Latest on Epstein death by Brad Johnson, Americans for Intelligence Reform

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Brad Johnson it is August 13th on a

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Tuesday and there’s an awful lot of

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things that have happened that that that

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sure look what they have geopolitical

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significance I think the thing everybody

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is talking about is Epstein it feels

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like there’s nothing more left to be

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said but you surprised me before why

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don’t you just take it from there

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all right thank you yes the Epstein case

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is just absolutely the worst possible

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combination of optics that you could

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design it’s one of those things where

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the where the truth tends to exceed

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fiction but the you know the essential

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bottom-line problem is you had Epstein

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who was deeply involved with the

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Democratic Party certainly oversees

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individuals but the essential issue is

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he was deeply involved in democratic

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politics

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I mean Democratic Party politics a big

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donor well connected to Bill Clinton and

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that what was it I think we talked about

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a little bit last time 27 trips on the

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lolita’ Express and had made three trips

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to the island and all of all of these

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things which by the way Bill Clinton put

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out a a very interesting little news

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release where he said well from 2000 I’m

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making up the years I don’t remember

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what years it was he mentioned but from

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2001 to 2003 I only saw Epstein three

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times and was on his plane twice but I

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had the Secret Service with me at all

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times in blah blah blah he said all the

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stuff which all that was was accurate

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but the problem was not from 2001 to

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2003 it was from 2003 to 7 or or some

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whatever those years were where he was

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on the plane the lead expressed like

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20-some odd times and all of this so he

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was almost humorous it’ll go ahead

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there’s a good chance for bill to

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practice his famous line I did not have

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sex with that girl yeah that’s right

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the well so the problem all of that is

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is that those girls are all still out

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there and can testify and say who they

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had sex with and saying how the deal was

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so while Epstein being dead is a big

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help

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it makes her

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much harder it doesn’t make it go away

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and AG bar has already come out and said

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one of one of the two points he’s made

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is that 1f seems death is going to be

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investigated and to all of you people

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that were associates of Epstein don’t

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think the case is over we’re still

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looking at all of that so don’t rest

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easy was his history but now here’s the

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underlying essential problem and it’s

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just like I said it’s it’s it’s it’s so

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bizarre that it’s almost funny you had

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hundreds of people out there predicting

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Epstein was going to get killed in jail

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everybody was doing it I you know I’ve I

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sat down just started flipping through

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to see you’ve been saying that and now

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you weren’t seeing it reported on CNN or

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mainstream media but once you got beyond

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that everybody was speculating I mean

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you and I had touched on it in a

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previous interviews and I had personally

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at least haven’t said yea or nay that I

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thought he was going to get killed but

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merely that if he did it would be

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extraordinarily convenient for a lot of

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people and to that degree whether people

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were saying he was going to be killed or

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people that kind of went to the where I

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was at saying you know you know it’d be

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awfully convenient for people if he did

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get killed that spectrum of people

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stretched into the hundreds so you had

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it everybody’s saying this and the guy

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ends up dead now you know the basis of

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science if you will is you know you make

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a theory with predictions as to what the

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outcome will be of a certain set of

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circumstances and then you set up a test

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for it to see if those that theory is

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proven true that these series of events

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will play out the way you predict they

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will so I mean the basis of science is

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prediction so you had all of these

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people out there who accurately

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predicted that Epstein would die now

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that’s that is the bottom-line problem

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here so what to me the truly interesting

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aspect out of this is US attorney

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general bars reaction because the next

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day he’s saying this this is out of

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control has to be stopped

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and I think AG bar every time he sees

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something go on every time he takes the

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next step

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the next thing he sees more and more and

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more corruption and problems and the

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political system has been turned on its

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head now I’m not saying Epstein was

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murdered but while I would say

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absolutely 100% is there’s at least a

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strong possibility he was murdered I

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mean somebody killed him whether he

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killed himself or somebody else killed

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him he was killed so there there is no

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doubt of the outcome with Epstein now

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there’s people out there that have like

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pictures of the year saying all this

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parts different you know he was that’s

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not really him and all about I that’s

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kind of a little bit of the you know too

