Happy little daisy seeds in those mail packets from China? Maybe not.

What is going on with these mysterious, unsolicited seed packs thousands got in the mail from China? Some kind of weird marketing ploy? An invasive species guaranteed to increase the misery of 2020? A cure-all medicinal miracle plant? Why would anyone go to all that expense? Brad Johnson says it reminds him of another CCP story. You’ll have to listen to find out. What is your theory of the seeds? Let us know in the comment section.


july 28th we’re talking with brad
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johnson
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about a very curious phenomenon the
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appearance
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of unsolicited seeds
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from china that have been appearing in
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mailboxes
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across canada in the united states as
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far as we can see and certainly in the
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uk
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most interesting to see if they appear
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in new zealand i haven’t seen those
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reports yet
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but i think it would be quite revealing
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if it did appear in new zealand
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from a couple of levels and it’s even
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actually revealing if it doesn’t
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certainly appears to be in keeping if
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for no other reason
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with the chinese actual official policy
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of unrestricted warfare
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um which of course would be the only way
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you could defeat somebody
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like the united states would not be with
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conventional military means it would be
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using every other sphere of
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life in existence brad what’s your take
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on this
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on this seed thing you know i it’s very
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funny i mean it’s one of those things
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that pops up in many ways i’m kind of
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unsure what to make of it clearly real
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effort is going into this and and at
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least
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some level of of expense to get these
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things mailed out i
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uh the seed packets are everywhere here
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in the united states
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uh this started as far as i know maybe
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about a month ago
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and it’s hit everywhere including
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certainly the area where
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where i’m at just outside of washington
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dc or we’re in and
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inundated with these things and
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everybody’s getting them
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and they’re just they’re clear packets
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like this with seeds in it
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and it doesn’t say what the seeds are
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and they’re different types i mean some
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of them look like
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almost like little sunflower seeds and
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some are just little black
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things that you know you can’t really
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distinguish from any other type of seed
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but they’re clearly seeds
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and in the united states they’ve they’ve
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been found in florida virginia
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louisiana kansas
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oklahoma utah and washington the state
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of washington
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and uh in large large numbers and as you
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pointed out
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uh they’re in uk and canada as well so
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this is a
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at least an effort against the west the
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origin is china
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so kind of the question is why i mean
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just the shipping costs
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for shipping out what looks like many
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many thousands tens of thousands of
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these seed packets would
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would start to add up so why would
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anybody put that
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effort into it i mean there’s a number
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of theories and i guess the number one
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theory although there’s
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other things that could be going on is
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that these are some sort of like
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invasive species plant and they’re just
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sending them out by the
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gazillions hoping that somebody’s going
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to throw them in the ground and see what
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comes up and it’s going to create this
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horrible problem and be
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some sort of negative impact on the
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economy or something along those lines i
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that seems i don’t know i mean while
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that seems like kind of the most likely
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scenario
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it doesn’t seem all that likely to me
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what this actually kind of reminds me of
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and this is something we’ve talked about
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in interviews i’ve mentioned many times
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and i go back to the office of personnel
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management opm
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they got hacked by the chinese where
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they stole all of the
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personal information from federal
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employees both people who’ve
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retired from federal employment who are
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active federal employment or even
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who applied for federal employment and
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didn’t have to be hired
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those records were all there they got
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them all and so these are millions and
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millions of records which are
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very complete from social security
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number to phone number to address
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everything that that person of their
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personal information is in there even
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parents name grandparents names
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those sort those sorts of information
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are all included in
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what was hacked out of opm now what the
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chinese have done with that they’ve done
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a number of different things
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uh and pretty much everybody i know
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anyone who’s ever a federal employee
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gets these phone calls now
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and it’s a phone call in chinese and
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it’s a robo call pre-recorded call
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and i’m told i don’t speak chinese but
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what i’m told is that they’re saying is
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is stuff about how your package is ready
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at the
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chinese consulate and to come down and
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pick it up
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now just weird thing to say on these
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robocalls going to millions of people
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now
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what i’ve guessed is you know it’s kind
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of a multiple
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layered sort of effort by the chinese i
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mean why would they spend that much
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money just
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setting up these robocalls and doing it
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is it just kind of a harassment so i’m
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thinking you know there’s
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there’s an element of harassment an
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element of showing
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chinese capability to get to us anywhere
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and that they have all this information
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and maybe like some sort of long shot
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thought that whoever does speak
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chinese will understand that message and
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maybe they’ll be tempted to go down to
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the chinese consulate and
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get whatever this package is supposed to
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be hey maybe
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maybe it’s seeds yeah maybe it’s seats
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yeah maybe now we have the answer the
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other half has you know the other shoe
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has dropped the other half of the
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program is out there uh
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but you know i theoretically that would
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be
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soliciting people to volunteer
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to go work for the chinese to spy and
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the package would be money then in that
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case or something of value
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in that sense i mean that’s always been
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kind of in the back of my mind
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what i thought they were up to is kind
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of a harassment a show of power and
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influence and uh
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kind of a hail mary shot at trying to
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get
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chinese speakers to come in and
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volunteer but then the siege thing is
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very similar again there’s no
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real clear-cut purpose i mean
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doing millions of random robo-calls to
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somebody hoping they speak
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chinese to get them to volunteer i mean
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that’s a pretty long
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shot it doesn’t really make that much
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sense in the scheme of things i’m kind
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of
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grasping at ideas to figure out why
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exactly they’re doing it
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but this siege thing is very similar in
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that sense there’s no real
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clear-cut purpose there’s not a lot that
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makes tremendous sense i mean
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there’s uh and we kick this around i
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mean there’s other theories of what this
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could be including even like
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some sort of chinese company trying to
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show
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that uh you know that they’re mailing
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all this stuff out and then they’ll go
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back in
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and do fake reviews to build up reviews
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for companies and be selling that
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commercially
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or something along those lines some sort
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of commercial
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angle to this i mean there’s there’s
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things like that that it could be
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all that stuff is possible but none of
