Brennan says he’s not under investigation. That may not be so.

Not commonly known, but the DOJ can tell an interviewee he is or isn’t under investigation but they can legally lie about it. After a meeting with the DOJ in CIA headquarters, Brennan is publicly squawking he’s free and it’s all political anyway. (Ironic, huh?) The DOJ is saying nothing though. While still with his security clearance, Haskell, now head of CIA, told Brennan he cannot examine his own papers regarding the Russian investigation. Interesting, says Brad Johnson. But his 25 years as a CIA Operative and Station Chief give him inside knowledge you won’t hear in mainstream media. His analysis ties many threads together.

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brad johnson it is the 25th of august
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2020 and one of the people who
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everybody i know who really gets this
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stuff
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tells me is at the core of so much evil
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that’s taken place in the
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anti-state in the us is john brennan and
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we’ve talked about him a number of times
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but now you tell me there there’s been
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progress in terms of
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what’s taking place with him that
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there’s been interviews he’s been seen
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by people like by department of justice
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people
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can you update us on what the deal is
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with uh with mr brennan
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yeah absolutely of course john brennan
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is the former director of the cia
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he was the director of cia when all of
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this
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nonsense about the russia collusion and
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all that stuff got going
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and i’ve long said that as information
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surfaced it always seemed to have some
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sort of connection back to john brennan
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at the cia
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so that’s that’s made me say for a long
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time
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that it that all roads seem to lead to
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john brennan and that he’s the architect
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the mastermind
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if you will and i’m using that term very
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loosely the mastermind behind this whole
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russia collusion scheme that was uh
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you know that came to be through this
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political corruption that exists that
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appears to exist at the cia and fbi now
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uh
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a couple of things have happened of
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course we and i mentioned this in a
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previous interview that there has been
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the first indictment
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by the u.s attorney durham john durham
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investigation
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that person that was indicted was uh
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kevin
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uh kleinsmith eric or kevin kevin i
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think uh kleinsmith who was a
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fbi lawyer so his job was to look at
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everything make sure it was legal eagle
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and go on
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he’s pled guilty to changing uh
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a memo or an email that had come from
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the cia and added the word like
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not so they’re saying he is innocent and
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he changed it to he is not
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innocent you know it was a a as an
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example something to that effect where
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he was
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you know making the meaning to be the
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opposite of the way it was written
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so uh now in that atmosphere like i say
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the first
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durham indictment has come out that guy
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has pled guilty uh and as i mentioned in
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a previous interview he could have been
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charged with a whole bunch of other
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stuff it wasn’t so it leads me to
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believe that he’s been
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flipped and will be testifying then on
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the heels of that
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finally this is something we’ve known
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that’s been pending for a long time
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the former cia director john brennan
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under the obama administration
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was interviewed and he was interviewed
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by u.s attorney
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john durham’s office and
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at that interview interestingly enough a
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couple aspects of it really
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caught my eye one of them was that that
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interview actually took place at cia
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headquarters
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now that’s an interesting thing to do
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why there i don’t know
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but there’s a couple of things out of it
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that also are interesting
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and one i think everyone will recall
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that uh president
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uh trump had said a long time ago like a
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year ago
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that he wanted that guy’s uh clearance
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removed
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and now i don’t know what trump had
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tried to do behind the scenes but i
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understand he didn’t do much
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part of it i think is he doesn’t
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understand the way that the system works
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so
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president trump if you need somebody to
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handle getting rid of people’s
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clearances for you
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i can i can lay it out for you i can
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write the memo minimum give it to you
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design and
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take it to where it needs to go uh
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take 10 minutes at any rate that means
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since he was at headquarters the cia
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headquarters
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for this interview that is still intact
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now
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he has publicly complained that current
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ci
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director gina haspel has
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refused him access to his papers so
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not exactly sure what that means but
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apparently
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he with his clearance still active
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wanted to go back in and
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refer to everything he’d been working on
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for one reason or another
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the fact that he’s been refused access
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to those
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like i say is very interesting now i’m
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kind of putting breadcrumbs together
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here to form a trail
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but uh so the interview takes place
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there he’s refused to access
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he does still have to his papers he does
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still have his clearance obviously or he
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wouldn’t have been at cia headquarters
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uh and in that interview according to
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john brennan now doj has said nothing
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publicly which of course they would not
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that’s standard procedure for them uh
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but john brennan came out and publicly
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talked about the interview
