Barry Webb on Turkish expansion into Syria

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Barry Webb’s been a while since we’ve

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had a chance to to talk about the events

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of the of that week and boy a lot of

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stuffs happened since you’ve been gone

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and I think there looks like I guess the

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key things would be on the surface it

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looks like a major change in u.s.

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foreign policy concerning Middle East

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engagements meanwhile it looks like and

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I just watched I don’t know how many

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videos today thanks to the people who

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send stuff into my site Turkey has been

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sending a huge amount of military assets

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equipment personnel into Syria and you

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know it it looks to me like they’re

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really rebuilding the caliphate it’s

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hard to make sense that I don’t speak

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Arabic the videos are all in Arabic

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so but one thing is for sure Turkey

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seems to be establishing itself as a

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regional hegemon and really looking

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forward to what you know I’m free you’ve

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been keeping up with it I’m looking

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forward to hearing what you’ve got to

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say you’ve kind of summed it up exactly

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what’s happening I go back a little bit

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though into last December right before

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Christmas if remember that’s when Trump

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first announced that he was going to

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pull American troops out of Syria and

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Jim mattis it was an Secretary of

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Defense had a big you know what about it

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and resigned and that was the primary

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reason he resigned because he realized

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that with us pulling out the Turks were

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going to move right in and exterminate

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you know whatever every single Kurd that

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they could find and these you know that

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would have included the the so-called

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Syrian Democratic army that we supported

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which is composed of Kurds from the YPG

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Kurdish faction and so to secondary Matt

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Matt does this look like an American

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betrayal of an ally that had been

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fighting side by side with us to destroy

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Isis after

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maddis resigned and submitted his letter

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two trumpets Trump read and then much of

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that was leaked to the press and so it

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was you know was all Lord wonder why

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mantas had resigned Trump kind of

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backtracked and he kept he pulled out

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about half of our troops I’ll let the

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others therefore to train you know or

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continued to train the Kurds and support

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them whatnot in the meantime though he

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had given the green light to Turkey to

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move in two areas were the turkey where

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the Kurdish PKK faction was strongest

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now the PKK faction has been declared a

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terrorist group by the United States and

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I believe all of the rest of NATO

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because in the past they have engaged in

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terrorist activities inside Turkey

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itself okay so the Turks moved into

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Efrain and ethnic cleanse the place they

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exterminated every Kurd Christian and

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you city they could find and when did

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they do this exactly this is over the

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winner after Trump’s first announcement

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of withdrawal from Turkey I’m from Syria

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rather so they did this over the winter

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was when the Turks moved into the Afrim

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province and after ethnic cleansing the

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place they brought in turkic-speaking

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people’s from other parts of the world

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including Central Asia and moved them

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into the areas that had been emptied of

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its original inhabitants so now you have

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a lot of Turkish restaurants up there

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Turkish radio station to whatnot so it’s

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essentially has become part of the new

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kind of fate now when the Turks moved

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into that area into Efrain last spring

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what they did their method of operation

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was to send in first to send in shock

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troops these shock troops are the

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so-called free

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Syrian army as opposed to the Syrian

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Democratic army which we said which we

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support the Free Syrian Army is

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supported by the Turks and this is

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difficult to keep these two separate but

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it’s important because they are entirely

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different the Free Syrian Army supported

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by the Turks is composed of leftovers

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from Isis al Qaeda Muslim Brotherhood

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types so the Syrians have I mean the

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Turks have formed this quote of what

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they call a rebel Syrian force

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ostensibly used to combat the Assad

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regime but actually they use it to

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ethnic cleanses that turkey wants to

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move into so these were the troops that

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ethnic cleansed the afraid province

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prior to the turkeys army moving in and

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restoring order now fast forward to

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today we can see the same thing taking

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place today in other areas of northern

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Syria let me back up just a minute the

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area of referring of a Efrain that we’re

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talking about is it was Northwest Syria

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but a south of the euphrates river the

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Euphrates River kind of also takes a

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bend to the north right there

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now the new area that Syria that Turkey

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is moving into is east and north of the

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Euphrates River and they claim they want

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to establish a what they call a safe

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zone of about 25 miles deep into Syrian

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territory now they initiated the attacks

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with airstrikes and artillery strikes

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the next step will be the so-called a

