Barry Webb update on Turkish invasion and regional impact Oct 15 2019

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Barry Webb retired NSA Arabist and

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Arabic translator and while it’s been

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important for a long time but never been

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more important than now we see that

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turkey yellow turkey isn’t technically

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an Arab nation it seems like the

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beginning of the aggressive push for a

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new caliphate is on massive things

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happening into Syria is there a chance

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we can get Iran and Turkey to cancel

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each other out why don’t you tell us

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what’s going on there first just to

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bring everyone up to date on what’s

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going on what’s going on on the ground

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there in Turkey the first thing that

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happened after we announced our pull out

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is that the YPG Kurds that we had been

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supporting have out of necessity allied

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themselves with the Assad regime in

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Damascus and apparently this deal was

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worked out with the blessings of the

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Russians and the Syrian army then in

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conjunction with the YPG have moved into

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some of the areas in northern Syria that

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Turkey had captured previously such as

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if rain and mend beds and more recently

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kobani which which is actually north of

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Euphrates and there are rumors that the

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Russians are have been operating you

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know with them in this now the Turks

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originally announced that all they

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wanted was a security zone of some 25

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miles into Syria but reports out of a

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party of TV today is that the Turks have

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pushed a hundred kilometers into a Syria

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which would be about 60 miles so they’re

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they’re trying to bite off more than

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they said they were going to Risley

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up until now they’ve left kobani

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untouched now to bring people’s you know

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memory up up to speed on what they on

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the

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the importance of kobani co-manage again

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like I said is north of the afraid ease

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but it’s right on the border between

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Syria and Turkey now if you remember a

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few years back when the Islamic state

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was at its peak of strength they had

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besieged the city of kobani and had even

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taken part of it but the people rallied

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and heroically they fought them off

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women everyone you know it got armed in

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Isis and they fought him off and they

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won you know the praise of the world for

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doing this and then subsequently the

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city the entire city combined it’s

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mostly Kurds but also some Arabs that

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are there they were there Muslims but

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they recognized in Isis there the real

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the true Islam and so they converted in

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mass no pun intended to Christianity

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now when the Syrian forces the Mossad

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the Assad forces moved in to kobani to

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secure it a couple of days ago the Turks

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at first said they were okay with that

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and okay with the Assad regime taking

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over every NAND midship also in which

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our south and west of Euphrates but they

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have there were areas that Turkey had

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recently taken over that they were okay

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with that but there’s a report coming

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out today

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that the Turkish army is now moving

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towards kobani

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now that’s true we’re looking at a

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really horrendous bloodbath because not

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only are these people a Muslim Kurds but

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the fact that they they converted if

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they left Islam and converted to another

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religion that’s the death warrant so

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lots of reports have lots of reports

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have the the Turks fighting right

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alongside it’s ly McStay guys chant with

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the allahu akbar x’ and the same toyota

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trucks that they used the beginning of

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the establishment of the Islamic state

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in fact it’s it’s just deja vu

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2014 I think it was there’s all those

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convoys of these weird brown matching

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Toyota trucks full of guys with light

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and medium machine guns and going

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through the desert and now it seems that

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turkeys with those exact same guys in

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those same configurations and I mean I

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guess the question is are is Iran gonna

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object to them taking so much of Syria

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which is I think it ran fuses as a proxy

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state for that the area that Turkey is

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moving into the Iranians probably would

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have no objection what the Iranians want

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out of Syria is a direct beeline to to

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Lebanon in the Mediterranean Sea and

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from what I’ve previously reports they

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pretty much have that with the ten two

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thousand three one hundreds of thousands

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according to some reports of Iranians

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that they already have in Syria and I

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dug up a report from 2017 from Elsa’s

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era where the Turks and the Iranians

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sign an agreement that they both

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together want to wipe out the curves so

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as long as Turkey is wiping out Kurds

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the Iranians have no objection because

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they have Kurdish minority in the north

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north part of their country – well the

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Syrians have been committed

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you know waging sort of low-intensity

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genocide against the Kurds now for well

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least ten years I’ve probably a lot

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longer than that well as long as I’ve

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been following all this stuff the Turks

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have been making up excuses in terms

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using kind of leftist linguistic tricks

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are arguably two key Islamic linguistic

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tricks to redefine what Kurds are in

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order to justify going after them

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currently as terrorists but but that the

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Turks have been going into Kurdish

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villages and slaughtering people under

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the guise of whatever whatever they want

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invent for them so it seems to me that

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this has been an ongoing thing by turkey

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for quite a while yeah you you person

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thought you said the Syrian slogan

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Kurt’s gonna kind of threw me because