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far out there I I think it’s clear that

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Epstein is in fact dead and the question

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is who killed himself or somebody else

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the cause of death was strangulation we

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already know that it’s been out in the

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press that he hooked himself to the top

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bunk with torn up sheets tied it around

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his neck and then had to kneel down to

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strangle himself now I gotta say I mean

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that’s not that easy

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I don’t think kill yourself in that way

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is all that easy and there’s other

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evidence out there that Epstein would

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had just talked to a lawyer had just

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talked to a psychologist who said you

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know he was totally engaged and was

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looking you know working on mounting his

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defense had talked to lawyers about you

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know changing lawyers to create a

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defense for himself which he had

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basically an unlimited budget to throw

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it at the problem with having lawyers so

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he was going to have a class a defense

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out of this whole thing so there’s good

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indicators that he was not looking to

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kill himself that information is

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starting to float out there at the same

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time some of the stuff that’s been used

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as an excuse like saying oh well you

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know they were short-staffed that night

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there were only two people on duty

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one was a guard the other one wasn’t

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even really an employee it was just a

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volunteer at this place and those were

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the only two people around but rather

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again the optics being terrible they

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took him off the suicide watch

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he theoretically had already tried to

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kill himself once

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and you know so then now he’s mounting

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this defense and legal defenses all of

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these other issues and suddenly then

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successfully kills himself by tying

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himself to the top bunk and the kneeling

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so that he strangles and passes out and

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then eventually is completely strangled

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to where he dies is fixated with this

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with his sheets torn in strips I mean

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that’s not you know what kneeling

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feeling yourself grow unconscious and

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not do anything about it is is it is not

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that easy I’m not sure that that that

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guy would have been able to do a thing

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like that but also if you were gonna

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kill somebody and you had three or four

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people image to do it that would also be

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the way you’d kill somebody now I’ve

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heard some of the Talking Heads say on

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TV oh it’s way too soon it’s

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irresponsible to speculate you know this

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is terrible thing for people to be doing

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but you know BS he was killed so the

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speculation is to who did it him or

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somebody else

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there’s nothing irresponsible about that

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that was one or the other and yes we

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will find out to say conclusively was

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one of the other it’s too soon but it’s

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not irresponsible

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we will probably find out from the

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autopsy but that’s already been delayed

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and so we’re kind of now waiting to see

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every day they let that stretch out it

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gets worse and worse and worse and worse

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cuz like I said taken in some everybody

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was saying he was gonna die he was

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supposed to be on suicide watching was

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not he ends up dead on a night where

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there’s only one guard working and and

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and and one volunteer now what are

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saying well that’s why we have known

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suicide watch so it doesn’t mean

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anything but it’s actually the truth is

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the other way around if you were gonna

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wait and three or four or five other

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prisoners we’re gonna come in and murder

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him what are they gonna do it they’re

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gonna do it on those night they know the

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routine they’re gonna do it on one of

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those nights when there’s only one guard

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and one volunteer and used to say the

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one guard or the one volunteer maybe you

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know could have been in on it if there

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was big bucks out there so I mean now

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this is highly speculative that’s true I

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understand but if you were going to

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murder the guy that is when you would do

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it you’re not going to do it in

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day when there’s you know a dozen guards

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standing around and orderlies or whoever

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running around doing whatever they do

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that’s not the time you murder the guy

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it’s at night when it’s easy and there’s

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nobody there so to use that as a defense

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saying it’s innocent is the opposite is

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the truth it’s it’s it’s it’s not a

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defense saying that this guy killed

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himself

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now also of course that’s when he would

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have killed himself too because he knew

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he would be uninterrupted if that was

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truly what he was after us to do himself

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in so that’s when it naturally would

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take place I don’t think it’s either

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positive or negative as to proof as to

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who did it

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I don’t think we’ve got anything that’s

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really conclusive out there yet but

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again you could not design worse optics

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with everybody saying that he was going

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to die with the suicide watch with it

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being at night without being the guards

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around with it being so politically

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convenient to so many people in the

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Democratic Party most assuredly Bill

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Clinton with the Clintons already having