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free Free Syrian Army folks composed of

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basically ex former terrorists moving

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into ethnic cleanse the place and then

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the regular Turkish army will come in to

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restore order so that’s the current

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situation and this is why

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everyone you know even not Trump

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supporters in Congress Lindsey Graham

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and knew a lot of hot right wing

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websites are actually absolutely

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condemning this latest move by Trump to

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withdraw from Syria what is especially

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disturbing especially for those of us

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who voted for Trump and in wishing the

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best is that his first withdrawal from

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sorry the one he announced in December

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was made only days after a telephone

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conversation with Erdogan so in other

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words again calls him up convinces him

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that you know we’re gonna go take care

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of Isis for you because we’re we’re

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fighting the war on terrorism just like

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you are and Trump says oh yeah it sounds

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a good idea okay go ahead and we have

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the same scenario this time is that this

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current Trump withdrawal came right

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after an urban telephone conversation to

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Trump and he spun the story that a were

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only going after the PKK PKK and Isis so

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let us do the fighting

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so that gives Trump a good attitude to

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pull out but President Trump also was

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very clear that if Turkey was to

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misbehave he would crush and destroy the

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the Turkish economy and he even made a

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cryptic reference to the Hagia Sophia

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and he referred to himself using the two

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adjectives that are pretty much only

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ever used to describe the Hagia Sophia

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so I mean it’s not like I think he’s

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withdrawing without without laying down

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conditions yeah but those conditions

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came only after he got a lot of pushback

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and quitting from his allies and we saw

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the same pattern you know it down in in

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December after his first announcement

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William once he gets slapped in the face

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by pushback from his allies from his own

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people then he you know back tracks a

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little bit so but I don’t trust the

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Turks one minute I think what they’re

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doing in Syria now is going to have sir

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ramifications down the road not only in

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the Middle East but it could even impact

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his presidency in that if he is to

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survive these you know these attempts to

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need to impeach him depend whether it be

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the Russia Russia hoax or the Ukrainian

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thing it’s going to become increasingly

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difficult for the Republicans in

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Congress and the Senate to stand by him

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when they see things like this you know

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the only thing that keeps ringing

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through my head about all this is it

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using a geopolitical or historical model

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the periods of history where turkey

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isn’t a really seriously large world

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power and an imperialist one at that is

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is very very tiny the vast majority of

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history Turkey has been an empire and I

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think that it would really be wise for

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the world part of the world that values

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freedom to keep a strong eye on make

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sure that they don’t start spreading

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outside their their borders you know to

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find returning by history because

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written histories like 5,000 years old

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Turkey has a you know world power a

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great power lasted only for about 500

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years this is during the Middle Ages up

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until I’m green upon the 19th century

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they were had become a minor player they

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had their proxies in North Africa called

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the Barbary pirates but they had very

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little military power of their own and

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as a result of course they were on the

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losing side and World War One resulting

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in the breakup of a debate but now it’s

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what’s that

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it’s been great since then exactly now

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in size we discussed before on this

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program is that his primary foreign

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policy goal is to reconstitute the

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Ottoman Caliphate through you know

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reconquering territory when he can and

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to ally with Muslim Brotherhood have led

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governments throughout the Arab world

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and this brings us to some of the other

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news items this week is that there are

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reports now coming out of Algeria which

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has been undergoing an Arabic and herb

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spring 2.0 that a group called the MOOC

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Tama a Salaam which means society of

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peace is poised to possibly win the

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lion’s share of whatever elections that

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they have in the near future in Tunisia

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they just had parliamentary elections in

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which the mana party which is a Muslim

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Brotherhood the Tunisian branch of the

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Muslim Brotherhood actually won the

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plurality and is in position to form the

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Ness government if they can find

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partners yeah because they didn’t quite

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have a majority so we see our

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Brotherhood linked groups gaining at

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least in some Arab states at the same

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time that Turkey is expanding out of its

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borders however it’s only 25 miles there

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on the moon

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they’re drilling off the coast of Cyprus

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has been on the news recently you know I

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kind of think they’re gonna do something

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against Greece pretty soon unless unless

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we do something unless the front that

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administration comes up and really slaps

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them hard in some way I think they’re

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going to continue pushing and trying to

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grab more and more

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you

 

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