France and Germany want Turkey out of NATO

Tired of Erdogan’s antics, France and Germany decided Turkey’s continued NATO membership liabilities outweigh assets. Erdogan’s meddling with Libya, Northern Syria, Northern Iraq, threats to dig resources in Greek waters and, most alarming to Western Europe, close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, seems the tipping point. Will the Sultan be taken down? Brad Johnson, CIA Chief of Station (ret.) weighs in.


another bit of very very rare but good
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news is that of all the people that I
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would least expect to want this France
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and Germany want turkey kicked out of
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NATO hard to believe it’s them what’s
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the story on this yes excuse me it’s
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very interesting a turn of events now as
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you know we’ve done a lot a lot of
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interviews I’ve done a lot of op eds and
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a lot of interviews concerning Turkey
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and for a very long time have been
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pointing out how turkeys kind of gone
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down this Ottoman Empire rabbit hole and
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they’re clearly I mean there’s just it’s
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conclusive that the president Erewhon
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of Turkey is attempting to re-establish
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the Ottoman Empire and we abused himself
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as the grand Sultan of of this new
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Ottoman Empire and has ambitions to take
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back over all areas of the earth that
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were previously conquered by the Ottoman
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Empire and we’ve seen that aggression
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playing out in places we’ve mentioned
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all of this previously but just quickly
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I mean places like Libya where he’s
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backing the government there and is
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essentially attempting to make a puppet
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government out of that he’s working in
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northern Syria and his you know
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essentially his militia troops are
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fighting Syrian government troops and
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attempting to take control there he’s
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going to probably drill in Greek waters
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trying to take the research capture the
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resources there and this probably will
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create conflict there and he’s been
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fighting in northern Iraq against the
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Turkish troops there at very aggressive
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just very expansionist which is all you
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know for him a straight up forward thing
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because all of these areas belong to him
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so all he’s doing is kind of
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reestablishing control of things that
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are already his so that’s what turkey’s
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been doing for a long time it’s what
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we’ve been talking about for a very long
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time
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and we just laid it all out in great
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detail now here what we’ve seen is that
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France and Germany have also finally
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taken note and Turkey is very aggressive
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in France and in Turkey use excuse me in
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France in Germany using the Muslim
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Brotherhood to establish footholds and
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begin to take control because he used
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those areas as something that should be
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under his control as well and so France
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and German have woken up publicly to
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this there are politicians that see this
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have clearly recognized the dangers and
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the problems of this sort of behavior
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coming out of Turkey and now for the
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first time the head the French one is
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the big one it’s been talked about by
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various politicians in Germany but now
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in France it’s the Minister of Defence
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in France that’s saying that they need
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to take a look at Turkey as a NATO
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member andreoz dress this and it might
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be appropriate to kick them out of NATO
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now if this were to go forward which by
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the way let me say I’ve also repeatedly
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called for that and this needs to be
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addressed and a serious look taken at
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whether it is appropriate to have Turkey
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under the present circumstances be a
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member of NATO if they are thrown out
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this is a big deal I mean it’s going to
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cheap cause a lot of changes in the
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dynamics of that area which is why you
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see a lot of people resist the thought
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of doing it but at some point the
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balance tips to where we’re getting more
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negative out of Turkey than we are
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positive out of Turkey and I think that
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tipping point was passed quite some time
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ago and what this resistance to actually
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taking kind of a zero-sum based look at
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the situation with Turkey it’s actually
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starting to be a problem now of course
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the people that resist consider
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themselves grand intellects on this and
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point out all the positives of how white
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turkey is important and not suggesting
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those things are not true but I want to
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clear lis stating is most of those
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people ignore the other half of the
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equation and that’s an enormous mistake
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and he goes or whatever it is that’s
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making people
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those need to be set aside and we have
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to take a look at this and decide what’s
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best for the United States of America
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and peace in the world and it does not
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appear that having Turkey in NATO is a
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positive net contribution to that so
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this is a big step
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turkeys essentially you know at ignoring
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it and you know hoping it’ll go away
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which quite frankly the way things go I
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wouldn’t be surprised if it is
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essentially ignored because the Pentagon
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you know for whatever reason seems to be
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firmly you know connected to Turkey and
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unwilling to kind of look at the
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situation overall and make a call and
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they seem to be bringing along the
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administration as well so there’s
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there’s resistance to that and of course
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the intelligence community you know
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doesn’t doesn’t have the wherewithal
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anymore to sit down and make calls like
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this and recommendations they’re just
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unwilling to even talk about the
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situations of that nature so all of the
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main players that would normally be able
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to call for that here in the United
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States are unwilling to do so so that’s
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a problem but if this is led by the
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other NATO members and if you have
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France and Germany both calling to throw
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turkey out of NATO and that’s that might
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be impetus and if they can gain some
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other votes which they could if they
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made up their mind to do so it might
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force the United States to follow along
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in this effort so I am you’re cautiously
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optimistic that this will at least be
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discussed and now one thing let me make
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one more thing clear I’m not saying that
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the decision should be made to throw
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turkey out what I’m saying is that needs
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to be discussed and considered as an
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option that’s also something that would
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be laid out under the table with turkey
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where you say Turkey you keep all this
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stuff up and you’re gone brother if you
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stop that then you’re it you’re gonna
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stay in and then you you put the ball in
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Turkey’s Court and let them decide just
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how aggressive they want to be on the
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world stage
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for this new out of an empire or not
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that would actually be my suggestion but
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that cannot take place until we have
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honest discussion and honest analysis of
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just how seriously wrong the situation
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has gone with Turkey
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you know I always assume that the reason
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turkey has been even in there even for
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the last 10 years or so was was based on
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that old saw keep your friends close but
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your enemies closer
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but to be honest with you I’m not sure
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where that actual strategy has ever
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worked for anything other than make it
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easy for your enemies to stick a knife
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in you yeah well unless you keep keeping
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them close to wipe them out you know
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militarily or politically or something
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is if that’s why you’re keeping them
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close then yeah and that can work but
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yeah just keeping them closed to have
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them close yeah I agree with you it’s
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kind of a failed policy
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you
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