Brad Johnson Turkey Greece Israel and the new AXIS

2020
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and uh turkey appears to be continuing
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its ramping up of animosity against
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basically everybody um what is it that
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you have for us today
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well kind of a couple of interesting
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developments and this is something that
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we
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actually talk about fairly often just
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because uh you know how
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aggressive and expansionist turkey has
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become under the leadership of its
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current president erdogan
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so uh there was something that yet we’ve
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talked a couple of times there’s been
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quite a little bit in the news but
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there’s a lot of problems going on
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between greece and turkey and
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essentially
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the problem is coming from turkey
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and or it’s been being initiated by
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turkey
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and turkey is claiming that in those
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mediterranean greek waters
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that the natural oil and gas
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resources that are in those areas belong
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to him
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and uh there was a quote that he just
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came out and was was talking about i
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want to read it says
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we will not compromise what is ours we
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are determined to do whatever is
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necessary
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and he said that at a ceremony
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uh just this in the past couple of days
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uh which was celebrating the the
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victory of the ottoman empire over the
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byzantine empire the byzantine empire
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which
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the eastern orthodox uh which was
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constantinople and
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where the uh highest fiat church is all
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of that stuff so
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when it got conquered this is a this is
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a celebration of that
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victory which also you know in their
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mind includes
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basically the greek uh waters and
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and and territories which uh the ottoman
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empire at its
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uh greatest extent controlled much of
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europe and
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certainly all of that area around them
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including the arab countries
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and so uh that’s how erdogan views it in
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the
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is in islam for for him
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uh and he views himself as the next
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caliph of a
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neo-ottoman empire
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he views all those resources as
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rightfully his
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and so this is how absolutely how wars
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gets started
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and he has and and his comments to
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greece he’s saying
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exactly that those are ours we’re not
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compromising on it
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and we’re going to do what it whatever
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is necessary to have what’s ours now
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of course the rest of the world
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basically doesn’t agree
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i mean that’s territory that they lost a
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very long time ago
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so it’s it’s not something that they can
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really rightfully claim
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under international law as it’s viewed
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today
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but this is something where he just
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doesn’t care that’s not his perspective
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he’s using
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kind of the ancient old style you know
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from
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uh by the way that victory from over the
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byzantine empire that he was celebrating
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took place in
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1071. so i mean that’s that is his
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perspective that those
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customs or rules or whatever from back
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in 1071 or what should apply now in
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2020 so uh i i don’t
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really see now germany has just gone off
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they’ve sent an
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emissary to go to back and forth between
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athens and ankara
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and try to broker peace and reduce the
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tension all this because it
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people see where this is headed but
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how do you you know greece is not just
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going to
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give up its territory and
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ankara erdogan doesn’t see it that way
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he views that as
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his rightfully his and by with holding
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it from him that’s an act of war in
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essence from erdogan’s perspective
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so uh now greece is largely i mean
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it’s clear what’s happening here this is
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an aggression by greece
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whether you know you can justify it or
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not by these
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uh traditions from islam you know is
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this kind of a separate issue but
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the uh the fact is that turkey’s
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essentially attacking
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uh greek territory to take the resources
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from those which
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again they think it’s theirs the rest of
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the world says it’s not
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in essence uh so kind of one of the
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other things and this is something i’ve
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been talking about many many many times
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for a very long time and
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anyone who sees these on a regular basis
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let me talk about the four plus one
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which is kind of the
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national security threat formula how how
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the world is viewed right now and which
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is
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uh you know russia um china iran
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and north korea plus the one being
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terrorism
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and i have long argued that china needs
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to be bumped up so a more realistic
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national security threat formula would
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not be the four plus one it would be the
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one plus four plus one meaning china
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being the greater threat should be
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separated out at the top
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and then uh replaced by turkey in the
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main body of the four so one
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one plus four plus one which would still
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be so china at the top
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turkey russia north korea and iran
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and then terrorism and this is something
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that’s interesting just now
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israel has come out and the former
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director of their mossad their
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intelligence agency has come out and
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said that
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former ally turkey with whom
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israel had a good relationship
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uh is no longer that friend you know
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they used to sell weapons to turkey
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those drones and stuff that
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have popped up in different places
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including uh
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uh and azerbaijan and the fighting there
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from
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turkey bringing them in and using them
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and
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uh this is this is uh one of those cases
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where
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israel has now said yes indeed turkey
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does represent a threat
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they are a long-term national security
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threat what i’ve been saying for a very
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long time
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and now it’s kind of officially they’ve
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i’m sure been looking at it to get to
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this point
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where they finally agree with me and uh
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and the interesting part of it too is we
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just comes on the heels
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of the agreement uh that was made with
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uh united arab emirates and that’s been
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in the press a lot over the past week so
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this kind of falls into line where you
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see this alliance beginning to form
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including israel and arab countries