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it seems
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to make that much sense so under
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circumstances
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where it’s like this my personal opinion
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is that this
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this hack out of opm that they where
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they’ve been making all the phone calls
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and um these seeds and all of this that
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were missing
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a major piece that there’s something
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missing as to the information that’s out
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there because it seems like
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too much money and too much effort you
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know how many people have to be involved
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in sending out
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you know who knows tens of thousands of
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packages of seeds it just
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it’s and and like i say the shipping
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cost and
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all this the same with the robo calls to
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everybody why
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would they go to this troubling expense
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i mean it seems like a
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extraordinarily inefficient way to
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make some sort of power display in the
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united states and
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say you know 90 percent or more of the
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people that get these chinese phone
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calls just hang up they don’t know what
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it is you know they don’t pay any
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attention
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even in the federal employee circles i
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mean people that work in
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all the different federal agencies that
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have nothing to do with intelligence
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would pay
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zero attention to something something
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like that so i
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i it doesn’t really have a clear-cut
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purpose to me which makes me sort of
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question these programs
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like i said i think actually we are
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missing a very valuable piece i think
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it’s significant somehow
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because of the effort behind it but what
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that is
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i think we’re missing a valuable piece
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of information that’s going to kind of
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give us clues as to what’s going on
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one other little tiny aspect i mean this
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is
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you know not particularly important in
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the scheme of things but i know
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my personal phone number has been used
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and i’ve been getting these robo calls
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all the time
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and but also my phone number was given
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out
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to a what appears to be a criminal group
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it was under investigation they were
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calling out making threats
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things like this so and in one way i
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take it as sort of a backhanded
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compliment because
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you know it was a simple harassment by
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the chinese meaning they already knew it
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was a lost cause to try and approach me
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for anything positive to them so in that
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sense i take it as a
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as a backhanded compliment but
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nevertheless we know that those things
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are going on at least
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once anecdotally i know for a fact that
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they were passing those phone numbers
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out
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to other groups to pursue one way or
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another what that
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is supposed to do or accomplish even
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then i don’t know what
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what good does it do the chinese to
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steal my information
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give it to a group that calls me up and
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makes threats you know
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i just i don’t really see the point what
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am i what am i supposed to do
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differently than i’m doing based on that
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so
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again but still tremendous effort they
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take a certain level of risk by making
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these
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communications and passing out the
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information and making these robo-calls
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and all that
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i guess my one kind of conservation of
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this is that people who should be doing
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something about it which would be mainly
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the cia since this is
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some sort of overseas effort by the
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chinese against the united states
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to some degree inside the fbi but
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externally outside the uh us
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the cia should be doing something about
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all of this and not just allowing this
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stuff to go unchallenged but
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nothing is happening nothing’s being
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done to stop it
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i don’t know they’re just sort of
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allowing it to go forward with no with
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no response so
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again i’m i it doesn’t make perfect
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sense to me i find it very odd
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i think these things are related i think
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we’re beginning to get more data
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when we see what these seeds are as i
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said they’ve all gone to usda the
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the department of agriculture state by
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state
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are gathering all these seeds in and
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presumably sending
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most if not all up to usda and they’re
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testing them to see if there’s any
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uh other sorts of you know
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powders or anything that’s mixed in with
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the seeds or anything dangerous
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and of course they’ll be able to
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identify pretty quickly what these seeds
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are although no information has come out
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on that yet so
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i think that’s kind of the next step
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we’ll see what these seeds actually are
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and hopefully that’ll shed some light on
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why anybody would conceive of doing this
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well i guess all i can you know i keep
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thinking about something which was said
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apparently it was reputed to have been
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said by a chinese general during the
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vietnam
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war which is their claim was that they
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could defeat
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the americans by even if they just equip
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their soldiers with
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a fork and the implication was there’s
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just so
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many people that they could do minuscule
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little things
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and overwhelm the states and it reminds
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me of some chinese
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intelligence gathering methods which i
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think they refer to as
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mosaic where they just get all the
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information
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instead of looking for targeted
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information they have the manpower to
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just take
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all the information which is of course
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why we shouldn’t let them put in 5g in
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and then put it up on a big mosaic and
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then know everything about who we are
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what we’re doing
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so it feels like these things could be
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just
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as they see themselves as having
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limitless resources
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they don’t need to have an efficient
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attack
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they just need to have an attack just
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first yeah maybe that kind of
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death of a thousand cuts sort of
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philosophy just pick wherever you can
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and if you get one drop of blood out of
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it then it’s worth doing
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i mean that that may be ultimately the
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uh
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you know an unconventional warfare
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tactic that they’ve picked up to uh
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to try and just spread pandemonium and
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maybe the only reason for doing it is
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just that just to spread the pandemonium
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and absorb resources and effort on the
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part of even if it’s the us department
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of agriculture and the
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state the various states department of
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agriculture
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it does absorb time and effort and of
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course you’ve got
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people out there looking at these
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packets of seats going you know what the
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heck are these things you know what is
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this why should i
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what am i supposed to do with this is it
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dangerous or whatever maybe it’s
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that’s it maybe that’s all they’re up to
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is just thinking that that
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absorbs resources and spreads
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i guess fear thank you very much brad
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johnson very interesting
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best advice to anybody who gets seeds in
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the mail
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call the federal agricultural ministry
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or or federal police force and
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without opening the package turn those
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seats in
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whatever they are they won’t be they
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won’t be tomatoes
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[Laughter]
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that’s right
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do
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