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the YPG the the branch of the Kurds that

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we’ve been supporting that we’re

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fighting with us against Isis have been

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very careful throughout the entire Arab

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Spring and revolt against asset they’ve

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been very careful not to pick a fight

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with the SADS forces because they felt

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it someday in the future they might have

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to make amends and that that day has

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come

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that’s why it was easy for them to for

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them and the Damascus government to get

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back together yeah yeah going back to I

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mean as far as the Turks are concerned I

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mean they’ve been after the Kurds for

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you know hundreds of years really you’ve

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got to come back all the way yeah and

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you know while we’re at it going back to

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kobani again when that horrendous battle

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is taking place between Isis and the

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people of kobani where they’re fighting

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for their survival the Turkish army was

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right across the border and not only did

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they not lend a hand to help the pur

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folks of kobani but they were egging on

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the the terrorists yelling Allahu Akbar

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no stuff and getting the medical you

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know treatment when needed and yeah

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you’re right I mean Turkey has been on

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the side of Isis from the word go in

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fact I’ve always considered and you in

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my book I mentioned this that Isis was

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actually a an arm of Turkey’s foreign

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policy and the Turks helped in a

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previous interview you had said that

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al-qaradawi

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is I guess the the Muslim Brotherhood

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spiritual leader had declared that air

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Dewan is in fact the Caliph and the

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leader of the new Caliphate so I mean it

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shouldn’t be that surprising that he’s

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working so closely with the Islamic

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state but also that that it was Turkish

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journalists and border guards that had

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busted

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the other parts of the Turkish state for

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smuggling huge amounts of ordnance and

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weapons and and field medicine and so on

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and so on up to Islamic state fighters

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although they claimed it was for the

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Turkmen but you know yeah right yeah and

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they were all solely the oil that the

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Islamic state stole from Surrey and also

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areas of Iraq when they were when they

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were there that it was the Turks that

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bought the oil from Isis and then sold

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it on the black market

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on behalf of Isis in fact of two sons

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over two and then were involved in the

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in that teal so yeah the Russians busted

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that the Russians did press conferences

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where they revealed I think phone calls

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between air to one’s kids and and its

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landing state leaders for oil deals if I

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remember right yes so so we have that

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going on and then like I mentioned the

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last interview the Kurds yet because

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they’ll be impressed by the Turks have

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pulled all of their guards oh wait you

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know off of the these camps were the

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Isis prisoners were being held and so

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now we have more Isis people running

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free throughout the region the people of

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course are blaming the effect Qatari and

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turkeys propaganda is saying that the

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Kurds have freed the Islamic state they

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didn’t do it intentionally

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they left their post but they had to

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make a choice because Isis is going to

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kill a few people here and there but the

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Turkish army is about genocide of the

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entire Kurdish race so they had to make

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a choice you know Rudy fight and so they

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put all of the resources into the fight

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against the Turks so what’s gonna I mean

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is there anything to stop Turkey cuz we

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all get that president Trump has decided

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to quit being an intermediary between

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endless endless Middle Eastern conflicts

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and I can I think that there’s certainly

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some sound reasons for like can’t say I

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don’t understand

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but what do you think the Russians are

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gonna come in and support the Syrian

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Kurds or support Syria in somewhere what

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what what is there to stop turkey from

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re-establishing a Caliphate it’s been

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the only thing right now that could stop

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turkey from us now this indicate of fate

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is the Russians and one more news item

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that has developed recently also is that

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the Arab League has of course condemned

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the Turkish invasion of Syria and have

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now led diplomatic and political support

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to the Damascus regime even though many

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of these countries like Saudi Arabia etc

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had been supporting rebel groups against

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the Assad regime because of its

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connections with Iran but certain hip so

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we have this big switch going on and

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alliances and so and the Russia of

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course Putin now this past couple of

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days has been visiting Saudi Arabia and

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the UAE and Israel so you know of course

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who now wants to open up better

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relations with all of these Middle

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Eastern countries particularly Arabs of

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which there’s you know two or three

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hundred million of them to sell you know

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weapons and grain and etc so Putin now

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has to make a choice does he maintain

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his bromance with her to an or does he

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side with the Arabs and the Syrian State

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against the Turks and my guess is that

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push come to shove he’s going to pick

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the latter because for a couple of

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reasons Turkey of course is Russia’s

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excuse me most ancient and traditional

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enemy going back 800 years and bottom

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line is Russia really has more there’s

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more interest you know with with 200 or

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300 million Arabs then there is with a

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80 million uh Turks and expat Turks are

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a giant thorn in the side of everywhere