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and he says that he was told he is not a
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subject of the investigation
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which by the way when uh
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you know general flynn was talked to he
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was told he was not
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a subject of investigation he was lied
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to on that in that circumstance
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and these investigators are legally
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allowed to lie
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to the subject and tell them whatever
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they want so it could easily be
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false information john brennan is not
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subject to the investigation
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and i think there are some reasons why
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that we can
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you know kind of conclude that it’s that
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it’s false so
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uh he’s also said john brennan came out
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and said that
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he kind of read them the riot act
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telling them how this investigation was
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political that they’re destroying the
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integrity of the cia
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and they’re destroying the integrity of
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the us government and on and on and on
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you know which of course is
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the same thing he always says which i
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have always argued that that’s
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that’s uh you know the old shakespeare
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argument he thinks the lady duff
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protests too much i think it’s one of
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those things he argues very
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vehemently about all of this stuff
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because he’s he’s worried about going to
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jail
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and so and and maybe you should be
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worried about the death penalty out of
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all this too
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uh anyway that’s why that’s pretty wild
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speculation but i think those things
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probably are in his mind
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uh so that’s kind of what was said
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publicly by brennan about all of this
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that
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he’s not under investigation he
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explained to him how they’re such dummy
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or even doing this and
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it’s political corruption on their part
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to do this which
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that’s irony isn’t it and
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uh that’s kind of what has been said
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publicly now again going back to those
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bread crumbs that i mentioned
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one of the things that that kind of
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catches my eye like i said is
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either you have your clearance or you
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don’t
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gina haspel is friends with john brennan
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and i that you know they traveled
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together
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to go to uh uh senator mccain’s funeral
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out in arizona when he died i mean they
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went together as friends
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so uh it doesn’t make sense that she
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would cut him
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off from his papers without a reason
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so what would be the circumstance under
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which he could maintain his clearance
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but not have access to his papers which
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is where we’re at today
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and the one thing that kind of fits the
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scenario is that
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yes he’s been allowed to keep his
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clearance for now
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but he is in fact subject the subject of
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an investigation
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and so they don’t want to give him any
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current access to these papers so he can
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go back
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and change his story or you know jog his
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memory as to what he needs to say and
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all of that
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because all of this stuff is documentary
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there’s documents to back up a lot of
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these things
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so what makes sense what fits the
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scenario
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you know occam’s razor the simplest
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explanation for this would be
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that he is subject to investigation and
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they don’t want him to have access back
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to these papers and so doj
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went to gina haspel and said you
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mentioned a word of this and this is
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obstruction of justice but your orders
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on this are
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do not allow him any you know any access
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to anything because he’s subject to
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investigation
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now again the rumors were i don’t know
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this for a fact but the rumors were
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that gina haspel had also lawyered up so
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this
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this is an interesting circumstance it
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would make sense if she’d been
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approached by
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doj said this is what’s going on she
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lawyers up
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and you know is prepared now that may or
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may not mean
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she’s in some sort of trouble or under
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investigation
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but it would be it is sort of an
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indicator of what may be going on behind
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the scenes with john brennan now
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again i mentioned this is relatively
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speculative in nature
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i understand that but those are what the
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circumstances at least kind of point out
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to me on this now
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we’ll see very shortly that a whole
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investigation is supposed to be
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uh or at least the main part of the of
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the investigation is supposed to start
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to come out here very soon we’re already
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almost to the end of august and everyone
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expects it to be out by early september
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at the latest
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at least the initial cut of the thing
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should should be out now apparently
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they’ve said that there’s going to be
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more coming
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i again
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tend to suspect this is good news but
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we’ll see it’s going to end very shortly
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and we’ll find out very shortly
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so by september 15th we should see
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something concrete actually happen that
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we can take the thing
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i believe so
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[Music]
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good
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After retiring from the CIA, Brad founded his non-profit Americans for Intelligence Reform with the mission of moving our intel resources away from politics and re-establishing espionage responsibilities. He serves as President of AIR.

 

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