Weekly update by Barry Webb, retired NSA Arabist, author, senior fellow at AIR, origins of Islam

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Barry web it is June the second and this

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is our weekly oddities and peculiarities

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of Islam that people really ought to

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know you know what what have you gotten

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what have you got for us tonight

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well the main topic tonight is the

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opening surah of the Quran that you

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serve will fat Thank You file gives a

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lot of controversy as to whether that is

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by benign or whether it is really

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antagonistic towards Jews and Christians

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now before I get into that I want to

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explain the difference between the

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quote/unquote revelations that Muhammad

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got in Mecca which formed the earliest

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part of the Quran and the quote-unquote

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revelations he got when he went up to

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Medina which are much more militant and

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approach jihad what not the sort the

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reason there is a different stairs

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because well for one thing when he was

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in Mecca he didn’t have any political or

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military power

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so jihad at that time was just jihad to

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the tongue jiya to the sand they call it

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and the early verses in the Quran with

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the so-called Mecca verses are very

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benign and orig like Christianity I mean

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Jesus Christ could be saying a lot of

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the things that that are in there except

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for a couple passages that reference sex

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slavery but there was under the anti Jew

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or anti-christmas

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and in fact those early verses of the

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Quran are very complimentary of the Jews

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and the Christians and this surah

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al-fatihah

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which is the first the opening chapter

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of the quran was supposedly revealed at

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that time now in 620 a day when Muhammad

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was still in Mecca is what the first

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wife Khadija who he had been very

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faithful to up

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at that point died and his uncle

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Paulette who had basically raised him

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also died and these two individual but

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she was a business woman that actually

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supported him right as a matter of fact

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when he became a page in the 590

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sometime he began working for her and as

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a current Caravan driver and a

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businessman and he traveled you know

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between a rate between Mecca and Syria

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and back and forth and all that and

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apparently did very well was sujith

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figures and all that stuff and she was

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like 15 years older than he was and she

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actually made the proposal by going to

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his uncle uncle pilot who was his

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guardian at the time and to make the

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ransoms for a marriage and to get a

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little more background suddenly

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understand the Prime Minister of France

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so much better go back to Muhammad’s

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birth his father died before he was born

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and so when he was born his mother was

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basically became a single mom and she

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apparently felt she couldn’t raise him

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you know in that situation she was in

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so she affirmed him out to a Bedouin

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family or he’d spent his first five

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years and then it was after that that

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his uncle Paul AB brought him back to

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Mecca and adopted him as you know as his

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adopted son went and then raised him

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with his family but people wonder okay

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why didn’t he ever after he came back

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you know why didn’t he ever get back you

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know with his mother or whatnot that

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never happened and a theory that some

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psychologists have is that he well he

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resented his mother and he also missed

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the mother image and so when this you

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know his employer his boss that was 15

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years older he was like 40 when he was

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25 you know made the deal for the

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marriage you know he was it was like his

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my

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figure like a French president macaron

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so anyway that was that situation and

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for whatever reason he seems to at least

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based on the Arabic sources that we have

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he was faithful to her up and tell her

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her death now so we have these two main

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figures in his life his wife Khadijah

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and his uncle Paul Ned but they both

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died and they were both very powerful

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figures in the core age tribe so by

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losing them both he also lost tribal

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protection so to speak and then he had

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this you know he already you were

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starting the strange monotheistic

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religion so you know the stories that we

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get from Muslims are that he was almost

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kicked out that they were being you know

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persecuted and whatnot anyway he moves

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up to Medina which was controlled by

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three Jewish tribes at the time that was

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called yeah three at the time right

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there was what was the answer yeah yeah

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it was Arabic pronunciation that in the

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Babylonian and Assyrian sources they

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call the death trip ooh but but Medina

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was the name of the place after Mohammed

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reconquered and got famous right yeah

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yeah was reason for that

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anyway we first got there and he brought

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hundred or two hundred people with him

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you know that were his followers sources

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are unclear as to how many but anyway

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they were get this accepted welcomed as

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refugees okay so at least they settle

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down and everything’s fine you know for

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a couple of years and then he uses

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divide-and-conquer to to get tail on

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these Jewish tribes first one and then

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he picks them out of the city and then

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he has a vision saying about this other

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pride that they’re going to drop a brick

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on his head or something it’s already

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goes after them and convinces the third

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tribe that is an argument with them it’s

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just you know this bending that banwen

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audre guys and so he won’t stay on them

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and he picks them of course takes all

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the belongings you know you know before

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and go and he’s down – one more one more

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tribe which he be seeds is them and they

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think this is the yeah bandwidth chorus

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huh

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they think that well feat surrender

