Brad Johnson interview with Barry Webb on Iraq from the Arab perspective.

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brad johnson here for americans for

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intelligence reform you can follow us at

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youtube under brad johnson or at intel

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reformed org here with Barry web senior

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fellow at Americans for intelligence

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form author and also NSA Arabist and

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what we were going to do is follow up on

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some things we’ve been discussing before

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specifically the reporting that has

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taken place the Arabic language

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reporting that’s taken place on what

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this tit-for-tat that’s going on between

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the United States and Iran so Barry if

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you could just give up you know to

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second kind of overview and then that

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what the latest reporting has been okay

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yeah to bring everyone up to speed after

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we took out cinnamon apply some of suni

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Manny the Iranians fired over a dozen

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missiles into Iraq I understand about

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ten of them hit but base called alassad

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which is in the end bar province that’s

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important remember that and several

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others fell on on a base up in Erbil

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okay remember that one because that’s

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going to come into play a night or two

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and bunch of others course missed their

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targets and so at that point everybody

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was talking about why was this World War

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three you know what’s going to happen

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next

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I know Sarah was interviewing a bunch of

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people you know it’s all this is going

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on and they had a guy based in Tehran

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Iran he was built as an experts on Arab

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Iranian affairs and just for perfect

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Arabic so I don’t know if he was a young

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Arab that was placed there as a reporter

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or whether he was a local Iranian but

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anyway he said that the IRGC had was

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saying that their attacks were extremely

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successful and that they had killed

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several Americans but then as

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intelligence began to come out that

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there’s no Americans or Iraqis

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were hurt in the attack only some you

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know damaged them a few buildings I

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guess Iran began to change his tune

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saying well we missed on purpose we just

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wanted to send a message but without

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hurting anybody and so both sides kind

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of used that as an excuse to back down

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and we did not respond to their response

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so ever that made everybody happy the

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stock market went up and all that so

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that’s kind of where it stood well yeah

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I would characterize it it looks like

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the Iranians basically got caught making

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all sorts of wild claims I mean there

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were 30 to 80 dead Americans and a lot

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of different wild things that were being

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reported they got caught lying and were

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sort of humiliated although obviously

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they controlled reporting to their own

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countrymen so they’ve got their domestic

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reporting sewn up and here on this side

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the President Trump came out and made a

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very strong statement said we’re ramping

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up new sanctions against Iran and you

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know if any American has ever killed

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word you’re gonna pay a terrible price

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so the the American president Trump came

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out looking awfully strong got the

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things settled where everyone was

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arguing you know this is this is going

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to spin out of control in fact it’s kind

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of a clear win for the president a clear

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loss for Iran although of course they

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obviously don’t play it domestically

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that way how about the the Arabic

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reporting from all of the Arabic

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speaking countries you know specifically

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Egypt and anything that you might hear

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out of the different countries that are

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relevant to this that are the larger

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players what’s your feel for what you’re

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seeing there

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well when the course when we killed

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Saudi man II they were dancing in the

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streets pretty much every Arabic country

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particularly in Iraq itself and you’ll

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never heard this and our beauty here but

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also in Iran and I just heard something

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last night when somebody on LRO BO TV

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was interviewing an Iranian who lives in

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America and she was speaking English but

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they had Arabic subtitles she said that

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you know like you know the Middle East

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where people were happy they baked

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cookies to bake cakes so an hour

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ran what’s happening now is everybody’s

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baking cakes baking cookies and passing

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this stuff out openly on the streets so

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they’re extremely happy silly Manny had

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been taken out and but did you know the

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media showed when they brought the sooty

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Manny’s body back into Iran they showed

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pictures of all oh it’s millions of

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mourners pouring out to show their you

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know their respect for Sunni man you

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know stuff yeah that’s all phony yeah

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there are some mourners you know the

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IRGC and people like that all the rest

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of that crowd was there buddy they were

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forced and the Iranian authorities yet

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argc use live rounds fire people if they

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refused to go out and show at least

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symbolic morning and they did the same

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thing as some of the Iraqi cities who

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have reports that of some of the cities

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than ever in our southern Iraq that for

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example in a nicer area there were a

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bunch of Iraqi Shia who were reporting

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us who’s me protesting against Iran and

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the the popular militia groups came out

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and used again life live rounds against

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the protesters for because they refused

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to show symbolic mourning for silly man

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so that gives you an idea of what the

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what the tone is on the Arab Street

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coming out of Egypt also and a report I

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sent to you of which I believe is on our

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website now a lot of sarcasm regarding

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the Iranian response and respect word

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from congratulating America for having

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made down in the strong move that

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America is now acting instead of just

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reacting I would enough echo that in

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Eastern Europe and a lot of the you know

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non-english language reporting that’s

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going on in the world that has that has

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been picked up and carried over I would

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I have seen similar things

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all just all over the world that

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normally doesn’t get picked up and used

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here in the United States that that

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United States has been shown to be

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strong and Iran has been shown to be

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weak and that and not for the first time

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that this is something that now is a

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pattern that’s in people’s mind and I my

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guess is that’s certainly one of the

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reasons why air gran was firing rockets

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into the desert hoping to kind of get

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out of all of the this is save face to

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some degree for their domestic you know

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consumers one final thing on this there

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is kind of another aspect to this that’s