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to establish themselves since they

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always see them so I mean looking the

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gray wolves things crazy but it was also

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wasn’t that long ago where I think it

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was an Ankara there was an attack on an

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airport and that came shortly after that

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Turks downed Soviet aircraft so Soviet

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military brushin forgot which decade

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this was Russian military aircraft and

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it sure looked like that attack although

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it was a jihadi attack it seemed to be

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from the former Soviet states so it

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looked to me at least like that attack

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on I think Ankara airport they JIT

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attacked it did a lot of damage killed a

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lot of people and probably cost him a

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lot of tourist revenue that that that

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attack was retaliatory by Putin using

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because I mean it’s not unusual for the

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Russians to use their own jetties right

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that’s been going on a while and for

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those downed Russian military aircraft

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and then we also never heard Russia

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speak about that again so I mean I can

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see whether it be some it’d be difficult

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to establish a trusting relationship I

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guess yeah I’m not sure which you said

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which decade but the only Russian

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aircraft I can think of that went down

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was a Russian fighter bomber in 2015 I

0:14:30.940,0:14:34.380
think that’s why dr. Putin into this war

0:14:32.560,0:14:38.200
that’s what I’m thinking of it was yes

0:14:34.380,0:14:39.580
yeah what Putin – Putin when Putin and

0:14:38.200,0:14:42.550
entered the war the first thing he did

0:14:39.580,0:14:44.380
was to do what Obama refused to do and

0:14:42.550,0:14:47.110
this was to go after the oil resources

0:14:44.380,0:14:50.460
of Isis because that’s their main source

0:14:47.110,0:14:55.860
of funding so he had bombed an oil

0:14:50.460,0:14:59.740
installation of Isis in the nurlan Syria

0:14:55.860,0:15:03.370
summer maybe southern Iraq but in order

0:14:59.740,0:15:06.160
for the jet to get there it had to cross

0:15:03.370,0:15:08.470
a tiny sliver of Turkish territory and

0:15:06.160,0:15:11.500
was all the way back after having this

0:15:08.470,0:15:13.450
you know bombed the site is when the

0:15:11.500,0:15:16.210
Turks took out the Russian aircraft

0:15:13.450,0:15:18.280
wasn’t over really you know Soviet era

0:15:16.210,0:15:19.510
aircraft because the Russians weren’t

0:15:18.280,0:15:21.130
expecting any yeah

0:15:19.510,0:15:22.900
he never serious dogfight

0:15:21.130,0:15:30.160
and that theater vote the Turks had at

0:15:22.900,0:15:31.720
15 and 16 so they took it down and yeah

0:15:30.160,0:15:34.090
the Russians really peeved about that

0:15:31.720,0:15:37.270
and the Russian general wrote a white

0:15:34.090,0:15:42.130
paper about how Russian could take

0:15:37.270,0:15:46.450
turkey down and yeah I don’t recall the

0:15:42.130,0:15:50.590
the Arab League attacked against the

0:15:46.450,0:15:52.720
airport in Turkey but there were surely

0:15:50.590,0:15:56.110
after there that there was a Russian

0:15:52.720,0:16:01.540
ambassador in Turkey that was giving a

0:15:56.110,0:16:04.570
speech at and so an art museum and a

0:16:01.540,0:16:07.600
member of ruins personal security guard

0:16:04.570,0:16:08.770
walked out onstage and Charlie killed it

0:16:07.600,0:16:10.330
right on stage that’s right I’d

0:16:08.770,0:16:12.430
forgotten about that that was all around

0:16:10.330,0:16:15.780
the same time so there’s yeah I mean I I