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least we can escape with our lives like

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the other tribes did but not this time

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this time he marks them all down to the

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plaza of the town and hey yet his guys

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did a big trench and then they selected

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all of the males that were old enough to

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have grown pubic hair and marks them to

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the edge of the trench and beasts

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beheaded every single one of them in

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front of their wives mothers sisters

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daughters etc then the women who

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survived were course were taken slaves

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and so this is where the sanctification

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of beheading comes from and the

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sanctification of taking sex slaves

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comes from a permit so I bought the

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sanctification of genocide I imagine

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yeah yeah and in fact actually it’s a

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sacrament because again chapter 33 verse

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21 of the currents commands Muslims to

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imitate Muhammad that he’s the best

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example from all mankind you know you

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should all follow him and as long as

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you’re as prudence goes into even more

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detail so by doing what Muhammad did

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you’re performing a sacrament you’re

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getting pretty good you know more

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goodies in heaven Muhammad was was

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eventually poisoned by one of the wives

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he took from the banneker eyes aright

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that’s one of the theories yeah it’ll be

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great if they followed that example but

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anyway that’s the beginning of his

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dictatorial control over Medina and

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that’s what he changed any establishes

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on Islamic state in in Yathrib and he

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changed it to Medina because the word

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Medina originally an old Arabic and also

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in Hebrew meant state not City even so

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it was the state that he had

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for him that’s why it’s called Medina on

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nowadays mid the word Medina in Arabic

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means just acidity back then in Memphis

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states only way that’s beginning of a

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state the beginning of his dictatorial

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powers and you know power corrupts and

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absolute power corrupts absolutely and

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from that time on he seems to have gone

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psychotic and that’s when all of the you

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know the jihad propaganda and the rating

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of caravans the beheading of of enemies

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and and under you jus hate and Christian

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hey starts coming in then yeah so that’s

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the difference that’s why the Mecca

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verses are mild and benign and then

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there’s this big change when he goes to

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Medina they become more militant and

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antagonistic towards the Jews Christians

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and all that okay now let’s go back to

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the sort of fact afar it was supposedly

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revealed early in the Mecca period and

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if you read it just for the meaning of

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the words themselves

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it is very benign in fact it’s basically

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a paraphrasing of the Christian Lord’s

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Prayer which in turn is a paraphrasing

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of a prayer that that I preached to this

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Babylonian High Priest is made it out of

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goopy prayed to the moon God to have him

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protect her son and prevent him from

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trespassing and that kind of stuff all

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three of these prayers have a similar

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formula in that first of all you start

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with you know you dial up God you

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acknowledge his greatness and all this

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stuff and knowledge that he has dominion

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over kingship and the world and all this

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stuff and then you thank him for

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whatever favors he’s given you or might

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give you in the future and then you

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present your petition whether it’s

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guided my son from sin and from

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trespassing or guide us so we cross past

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not or like in Islam the saw repentant

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guide us on the straight path the path

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that you are very pleased with and that

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not the path of the people with your mad

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answer straight very simple brain benign

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so it’s basically like calling technical

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support right

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but apparently sometime after he had

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been in Medina I think towards the end

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of his life someone asked him well who

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are what is this 7th verse of the fatiha

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what does that refer to what who are

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these people that that Allah is angry at

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and who are these people that that went

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astray and then the answer man at that

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time was the Jews and the Christians and

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I think reflects the change in thinking

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that he had between when he first

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uttered that surah or gave it to his

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followers and towards the end of his

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life after he had become psychotic and a

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mango maniac and happy header and

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whatnot

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so I hope that that can explains things

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for people so here I think something

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that you know what its basics but I

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really think that for the newly red pill

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that call what I call red pill cadets I

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think that it’s important that people

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understand the concept of abrogation you

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know it’s actually written in the Quran

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itself if you read it the whole the

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little thing about abrogation so I mean

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you know maybe if you can explain why

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it’s out of order that it is out of

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order and the importance of the order

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based on abrogation okay first of all a

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lot of people when they if I picked up

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on Quran out of nowhere and start

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reading it they think that you know so

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to think that the invert the chapters

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that you see at the beginning of the

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Quran or the ones that were real

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revealed first the ones at the end were

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the ones that were revealed towards the

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end of his life and if that’s not true

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it’s all things all mixed up but in

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general so the it’s like it’s shortest

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to longest or longest to shortest or

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something yes yes with the exception of

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the sir they’re sort of fanciful which

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is only seven verses that’s but that’s

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kind of like say like a prayer and a son

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that the Muslims are supposed to say

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before they utter any other portion of

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the Quran so even if you’re reading the

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67th chapter you’re supposed to begin

