I think was the

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