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popped up and that’s the shooting down

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of this Ukrainian aircraft now this is

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something that you had noted previously

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in discussion it was a 2016 built

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aircraft so a fairly new aircraft not

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something that’s worn out and old like

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sometimes you see fall out of the skies

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in the rest of the world and it’s

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apparently now been said to have been

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shot down by a missile and what everyone

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is claiming is you know oops it was an

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accident the rocket was fired out of

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Iran Russian equipment we don’t know if

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Russia’s were on hand as any part of the

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technical support for the for these

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missile platforms but it was filled with

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Iranians headed to Ukraine which I find

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the whole scenario kind of interesting

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you know and I personally questioned you

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know an accident being the cause of this

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I know the program to fire off missiles

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isn’t where you know you you spill your

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coffee and are wiping the the you know

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the control board and a missile goes off

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you know or you lean over and touch your

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elbow to it the missile goes off it’s

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far more complicated than that and

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requires you know more involvement of

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humans to get this to take place so I I

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just find that a little far-fetched that

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it was an accident and I would suggest

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maybe somebody who’s on the aircraft

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somebody wanted dead conceivably the

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Russians or the Iranians had some sort

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of political enemy on they’re certainly

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going to Ukraine what support was there

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going on for the country of Ukraine

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which as we know Russia has a kind of

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ongoing conflict when they annexed the

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Crimea a part of Ukraine so there there

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is conflict in Ukraine and port Ukraine

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it seems every time we turn around

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they’re getting

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they’re getting kind of kicked in the

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teeth and are in the in the crosshairs

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for some sort of problems so just

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curiosity what do you see reporting

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taking place that just touches on this

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whole Ukrainian aircraft one thing right

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after the the plane was shot down the

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Twitter accounts in Arabic went went

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wild and mostly sarcastic regarding Iran

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saying such things as you can’t you

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can’t even kill one American but you

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shoot a civilian airliner with these and

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on and on that kind of stuff now what

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the official news on lrb OTV said and

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they quoted they were quoting american

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intelligence that based on satellite

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photos and went out that – not one but

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two missiles hit the aircraft the theory

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that has been cornered going around is

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that if you look at the timing this came

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right after they had fired the missiles

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at the US bases in Iraq and so the

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Iranian air defense units were on ultra

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high alert and they for some reason

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mistook this aircraft as a possible

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American you know air attacks or

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something and so some you know some

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idiot just panicked and hit the hit the

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send button there boom you know yeah

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actually you go back in time we did the

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same thing way back wow I was a decade

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or two decades ago when we shut down an

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Iranian airliner if you remember that I

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do yes and that was you know it was an

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accident so those things happen you know

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you can sometimes people mistake a

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civilian airliner for a military

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aircraft so but it does appear that an

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explosion of some kind constant whether

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it was a missile hitting the plane or

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two missiles or a bomb from inside but

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if you look at the debris on the ground

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when the after the plane came down is

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spread out way too wide for it to be

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plain

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magma mechanical failure for the plane

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to just fall if played from a mechanical

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failure the debris would be more

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concentrated one area but this was just

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spread out all over so in other words it

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just shows that I have exploded in the

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air and then all the debris came down

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over a wide area yeah agreed that that

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was something that’s been now reported

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yesterday final thoughts and also

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something that we had touched on earlier

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sulemani was taken out by a drone strike

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by by President Trump and he’s been

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widely criticized as you know murdering

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some poor innocent guy who is just a

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diplomat which of course now no need to

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go into that in detail but we all know

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that’s completely false a completely

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false narrative but under the previous

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administration under Obama this was done

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a number of times including Libya so any

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comments on that and final thoughts yeah

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you know took out bin Laden he was in

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here we took out a Loki and the Yemen

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and he was here and took out or helped

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take out Qaddafi in Libya it created a

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mess but of course he’s a hero

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yeah it just illustrates the double

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standard that the Democrats have but to

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add to make things worse oh I want to

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back up a little bit go back to Iran

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because Iran you know even now even

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though they back down a little bit and

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it kind of gave everybody a face-saving

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way to get out of this they’ve also have

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stress that they’re continuing to

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continue their you know their plans

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their project to get all American forces

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out of the Middle East and they’re going

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to do this by not killing Americans but

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by attacking countries that have

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American bases in them yes yeah we’re

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going to see more and more of that in

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other words they’re going to continue to

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poke the bear but never go so far as to

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bring about a direct response however

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they they they might up the

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again because of what Congress just did

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they they passed a bill supposedly to

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restrict Trump’s ability to respond to

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Iranian provocation to do and you know

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do things like like we did last week

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when we took out soda man so this will

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tie the president’s hands he cannot act

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as commander chief he cannot he cannot

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respond to immediate threats let’s go to

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Congress each time and of course you

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know what they’re gonna do they’re gonna

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leak it to the media so the enemy will

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know yeah now however that that

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congressional bill that was a thing that

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was passed is a non-binding bill so it’s

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it’s a political statement versus an

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actual you know legal restriction on the

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president so all right Barry Webb thank

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you very much one more things to go but

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the problem is the Iranians and the

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other nut cases in the Middle East see

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that as weakness and they see that they

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have allies in America

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and that the president’s hands are tied

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that’s the way they’re going to

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interpret that and they’re going to act

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accordingly

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you

 

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