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with a certain event you know kind of as

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a prayer to set the mood and then then

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you go on if you’re reading now longer

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ones at the beginning of the shorter

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ones at the end and in general it’s the

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longer ones towards the beginning that

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are the Medina verses that tend to be

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the more violent and more pro jihad the

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shorter verses towards the end

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tend to be that’s where most of the that

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you might Commerce’s are and they tend

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to be more raw benign now yes there are

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three verses in the Quran that basically

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say that all I have the ability isn’t in

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lucema throat all I has the ability to

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abrogate or negate any verse that he

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wants to and replace it with another one

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just like it or one that’s better so in

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other words whenever there is a

0:14:26.070,0:14:32.190
contradiction between the early Mecca

0:14:28.680,0:14:34.290
verses and the later Medina verses the

0:14:32.190,0:14:38.280
later Medina verses are going to

0:14:34.290,0:14:42.870
abrogate they are cancel out the earlier

0:14:38.280,0:14:46.320
Mecca verses and so this is why all of

0:14:42.870,0:14:49.740
these be jihad verses and the jew-hating

0:14:46.320,0:14:54.750
verses abrogate all of the benign stuff

0:14:49.740,0:14:57.150
that we see in the Mecca verses and yet

0:14:54.750,0:14:58.770
this is pretty critical to get that it’s

0:14:57.150,0:15:02.400
pretty critical to get that abrogation

0:14:58.770,0:15:03.840
thing so okay allow me to now and again

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I find myself in a position where I have

0:15:03.840,0:15:09.510
to explain this to somebody so correct

0:15:07.080,0:15:12.680
me if I’ve got this wrong but this is

0:15:09.510,0:15:15.090
how I usually put it to people that

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Mohammad made this stuff up as he went

0:15:15.090,0:15:21.060
along in order to get people to fight to

0:15:18.360,0:15:22.920
rob caravans and fight other nations and

0:15:21.060,0:15:26.280
take over and robbed raped steal and

0:15:22.920,0:15:28.500
kill for and die for and he would make

0:15:26.280,0:15:31.830
this stuff up as circumstances required

0:15:28.500,0:15:33.880
and people I think somebody one of his

0:15:31.830,0:15:36.310
own people sort of

0:15:33.880,0:15:38.560
saying wait last week you said this and

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now you’re saying that how does that

0:15:38.560,0:15:44.020
work and he said give me a minute on

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that and then came back and said don’t

0:15:44.020,0:15:49.750
you know that Allah reveals things to

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all as you need to know like in other

0:15:49.750,0:15:55.510
words this is a need-to-know basis and

0:15:51.880,0:15:56.920
you will be in revealed it will be

0:15:55.510,0:15:58.810
revealed to you what you need to know

0:15:56.920,0:16:01.050
when you need to know it and anything

0:15:58.810,0:16:04.510
that said on a certain subject will

0:16:01.050,0:16:06.610
abrogate or negate us anything iswhat

0:16:04.510,0:16:10.180
that was revealed earlier on the same

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subject so don’t you know Alice knows

0:16:10.180,0:16:13.570
what’s good for everybody

0:16:11.740,0:16:15.910
again like calling technical sports you

0:16:13.570,0:16:19.810
got to start out with dial it up with a

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with some praise and then and an end

0:16:19.810,0:16:26.410
with something nice middle so is that

0:16:25.120,0:16:29.230
about right or what do I have wrong

0:16:26.410,0:16:32.770
there yeah um well actually good a lot

0:16:29.230,0:16:35.950
of the con particularly the benign you

0:16:32.770,0:16:38.680
know Mecca verses were actually taken

0:16:35.950,0:16:43.870
out of right out of different forms of

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Christianity and or Judaism but like you

