Origins and oddities of Islam for June 14, 2019 by Barry Webb retired NSA Arabist, author and senior fellow at Americans for Intelligence Reform.

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Barry Webb we are on Thursday it is June

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13th 2009 teen and this is our weekly

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session on the oddities and

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peculiarities of the origins of Islam

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what have you got for us this week okay

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I wanted to tell the audience of five

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pillars of Islam which is you know kind

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of very basic for even oh yeah the most

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moderate Muslim there is and compare

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that with what they call the five

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commandments of Islam okay rather so

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first of all the five pillars you have

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the shot and the slap and there’s a cat

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and the summer Ramadan and the heights

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of the bait these are okay the Shahada

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is means to bear witness and that’s

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that’s when you say la ilaha illallah

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muhammadu Souter hood there is no god

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but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger

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now to become a Muslim all you need to

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do is to walk into a mosque and say that

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to the Imam and your Muslim you don’t

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know jack about their religion at all

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but your Muslim if you could do that and

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then the salat means to pray five times

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a day to Mecca now I find this very

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interesting because the I’ve read the

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Quran dozens and dozens of times front

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to back and never know where does it say

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to pray five times a day that just has

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to pray three three times a day okay but

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in the Islamic books of Islamic

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jurisprudence Sharia law then every

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Muslim is commanded to pray five times a

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day and at each parade car it’s prayer

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calls about half an hour and if you miss

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one of those calls or even if you get up

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from you know stop praying a minute or

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even a second before the pray call is

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supposed to be finished

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if you shortchanging from one of those

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prey calls you are instantly an apostate

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which means you should be killed so the

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funny thing you know where did they get

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that the five times a day they are

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praying five times a day they got from

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the Persian Bazaar Arianism so in other

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words if you obey the Quran and pray

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three times a day you’re an apostate and

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you gestured be killed for not obeying a

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Zoroastrian custom okay that is

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interesting you know although it’s funny

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because you’d expect you had to be one

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of those pillars since it seems to be

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the most important thing to do in this

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lent by far since nothing else seems to

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matter if you don’t do if you eat pork

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and drink booze and do no praying but

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you die in alice way you get to you get

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the commuter lane to heaven yeah well if

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it’s a call if you can call what they

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call paradise heaven but you get your

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fast-tracked so it would seem that jihad

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would be one of the pillars what are the

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five commandments and then five pillars

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after the praying five times a day it’s

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a cat is the giving alms you can either

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get like most people think about giving

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alms to the poor but it can also include

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just donating to the mosque and you know

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with you you may think that the mosque

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is going to then give them you know

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money to the poor but they might be

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keeping it all to coyote you know and

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that happens a lot and then the psalm

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romo those the fasting during the month

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of Ramadan and the final one was a final

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pillar was hatch debate everything moves

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them as supposed to is expected to when

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I make the pilgrimage to Mecca once in a

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lifetime so those are the five pillars

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they’re mostly benign you know if that’s

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all Islam was it really wouldn’t be a

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threat okay now we get to the five

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command

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and these are Sita Gemma Westham ah ha

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ha well hitch it up with jihad okay –

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Gemma means together so that means you

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do that by going to the mosque and

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getting with other Muslims in the mosque

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to pray and a stoma means to listen so

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you’re supposed to listen attentively to

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the preacher of the Imam and taken

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everything he says and Allah means to

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obey are you supposed to obey what your

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mom says and obey what the Quran says

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etc etc and then the fourth one is a

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hijra that’s to migrate some muslims are

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commanded to migrate to other countries

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to spread the religion and then read the

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whole population

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and then the final commandment is of

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course jihad so if they managed to sneak

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jihad in as a commandment rather than as

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a pillar okay yeah these Commandments

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the five commands like that or listen

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fact they there’s two hadees that quote

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Muhammad s listing you know there was

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those five Commandments in that order

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and which from which book of Hadees no

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tirmidhi was one of them and I forgot

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the other one I’ve got to run down

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somewhere food now I read at least two

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books by Sam Solomon you know Sam

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Solomon he was a great Islamic jurist

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and actually his story is a great story

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not time for the whole thing here but he

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he read a Bible decided Christianity was

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correct and got the hell out of Dodge

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because he knew and he was a top-level

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jurist and I think Saudi Arabia

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routinely passed that was with a

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committee of other jurists and he became

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one of the great Warner’s to the west

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about what Islam had in store for us

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anyway

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in his book on the mosque as a hidden

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Trojan horse guy think that’s

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the book he talked about how like

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prayers gives you sort of points like if

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you if you’re praying you do your

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prayers and you get points for heaven it

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sounded very much like a pinball game

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the way he described it and he said that

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certain mosques have a multiplier so if

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you go to an inconsequential maus that

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no one’s ever heard of in and out of the

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way place you there’s no multiplier so

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you get a hundred prayer points you do

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100 prayer points but if you go to the

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grand mosque in Medina and you do your

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prayers there that it’s worth like 50

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times the points yeah so it’s just like

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it’s this absurd in my humble opinion

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it’s an extraordinarily childish way to

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look at prayer and connecting with the

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divine as a human being where which

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mosque you’re in determines the point

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count yeah it just strikes me as being

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both astonishingly childish but do you

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know anything about that system or do I

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have to just go back to Sam’s alma mater

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yeah I haven’t heard that that system

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and it certainly makes sense I think

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I’ve read I’ve got a book on called the

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Hydra the migration by a Solomon and he

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brought it with someone at Enya

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construction with another ex Muslim that

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also switched over and became Hurston

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anyone want to sum up this you know the

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difference between the five pillars of

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Islam and the five commandments as also

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a very distinct determination between

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the modern Muslim and the jihadi they’re

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hardcore Muslim yeah so because to me it

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feels like the difference between the

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moderate I mean the only distinction is

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how observant you are yes

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yes I mean if you’re really an observant

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Muslim your jihad planes have one way or

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another because it isn’t one of the

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commandments that you have to do jihad

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either by the pen the purse or the sword

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if you are yes if you’re really into it

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yes mm-hmm

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so if you’re observant you’re doing one

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of those things and if you’re not

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observant you’re not at all the degree

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to which an individual is a fact people

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often ask me what

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hate all Muslims not eight it’s not the

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issue the issue is it’s not even about

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moderate or not or extremists

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it’s observant its degree that’s how

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fervent you are yes it’s like if Nazis

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were invented fourteen hundred years ago

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and they you know like you could say

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some guy might be a baker and born and

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raised a Nazi but doesn’t care about it

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and never read mine Kampf he’s not

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likely to be a problem but the guy does

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oh yeah anyway that’s how I look at it I

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hope that somewhat reasonable that’s

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exactly yes yeah how observant you are

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Barry Webb thank you very much for this

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oddities and origins of Islam this week

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we’ll see you again next week okay

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