Lawyer pleading guilty | he’s more than a small fish

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In Brad Johnson’s analysis of FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith is a bigger fish than we think. He knows a lot and may just testify now that he’s made a plea bargain.

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brad johnson it is august the 17th
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of 2020 and there has finally been
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an indictment or yeah i guess it’s an
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actual indictment over
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uh of somebody over this whole
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fisa thing now there’s two things about
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this which i
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was i’m hoping you can address and one
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is that
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a lot of critics of this thing have said
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well it’s going to be all
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mid management which are thrown under
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the bus and the
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key people who really are responsible
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will end up getting away with us
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so i’m wondering if that’s one of the
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things that can be addressed
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um and actually let’s just go with that
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so what do you think of the
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i mean it’s very exciting that
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something’s actually happened in terms
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of indictments
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but do you think this is going to be
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what people are expecting a kind of
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disappointing avoidance of the real
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people
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i think this is a very interesting
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development and first let me say
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greetings to everyone from
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uh sunny florida where uh i’m at a
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conference that’s
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uh un into the new covid regime which is
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done in a very interesting fashion i
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actually
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don’t always have a suit and tie on in
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case that was a question in anybody’s
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mind and here nowadays these conferences
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are done outside by the pool
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so that you have distancing and you’re
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in a open
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to the air space so i actually kind of
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find that to be a little silver lining
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to this whole covert thing
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at any rate to the serious point of your
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question
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uh eric kleinsmith is a lawyer for the
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fbi
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and he has been indicted he was uh
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originally
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found if you will in the horowitz the ig
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the
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inspector general of the fbi’s
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investigation of the fbi
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he was identified and referred to u.s
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attorney
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durham john durham then for further
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investigation
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he was further investigated and then has
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now been indicted
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now uh the to your point i think this is
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very significant
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uh he was only indicted on one count
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pled guilty or is pleading guilty to a
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felony charge which for a lawyer i mean
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that means disbarment and that’s a
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a very serious thing for this type of
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person in particular
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whereas like a normal person who’s not a
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lawyer who is just to pick some random
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job a plumber
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who has a felony can probably always
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still work as a plumber and if he keeps
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him
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you know on the straight and narrow
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he’ll be all right a lawyer who’s
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convicted of a felony is going to be
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disbarred
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and he’s he’s career-wise is probably
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pretty much ruined forever
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so understand the severity of what this
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means
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to eric kleinsmith the individual who’s
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been indicted
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a couple of other things eric kleinsmith
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as a lawyer well this all started off
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and
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and i mean this is the swamp stuff so
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this may not make sense to most people
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but uh in government in the fbi the cia
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nsa
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state department all of these things you
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have lawyers assigned to your different
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units where you’re working the divisions
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and so on
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and so that’s what this guy was eric
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heinsmith and so when you’re trying to
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do stuff and set up paperwork
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all that has to go through the lawyer
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from that department so this guy was a
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central key
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figure to all of this he would have had
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to sign off on it so for example
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peter strzok authors the uh
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the the fisa warrant the request
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for the fisa warrant that goes to the
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fisa judge to be signed up
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on all of that has to go through this
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lawyer so this lawyer
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knows exactly who ordered what and when
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so here’s what my take on this is that
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he was not
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severely charged i mean it’s it’s a
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serious charge but one
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which means that there could be a whole
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there is
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a whole list of things that he could
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have been charged with
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and was not so what does that mean
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we have to see but my i think the
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implication of it in my opinion of it is
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that what has happened is he’s made a
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deal which by the way as a lawyer would
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be
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absolutely a completely natural thing he
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understands plea bargaining he
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understands that process
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he’s the perfect guy to go to for a plea
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bargain deal of some sort
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because that’s going to be his initial
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reaction a guy like that
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does not want to go to jail for 30 years
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he would not do well and if you’ve seen
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the
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pictures of him he’s he’s a mama’s boy
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kind of guy so
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he would be a target in jail from the
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first moment and
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so he is going to make the absolute very
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best
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negotiated deal he can from the
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beginning i think that’s what has
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happened
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he would be a he’s an early on get him
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indicted right away
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get the plea bargain going and make him
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testify and
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he will then be flipped using the
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parlance of
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of the trade and he’s going to then
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testify about
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everybody else there so i would say for
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example
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he would know everything that peter
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strzok did peter strzok of course
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is the uh former uh head of the ci
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counterintelligence division of the fbi
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so this guy would know about peter
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strzok he’d know about all of these
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other people what the front office was
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doing
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and those sorts of things so he’s very
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well positioned his testimony as a
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lawyer would be
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really good you know he’s the right type
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of guy just in every way for this
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he knew what he did wrong from the very
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beginning so like i say he was
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identified early on
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uh he’s the perfect person at a lower
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level to testify about all the people
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above him
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because that’s how these things are
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organized in federal government at the
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fbi
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the lawyer for the fbi is the guy
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reporting to the hefes at the fbi
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so he would like i said if he got a call
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from peter strzok and said
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go do this make sure the paperwork looks
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right he would do it
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if somebody ordered him to now what he’s
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been indicted for is
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changing an email from the cia so that
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it could be used to justify the fisa
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warrant that was the crime whether it’s
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some type of fraud i’m not sure but at
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any rate it’s been reported to be a
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felony so it’s some sort of felony
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charge so
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he’s he’s clearly at the crux of the
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matter and i think right now he’s
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he’s made this deal and is spilling its
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guts and anybody who had anything to do
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with him at the fbi
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and other agencies because they
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coordinate lawyer lawyer between
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agencies as well and also
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foreign so if he was using if he was in
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any part peter strzok for example we
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know was flying back and forth to
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england to meet with mi6 or mi5 or both
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and the cia possibly
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so those sorts of coordinations actual
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coordinations would also
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include this lawyer so that lawyer would
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know a great deal about what leadership
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at fbi was doing
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and possibly about some of the foreign
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aspects and other
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agency aspects of what was going on so
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absolutely ideal guy to flip
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and at just the right level exactly the
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right understanding level
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all of those sorts of things so i think
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that’s exactly what happened and that’s
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why they’ve indicted him now
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and this is the first first indictment
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out of the durham investigation
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and i would say it pretends many more at
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more senior levels
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so i think everyone should take this as
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a real
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sign of encouraging sign for the those
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people at the senior level which was
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your initial question
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i think we can all take this is very
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very good
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so i’m looking this as a big positive
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so just to mix metaphors for a moment
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essentially he’s the keystone domino
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yes actually that’s that’s a good mix
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metaphor which of course is
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is almost illegal by itself but yes i
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think that’s a
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a very good mixed metaphor that that he
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would be aptly described as a keystone
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domino
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