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that long list of people who very

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conveniently died you know at some point

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you know that list is getting pretty

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long and some of these people are really

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their deaths are just really convenient

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so at some point you have to start to

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question all of the coincidence

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but you should mention that I don’t

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think this was related at all

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but a person who is a former member of

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the Haitian government was just found in

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his Florida hotel room dead with a

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gunshot wound to the head apparently was

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apparently was suicide was Florida not

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Arkansas but it was suicide and let’s

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see the other thing that I think it’s

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interesting is that lots of the people

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that seem to be implicated in this

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entire thing are people who I think

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certainly would have both the money and

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the connections and the influence to be

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able to arrange something like this I

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don’t think I don’t think getting

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somebody killed in prison is that

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difficult to begin with but to somebody

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to people with that kind of money and

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the and more importantly who’ve actually

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appointed some of the senior people in

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that system you got to wonder how

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difficult it would be to set this up

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well and I think that’s an

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extraordinarily valid question and

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people get killed in jail

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pretty much every day I think and there

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are people that are would be are

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particularly interesting targets and as

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I think in the public based on movies

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know these sorts of information sources

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I think everybody’s aware that people

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who are considered rapists of children

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are particularly high targets are

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considered you know trophies in prison

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to say some of the harder core prisoners

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who are killers

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so you know he would have most assuredly

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have been a target to many if not all

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well not all auctions exaggerate but he

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would most assuredly be considered a

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target a trophy target by many many

