IO Episode 3 Rich Higgins of ‘The Memo’

General McMaster and President Trump

Who “invaded Omaha Beach in a lawn chair and a cooler?” Former NSA Senior Officer, Rich Higgins, now a Senior Fellow for Americans for Intelligence Reform, reveals the answer during this. L Todd Wood interview. Bringing his extensive experience and acute insight, Rich covers several domestic and global trends and events.

In 2016 and part of the White House, Rich was summarily fired for a memo sent to President Trump. Later, he authored “The Memo” detailing what he saw and what happened. He was Vice President of Intelligence & National Security for RED, LLC, a company that develops, tests and evaluates new combat capabilities for special operations, intelligence and irregular warfare missions. Rich is an expert on the nexus between theological doctrines and information age unconventional warfare and has spent 20 years combating terrorism.

His book, “The Memo” is available on intel reform.org

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burning in kenosha wisconsin madam
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speaker
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i rise to support the impeachment of
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president donald j
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trump
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and now here’s cd media’s host of
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information operation
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l todd wood and george eliason
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welcome to the information operation
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while we where we try to tell the
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american people really what’s happening
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uh with this
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massive military-grade psyop that’s
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going on
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against the population today we have
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rich higgins who has a
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multi-decade career as an army officer
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in the pentagon and then a defense
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contractor and then finally with the
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national security council where he was
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an adviser to president trump
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he was fired uh a few years into that uh
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for writing a memo where he outlined the
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sedition and
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the coup that was going on against the
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president here’s the book by the way the
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memo
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we’ll get into that a lot welcome rich
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thanks for coming on the show
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hey thank you for having me i appreciate
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it no worries
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so i you know i i found your book
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you know as a somewhat similar
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background very concise and it’s it kind
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of really told in a
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in a quick read what we all have been
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feeling for a long time what’s been
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happening
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inside and outside of of government the
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media
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you know education etc i i feel like
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it’s all coordinated and
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and really an infinite information
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operation is why we
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started this show but if you could give
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us kind of an overview of your career
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and
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and what you what got you to this point
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and you do a good job of it in the book
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but
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maybe it’ll entice our readers to to go
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pick it up
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uh yeah look um i really appreciate you
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bringing me here today
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and uh you know the this is my first
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time ever writing a book
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you know i i’m i’m probably like
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yourself you know it’s
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there’s kind of an adjustment period of
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becoming kind of more public
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with our experiences right it’s it’s
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true i’m i’m still getting used to that
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so if i i’m if i’m reluctant in some
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areas you understand why
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but uh yeah in a nutshell uh i was an
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army eod officer
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actually a non-commissioned officer when
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i first first
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served ended up leaving the army in 2000
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went to work for the justice department
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all this is laid out inside the book
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uh ended up responding to the 9 11
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attacks
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in new york city the day after wanted to
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get back into the fight
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ended up in the defense department
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working inside the counterterrorism
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tech black ops world for about 10 years
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and uh you know the the thing i i’m
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trying to tell in the book is
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uh you know and i titled it the memo
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because you know having supported
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trump in the 2016 campaign uh
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i wanted to uh i wanted to give people
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um a picture how somebody who kind of
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comes from the national security
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community
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uh of the deep state if you will yeah
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how does somebody
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how does somebody that comes from that
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community come to support a donald trump
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right and uh what was it about donald
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trump that
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that spoke to something that i’d seen
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that i’d experienced and candidly uh you
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know
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you get down into the ranks of the
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military there’s a lot of people that
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support the man
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and i i was trying to i was trying to
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give voice to some of that
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um and so you know and
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when you’re reading the book i think
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what i want people to to take away from
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it isn’t
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it isn’t a look what i did book at all
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uh the book was really a labor of love
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because i think
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i wanted to use my story to tell all of
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our story
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you know why would a veteran who’s a
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maga guy yeah um
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back this donald trump this businessman
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from queens right
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right and uh i think that yeah the blue
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collar billionaire and you see the
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you know i could have written a really
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technical book about
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you know special operations and black
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ops it’s not that
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i wrote it purposely in a way that i
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hope is accessible not just the veterans
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although
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veterans and police officers i’m sure
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will enjoy it it’s written for the
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general public
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and for people who are trying to
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understand what is going on in our
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country today
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yeah as i said it’s i
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i know i have and a lot of my friends
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have had just this feeling for some time
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that something is happening and it’s
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really only come
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i guess to fruition in the last six
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months to a year where you really see
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all the pieces
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put together where you where you have
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you know what’s been happening in the
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fbi
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the our intelligence agencies uh the
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media education in government the state
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department you know we’ve done a lot in
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ukraine and what’s been going on in
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there
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with the state department as far as
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supporting soros and elsewhere and that
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agenda
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is just fascinating and frightening but
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um
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so can you tell us what happened to
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you in the white house um you know you
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started
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seeing what was going on i know you
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write in the book that you felt that
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some people needed to be
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to be removed were you successful at
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that at all and
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you know how did that process play out
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well i was successful at getting myself
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removed so
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i think i think you have uh i think yeah
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you take the wins where you can get them
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uh i think you’ll see that the
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i think the best way to explain what
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happened to the white house the white
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house was kind of the culmination
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you know the book begins with this story
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right and it kind of cycles back to it
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right but i think um having supported
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the president through the campaign
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um and you know i was one of his
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counterterrorism advisors i was one of
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his surrogates at the republican
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national convention
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a lot of politics and drama involved
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there where i thought things really
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started to come off the rails i mean we
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you know we saw the rush hack the
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election the hillary nonsense throughout
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the campaign
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but where it became alarming was right
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after uh the election you know november
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9th if you will
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sure um you would expect in normal times
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those sort of campaign
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shenanigans to recede right and to go
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away
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yeah where this time we saw it
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escalating
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so the transition period is really where