0:16:12.430,0:16:19.150
think there’s probably some some

0:16:15.780,0:16:21.250
percolating mistrust there between goes

0:16:19.150,0:16:24.970
back 800 years of when the Mongols

0:16:21.250,0:16:28.770
invaded Russia from the Far East they

0:16:24.970,0:16:31.240
had a second prong that came up through

0:16:28.770,0:16:33.790
areas that Turkey had recently conquered

0:16:31.240,0:16:35.730
in in Asia Minor the Turks gave him a

0:16:33.790,0:16:39.240
free pass to go out to the Russians and

0:16:35.730,0:16:41.140
then since then you know when the Turks

0:16:39.240,0:16:43.270
established their auto in April they

0:16:41.140,0:16:46.480
started showing up parts of Russian

0:16:43.270,0:16:48.220
territory they took the Crimea and most

0:16:46.480,0:16:52.120
of what is now the core of the Ukraine

0:16:48.220,0:16:54.220
and you know parts of southern Russia –

0:16:52.120,0:16:55.930
so and then this has been going back and

0:16:54.220,0:17:00.070
forth you know ever since said for

0:16:55.930,0:17:02.560
hundreds of years so yeah the blood is

0:17:00.070,0:17:05.140
percolating the only reason your Putin

0:17:02.560,0:17:07.120
an arrow and pretending to be you know

0:17:05.140,0:17:09.610
brothers and arms but I it’s just

0:17:07.120,0:17:13.500
superficial and I think Putin has been

0:17:09.610,0:17:18.189
playing this game in an attempt to woo

0:17:13.500,0:17:20.860
we’re doing turkey out of NATO and you

0:17:18.189,0:17:23.050
know my view is I don’t have it

0:17:20.860,0:17:25.689
turkey is nothing but a it’s an

0:17:23.050,0:17:27.339
albatross our neck right now the only

0:17:25.689,0:17:30.010
the only reason I can imagine what

0:17:27.339,0:17:31.750
they’re still in there’s that that NATO

0:17:30.010,0:17:33.880
specifically the United States must

0:17:31.750,0:17:35.060
figure that it’s better for them to have

0:17:33.880,0:17:37.850
a base right in the middle

0:17:35.060,0:17:40.040
Oh Turkey then it is not too so they

0:17:37.850,0:17:42.430
probably I’m guessing that they’re

0:17:40.040,0:17:44.660
probably members of NATO and name only

0:17:42.430,0:17:46.430
Barry Webb thank you very much I think

0:17:44.660,0:17:49.490
that’s quite a good update and because

0:17:46.430,0:17:51.620
we’re gonna a lot a lot a lot a lot is

0:17:49.490,0:17:54.080
going on I think the funniest thing if

0:17:51.620,0:17:56.420
in as much as funny things can happen in

0:17:54.080,0:17:59.630
situations like this is when ABC was

0:17:56.420,0:18:01.310
busted today using fake footage of a

0:17:59.630,0:18:03.710
firing range of military range I think

0:18:01.310,0:18:06.350
in Kentucky which they claimed was

0:18:03.710,0:18:10.040
actually Turkish fight the Turks firing

0:18:06.350,0:18:10.940
on a on a Kurdish village I have no idea

0:18:10.040,0:18:13.460
what they would have done that when

0:18:10.940,0:18:15.170
there’s real footage of exactly’s real I

0:18:13.460,0:18:17.540
have one more comment about that you

0:18:15.170,0:18:19.850
just mentioned the basic yeah we have an

0:18:17.540,0:18:23.360
eastern turkey humor Baraka no three

0:18:19.850,0:18:27.230
when you know when Bush went into Iraq

0:18:23.360,0:18:29.960
the Turks forbid us to use that airbase

0:18:27.230,0:18:32.240
so we never just could not take off from

0:18:29.960,0:18:35.000
that airbase we had to go on the other

0:18:32.240,0:18:39.010
way now and one more point on this is

0:18:35.000,0:18:42.770
that we have 50 nuclear bombs in Turkey

0:18:39.010,0:18:44.960
and there are speculations and some of

0:18:42.770,0:18:48.860
the media that early when it could hold

0:18:44.960,0:18:50.360
these nukes hostage you know for some

0:18:48.860,0:18:51.920
reason I had the impression that the

0:18:50.360,0:18:54.860
United States had yanked him out when

0:18:51.920,0:18:57.530
there was an attack on the base but what

0:18:54.860,0:18:59.900
was made to look like a bunch of you

0:18:57.530,0:19:01.940
know sort of Turkish patriotic zealots

0:18:59.900,0:19:05.270
but it actually was probably on

0:19:01.940,0:19:06.950
uniformed military personnel they set

0:19:05.270,0:19:10.010
fires around the base and did some other

0:19:06.950,0:19:11.750
things I kind of imagined at that point

0:19:10.010,0:19:14.650
that the US would probably just pulled

0:19:11.750,0:19:17.090
our nukes out of there we should we

0:19:14.650,0:19:19.310
should have pulled that base out and

0:19:17.090,0:19:23.060
re-establish that somewhere else and

0:19:19.310,0:19:24.500
Iraqi Kurdistan or you know Saudi Arabia

0:19:23.060,0:19:27.410
UAE or someplace

0:19:24.500,0:19:30.200
yes sir or else fuck yeah Israel would

0:19:27.410,0:19:32.270
be good or else just focus on carriers

0:19:30.200,0:19:35.620
again thanks very much Barry Webb we’ll

0:19:32.270,0:19:35.620
be talking again next Tuesday

0:20:04.260,0:20:07.430
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