0:11:40.040,0:11:43.400
prisoners because of what he did and

0:11:41.810,0:11:46.070
there’s other types of prisoners that

0:11:43.400,0:11:48.080
are that are also similarly targets for

0:11:46.070,0:11:51.230
one reason or another but he certainly

0:11:48.080,0:11:53.180
fits that profile so like I say those

0:11:51.230,0:11:54.590
types of guys get killed every day there

0:11:53.180,0:11:56.840
was killings in prisons every day you

0:11:54.590,0:11:58.730
know if you take the whole the sum total

0:11:56.840,0:12:00.560
of the prisons I haven’t looked at the

0:11:58.730,0:12:02.960
statistics but you know it’s not unusual

0:12:00.560,0:12:05.270
it’s not something highly publicized

0:12:02.960,0:12:07.400
because yeah we all know there’s gang

0:12:05.270,0:12:09.260
factions in prisons they kill each other

0:12:07.400,0:12:11.360
we’ve all seen the TV shows where

0:12:09.260,0:12:13.640
they’ve got knives concealed on their

0:12:11.360,0:12:15.380
person and unusual places and pull them

0:12:13.640,0:12:17.420
out and stab people and break them off

0:12:15.380,0:12:21.320
and all that sort of stuff so we know

0:12:17.420,0:12:23.840
but I will say to take in this guy

0:12:21.320,0:12:26.000
Epstein as long as you had enough people

0:12:23.840,0:12:29.120
to do it you know guy holding each iron

0:12:26.000,0:12:31.250
guy on each leg and holding in a

0:12:29.120,0:12:32.660
position where they’re you know pulling

0:12:31.250,0:12:34.430
on you know another guy pulling on that

0:12:32.660,0:12:36.830
till he’s unconscious strangled and then

0:12:34.430,0:12:39.620
tying him on top of the bunk and letting

0:12:36.830,0:12:41.990
him sit there where his actual death it

0:12:39.620,0:12:44.240
comes after he’s unconscious being

0:12:41.990,0:12:46.040
asphyxiated and then he he would do that

0:12:44.240,0:12:48.770
you could probably do that without the

0:12:46.040,0:12:50.570
bruises being you know so noticeable I

0:12:48.770,0:12:52.250
mean should they could come up with ways

0:12:50.570,0:12:53.990
to have things on their hands so it

0:12:52.250,0:12:56.120
doesn’t bruise so badly his arms and

0:12:53.990,0:12:59.570
legs I I don’t believe that it would be

0:12:56.120,0:13:02.210
all that difficult to accomplish in such

0:12:59.570,0:13:05.870
a way that would be difficult for an

0:13:02.210,0:13:06.440
autopsy to be conclusive so now you know

0:13:05.870,0:13:08.449
he’s been

0:13:06.440,0:13:10.459
smacked around and beat up and all of

0:13:08.449,0:13:11.660
that then yeah but I don’t I don’t think

0:13:10.459,0:13:13.940
they would do it that way

0:13:11.660,0:13:15.500
conceivably but I just don’t think so so

0:13:13.940,0:13:17.540
I mean that’s one of the problems that’s

0:13:15.500,0:13:21.050
inherent with this no matter what is

0:13:17.540,0:13:22.670
found now I’m going to 10-day Jabbar’s

0:13:21.050,0:13:25.430
personally paying attention to this I

0:13:22.670,0:13:27.769
have quite a bit of faith in him he

0:13:25.430,0:13:30.680
clearly sees the threat this type of

0:13:27.769,0:13:32.720
thing is to stability and belief in

0:13:30.680,0:13:34.699
public institutions such as law

0:13:32.720,0:13:36.920
enforcement he clearly understands that

0:13:34.699,0:13:41.149
so his goal out of all of that is going

0:13:36.920,0:13:43.250
to be to come to you know some sort of

0:13:41.149,0:13:44.329
conclusion on this so I think that’s

0:13:43.250,0:13:47.149
what you’re gonna see I think it’s gonna

0:13:44.329,0:13:49.610
be very carefully done me personally

0:13:47.149,0:13:54.139
whatever AG Barr determines to be the

0:13:49.610,0:13:56.120
case I probably 99% gonna go with

0:13:54.139,0:13:58.699
whatever that is because I just don’t

0:13:56.120,0:14:00.769
believe that based on how he’s been in

0:13:58.699,0:14:02.930
office so far that he’s gonna try to

0:14:00.769,0:14:04.970
cover anything up I think if it’s bad

0:14:02.930,0:14:06.379
he’ll say it’s bad I think if it the guy

0:14:04.970,0:14:08.839
killed himself but I think he’ll say he

0:14:06.379,0:14:11.569
killed himself now the the problem out

0:14:08.839,0:14:13.910
of all of that is a not sure it’ll be

0:14:11.569,0:14:16.819
all that conclusive so if it’s

0:14:13.910,0:14:18.920
inconclusive then you know like I said

0:14:16.819,0:14:20.509
even if it is 100% conclusive super

0:14:18.920,0:14:22.310
clear that he did it himself for

0:14:20.509,0:14:23.839
whatever reasons I you know I’m no

0:14:22.310,0:14:26.089
expert in that sort of thing so I don’t

0:14:23.839,0:14:29.420
know if the autopsy can truly say that

0:14:26.089,0:14:31.040
but even if it does you’re not a lot of

0:14:29.420,0:14:32.990
people that will never believe it and

0:14:31.040,0:14:34.279