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uh who view turkey
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greece of course and israel has said you
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know we’ll stand by you greece in this
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issue we’re on yours
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and so you see this coalition kind of
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forming around greece
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to protect them against turkish
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aggression so this
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is this is an interesting change in in
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what we had been seeing with now israel
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who is of course another ally of the
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united states
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uh who’s now openly stating that turkey
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is
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an ongoing threat now president trump
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just recently
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praised erdogan for these hostages that
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came out but i think what we see
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there uh they were these were hostages
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american hostages
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being held by turkey and they were
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arrested because essentially they were
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christians
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and pastors and people like that who
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were forming christian churches in
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in turkey and so that’s illegal for them
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and so these guys are all arrested now
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they’ve gotten these uh people out of
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of jails in in turkey and brought them
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back home
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so he praised erdogan for being
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cooperative on that which is fair but on
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the other hand
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it’s not lost on me or i’m sure it’s not
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lost on president trump that
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those guys were all arrested by turkey
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in the first place
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for what you know for being christian so
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uh this is a real problem forming we can
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see the radical islamic perspective
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really beginning to blossom in turkey
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and the real take-home point out of all
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of this is
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for everyone to remember is that that’s
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what
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turkey views is correct and right and
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righteous
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and justified and all of that are those
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behaviors you know being a christian
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trying to convert people to christians
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is essentially
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a death penalty for him and so he was
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by erdogan from erdogan’s perspective
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being extremely understanding to let
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these people go but he at least got them
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out of his country
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and so could save face essentially that
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way but then
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viewing these territories which as i
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said most of europe and most of
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all of the arab countries and most of
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the world around
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uh turkey today’s turkey
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he views those resources those things
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those people
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everything there as his and rightfully
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his
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and he’s going to get them back and
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anything you know that works against
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that is standing between
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you know him and god’s will and
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that you know that’s the simple truth of
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it so i don’t think these negotiations
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that germany is
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is uh uh trying to conduct
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to keep they keep peace between uh
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greece and turkey uh
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are are going to be successful i just
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don’t see how this is going to work
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because
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like i said greece cannot just give up
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this these territories to turkey and
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turkey
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things that rightfully they’re theirs so
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you just have these opposite
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perspectives
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and he’s everyone wants that stuff he
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wants those resources so
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it’s not going to go away it’s not going
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to change as long as erdogan is there
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alive and kicking and in charge it’s
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headed towards war in that region
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so i don’t see it around it at this
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point not saying that this is imminent
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in the sense that
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a naval war will erupt in the
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mediterranean between greece and turkey
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tomorrow but i am saying it’s more it’s
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now become a question
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of when not really a question of
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if uh there are some other circumstances
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there i’m oversimplifying of course but
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uh if enough pressure can be brought to
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bear by the united states and europe and
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israel and other countries and and some
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of the other arab countries
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who also by the way view turkey as a
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threat
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uh you know if enough pressure can be
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brought to bear by them you know you
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might be able to curb them and keep them
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in there keep them in a box
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but that’s going to get tougher and
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tougher and tougher and
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erdogan has consolidated his control
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inside turkey we’ve talked about all of
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that in the
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past and he needs those resources to
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expand
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much like i almost hate to make the
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comparison but much like
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why we saw japan go to war in world war
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ii
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they were very expansionist and they
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needed those resources
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from the expansion to continue the
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expansion so
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i i think that it’s it’s a similar logic
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taking place in erdogan’s mind and and
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he’s bound and determined to be the next
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grand caliph so uh i see
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dark clouds on the horizon we’ll see how
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it turns out i wonder what the turkish
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is for leban’s realm
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um what so would you say the new axis
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is china iran turkey
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well now that is an interesting question
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i
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uh yes that if you want to continue the
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comparison to world war
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ii where we had the axis of
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italy german the nazi party and the
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japanese
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uh imperial regime
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yes i i that is a very interesting
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comparison and certainly
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bears some uh uh i think it would it
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would be well worth
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kind of looking at that from that
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perspective because
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certainly you’ve got china and iran and
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turkey kind of
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squaring off against similar enemies so
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it would be sort of a natural
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i would say in that uh once again it
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would be kind of like the relationship
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was with
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uh you know the soviet union back in
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world war ii because russia is sort of
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the odd man
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out uh you know they’re not a natural
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ally necessarily
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uh but they also have a number of
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disputes with china they’re they’re they
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certainly view each other’s competitors
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just as russia views turkey is now
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a competitor like i said they’ve had
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wars through at least three major wars
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in their history
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and uh you know that that would be
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certainly an
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area where this whole thing could shape
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up very similar to
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what we saw between the axis and the
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alliance in world war
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ii uh with the soviet union then
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russia now probably participating with
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the alliance side
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