0:16:43.870,0:16:50.470
say then when he found need for more

0:16:48.700,0:16:53.500
militant verses then he would have these

0:16:50.470,0:16:55.330
visions that would support you get these

0:16:53.500,0:16:58.750
revelations that would support the new

0:16:55.330,0:17:00.900
circumstance and and they saw the

0:16:58.750,0:17:03.610
abrogation verses come in handy now you

0:17:00.900,0:17:06.250
also brought up a very good point I want

0:17:03.610,0:17:10.060
to drill in a little bit more modern

0:17:06.250,0:17:13.560
Imams when they ask each other or are

0:17:10.060,0:17:15.970
asked by you know their true believers

0:17:13.560,0:17:19.060
you know why do we have this abrogation

0:17:15.970,0:17:23.079
why if if you know all these benign

0:17:19.060,0:17:26.170
verses earlier verses were abrogated why

0:17:23.079,0:17:29.830
are they still in the Quran and the

0:17:26.170,0:17:33.520
answer is there well as two answers is

0:17:29.830,0:17:37.180
first I had Allah revealed the entire

0:17:33.520,0:17:39.160
Quran to Muhammad all at once being the

0:17:37.180,0:17:41.800
nice guy he was he would have rejected

0:17:39.160,0:17:46.180
it and the same logic holds true today

0:17:41.800,0:17:47.200
that when they’re trying to recruit or

0:17:46.180,0:17:49.840
convert

0:17:47.200,0:17:52.600
someone into Islam they can’t give them

0:17:49.840,0:17:54.940
the whole thing so they pick out on some

0:17:52.600,0:17:57.039
of these all these benign verses see

0:17:54.940,0:17:59.499
this is what the Quran says I see it’s

0:17:57.039,0:18:01.869
just like Christianity my favorite one

0:17:59.499,0:18:03.850
my favorite deception like that is where

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they say and it’s the one I used to hear

0:18:03.850,0:18:06.999
the most commonly but today I don’t

0:18:05.590,0:18:07.359
think they pull that one as much as they

0:18:06.999,0:18:10.840
used to

0:18:07.359,0:18:12.909
it’s where they say if you if you if you

0:18:10.840,0:18:14.950
if you kill a person it’s like you’ve

0:18:12.909,0:18:17.109
killed all of humanity and if you save a

0:18:14.950,0:18:18.700
person is where you saved all of

0:18:17.109,0:18:21.039
humanity but they don’t read the verse

0:18:18.700,0:18:23.619
immediately before and after that where

0:18:21.039,0:18:27.009
it says it was revealed to the Jews that

0:18:23.619,0:18:28.929
ask you yes meaning that if that if that

0:18:27.009,0:18:30.460
you save a Muslim it’s like they saved

0:18:28.929,0:18:32.440
all humanity but if they kill a Muslim

0:18:30.460,0:18:35.259
it’s like they’ve killed all mankind and

0:18:32.440,0:18:37.570
then it follows by saying that any any

0:18:35.259,0:18:39.909
Jew who does these things should be I

0:18:37.570,0:18:42.909
don’t know have their arms and legs cut

0:18:39.909,0:18:44.230
from opposite sides and crucified and

0:18:42.909,0:18:48.489
that burned on the surface of a hot

0:18:44.230,0:18:50.440
knife or something so yeah it’s it’s one

0:18:48.489,0:18:52.570
of the tricks they do is they get that

0:18:50.440,0:18:56.799
little bit which they stole from the

0:18:52.570,0:18:59.350
Jerusalem Talmud way the Colts that

0:18:56.799,0:19:03.309
worked throughout history is that you’ve

0:18:59.350,0:19:04.899
got these different levels and when you

0:19:03.309,0:19:06.549
bring someone in you just give them a

0:19:04.899,0:19:08.350
little bit of the knowledge of the cult

0:19:06.549,0:19:10.029
and then after they jump through certain

0:19:08.350,0:19:11.739
hoops you get a little more knowledge

0:19:10.029,0:19:13.359
they jump through more hoops and to keep

0:19:11.739,0:19:13.840
on going until they get to the highest

0:19:13.359,0:19:16.720
level

0:19:13.840,0:19:19.299
so Islam works the same way you real

0:19:16.720,0:19:20.859
people in with these real benign verses

0:19:19.299,0:19:23.649
and then once they’ve made this

0:19:20.859,0:19:25.509
commitment to Islam and to Allah and

0:19:23.649,0:19:27.789
they believe that they’ve really come to

0:19:25.509,0:19:30.580
believe that Muhammad was you know God’s

0:19:27.789,0:19:31.809
prophet and you start giving them a

0:19:30.580,0:19:34.389
little bit more with you know more

0:19:31.809,0:19:37.059
militant verses and keep reeling them in

0:19:34.389,0:19:39.639
and then when you really have them

0:19:37.059,0:19:42.489
hooked you can start giving them some of

0:19:39.639,0:19:44.470
the hadith sin and the dis llama

0:19:42.489,0:19:47.649
jurisprudence books what really gets

0:19:44.470,0:19:48.340
heavy so it’s kind of like a bait and

0:19:47.649,0:19:51.609
switch

0:19:48.340,0:19:52.299
operation and that’s the kindest thing

0:19:51.609,0:19:54.639
about Islam

0:19:52.299,0:19:56.889
thank you very much Barry Webb for

0:19:54.639,0:19:58.390
taking your time out again on a Sunday

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night and

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we’ll see you on Tuesday for the next

0:20:00.580,0:20:04.770
news for the new news Tuesday

0:20:33.320,0:20:36.420
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