like I said every one of those hundreds

0:14:32.990,0:14:36.500
of people who said he was going to be

0:14:34.279,0:14:38.899
killed in prison everyone I was gonna go

0:14:36.500,0:14:40.279
see told you so you’ve already got this

0:14:38.899,0:14:44.269
base of hundreds of people out there

0:14:40.279,0:14:46.610
already talking that way so this it’s

0:14:44.269,0:14:48.529
just not gonna die it’s just gonna be a

0:14:46.610,0:14:51.500
murder thing it’s gonna be on the list

0:14:48.529,0:14:53.480
of the clinton dead bodies list it’s not

0:14:51.500,0:14:56.120
gonna die also because the the guy who

0:14:53.480,0:15:00.230
oversaw the autopsy was connected to the

0:14:56.120,0:15:02.360
JFK autopsy the MLK autopsy and to every

0:15:00.230,0:15:05.269
other death for which there Spence

0:15:02.360,0:15:07.309
floating and circular conspiracy

0:15:05.269,0:15:10.639
theories since they happen so I thought

0:15:07.309,0:15:13.670
if they chose to bring that guy it’s not

0:15:10.639,0:15:16.850
going to help no it’s not and I would

0:15:13.670,0:15:18.920
have you know I would have brought in a

0:15:16.850,0:15:20.260
team of you know twelve or whatever you

0:15:18.920,0:15:22.940
could get by with it

0:15:20.260,0:15:25.130
you know one of the autopsy auditoriums

0:15:22.940,0:15:26.360
that they have for like medical schools

0:15:25.130,0:15:27.980
and just put it in front of everybody

0:15:26.360,0:15:30.440
that you can I wouldn’t have put it on

0:15:27.980,0:15:32.480
camera but I would have I would have put

0:15:30.440,0:15:34.130
it out there I mean one of the things

0:15:32.480,0:15:37.520
that you know certainly I learned in the

0:15:34.130,0:15:39.380
agency is you know you keeping a secret

0:15:37.520,0:15:42.110
among a huge group of people is much

0:15:39.380,0:15:44.330
more difficult so you know having this

0:15:42.110,0:15:46.040
autopsy closely observed by a panel

0:15:44.330,0:15:48.470
large number of people would have been

0:15:46.040,0:15:52.250
smart and it wasn’t done that and they

0:15:48.470,0:15:54.410
should have done it that way but you

0:15:52.250,0:15:56.030
know it’s it’s to pay off a whole big

0:15:54.410,0:15:58.280
group of people and manipulate the

0:15:56.030,0:15:59.900
situation is just too hard and one of

0:15:58.280,0:16:02.210
them would eventually give it up if it

0:15:59.900,0:16:04.010
was true but one or two people you know

0:16:02.210,0:16:05.630
somebody within the system especially a

0:16:04.010,0:16:07.430
high-profile guy like that I was not

0:16:05.630,0:16:08.840
aware of that by the way that it was the

0:16:07.430,0:16:11.060
same person that did those other right

0:16:08.840,0:16:13.790
autopsies but must be a pretty old guy

0:16:11.060,0:16:15.290
to have done JFK and MLK he was well he

0:16:13.790,0:16:17.030
was connected to an optic I’ll have to

0:16:15.290,0:16:18.890
go back to the article it’s surprisingly

0:16:17.030,0:16:20.270
I think it’s from The Daily Beast which

0:16:18.890,0:16:23.060
you wouldn’t have expected but

0:16:20.270,0:16:25.880
apparently this guy is a celebrity he

0:16:23.060,0:16:27.920
had a TV show one point about forensics

0:16:25.880,0:16:29.120
and so on I’ll send you the articles

0:16:27.920,0:16:31.520
quite interesting but he’s connected to

0:16:29.120,0:16:34.670
every every high-profile killing

0:16:31.520,0:16:38.450
including including even OJ Simpson I

0:16:34.670,0:16:40.970
think he likes the initials so that’s

0:16:38.450,0:16:42.620
great I think at the end of the day it

0:16:40.970,0:16:45.310
looks like the best we can hope for is

0:16:42.620,0:16:47.990
that AG Barr who so far has been

0:16:45.310,0:16:51.950
absolutely what one would hope of an

0:16:47.990,0:16:54.560
attorney general and and not anti state

0:16:51.950,0:16:57.890
or you know as we’ve seen perhaps in

0:16:54.560,0:16:59.150
some of the more recent ones we can hold

0:16:57.890,0:17:02.810
the best we can hope for it’s he’s gonna

0:16:59.150,0:17:05.180
do the job right and let us know yay or

0:17:02.810,0:17:06.140
nay or even if there’s some some

0:17:05.180,0:17:08.150
indeterminable

0:17:06.140,0:17:11.240
that he lets us know that there’s an

0:17:08.150,0:17:15.050
indeterminable I think I think we can

0:17:11.240,0:17:18.230
anticipate honesty out of the man I hope

0:17:15.050,0:17:19.520
so if it’s not then where the problems

0:17:18.230,0:17:22.340
are going to start to really mount up

0:17:19.520,0:17:23.510
and be be real serious so I think he

0:17:22.340,0:17:24.770
understands that and is gonna be

0:17:23.510,0:17:27.490
straightforward I think he’s a straight

0:17:24.770,0:17:27.490
shooter in general

0:17:29.140,0:17:38.900
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