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i think i
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kind of queued on something is wrong
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here a lot of that was
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planned obviously the women’s march and
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all that stuff that happened
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right so it’s it’s what we saw was this
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coordinated
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massive and you know you’re pretty sure
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it’s perfectly named an information
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operation a counterintelligence
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information operation that instead of uh
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receding and kind of backing off
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you know accelerated and and magnified
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you know as the as the preparations
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began for him to assume office in
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january and so
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you know i was throwing red star
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clusters up where i could
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uh and warning you know various people
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around the campaign but i think there
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was no context for them to understand
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this this just wasn’t the way things
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were done
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i remember a very specific conversation
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i had with jeff sessions about this
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and i said to him sir you know the fbi
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is up to some stuff
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you know we’ve got these concerns these
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people have gone inside the transition
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he said oh rich don’t worry about that
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i’m sure the fbi is all over it
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and you know looking back
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so january 20th comes around and uh he
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takes office
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and you remember in the first couple of
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weeks there you saw you know the
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telephone call with the mexican
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president
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the telephone call with the australian
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president and you’re saying yourself
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what is going on here and
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you know i’m harkening back to 2002 2003
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this is the stuff we would do to saddam
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hussein right right we would make
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telephone calls from his generals
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showing they were plotting to overthrow
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him whether it was true or not i mean
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this is just you know classic deception
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type stuff right
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right and so we we sat there
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and and um you have to get past that
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initial
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shock of what’s going on around you and
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uh finally once we kind of got past that
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initial shock you know by
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by mid-february general flynn’s gone uh
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you know ezra cohen as you’ll see in the
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the new movie that’s out ezra cohen
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finds out about all these unmasking
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abuses that had transpired it really we
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really at that point dug in
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we knew we were in a real fight that the
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presidency itself was at risk
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and uh i didn’t feel like the political
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leadership in the national security
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council could be trusted particularly
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h.r mcmaster i thought he was a terrible
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choice as the national security adviser
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he represented everything that the
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president ran against um
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and i think uh you know we knew we
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couldn’t go to him with this
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so what i what i had done and the reason
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the book is titled the memos i wrote
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this
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uh memorable warning the president about
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the you know the
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i’ll call them the forces arrayed
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against them and the structure
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of of of um they’ll call it the order of
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battle of what those forces were trying
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to accomplish who was behind it why they
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were behind it
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and i tried to do it in a short and
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concise way as possible
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um you know general mcmaster got a hold
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of that memo
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at some point and i was you know i tell
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people all the time my feet didn’t hit
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the ground you know i was
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i was swooshed off that finally happened
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in july when they figured out it was me
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um yeah but but part of the battle that
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went on inside the national security
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council was one where
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we had uh you know in normal times i
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think you would see this
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you would have a kind of a peaceful
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transition within the national security
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community itself but foreign policy had
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been at the absolute forefront
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of of the president’s campaign in 2016
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where
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you know we were going into year 15 in
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afghanistan you know where
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you know these endless war against isis
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that just goes on and on and on in syria
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um you know a uh uh
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ostrich strategy of dealing with the the
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chinese in terms of their informational
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warfare and
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uh their non-kinetic warfare right yeah
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and so
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the president was he was battling these
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institutional norms
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and what i saw happening and this isn’t
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necessarily uh uh
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you know i’m not trying to knock on h.r
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mcmaster and the same is true for uh
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john bolton
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they thought their job was to tell the
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president what these institutions
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would do all right we see that now with
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general milley
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and my understanding of the national
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security council and general keith
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kellogg said this often remember you
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staff the president
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he is your boss right right and your job
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exactly he is he is there our job is to
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tell the institutions
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what he wants to do exactly not the
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other way around
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so the communications pathway had been
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inverted through this quote-unquote
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interagency process uh and everybody
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talks about the process you know talk
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about a statist
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term right the process it sounds like
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something right out of 1984 moscow
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you will follow the process comrade
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right and so here here
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here we are um you know with um overt
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uh subversion taking place uh files
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going missing meetings being
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subverted uh documents missing telephone
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calls leaking
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clearly uh we had you know we had
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crossed the rubicon
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yeah definitely so you you talk in the
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book about how mcmaster was really
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pushing this islamic
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is a religion of peace issue um can you
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talk about that a little bit it wasn’t
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just him obviously but it’s
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it’s permeated the whole the military i
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know for sure in the state department as
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well
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yeah i’m gonna i’m gonna say if i’ll
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tell you flat out this
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this and this really bothers me okay and
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it’s it goes to the immaturity
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um there’s an immaturity that that comes
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with these leftist multiculturalist
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ideas
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right i have a lot of muslim friends i
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have a lot of muslim friends in iraq and
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afghanistan and other places
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and one of the things they like about me
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is that i actually take the time to
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learn the rules
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right because once you know the rules in
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their world view they can speak more
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candidly to you
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what are they supposed to be saying not
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saying when are they breaking their
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rules when are they not breaking the
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rules right when
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are you gonna are you gonna uh betray
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their confidences
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right and so our ignorance of islam
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uh it shows i mean there are there are
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1400 years of islamic history to study
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okay much of it in conflict with the
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west and western civilization
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my point was always inside the community
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just don’t go blindly into this
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right and you know you look back and and
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the colonial countries
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especially france uh which had uh you
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know a tremendous amount of experience
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in dealing with the middle east right
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with the ottomans dealing with north
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africa
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um you know shirai isharak was warning
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us back in 2003. you’re going to go
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there and turn it into a democracy you
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do realize it’s an islamic country right
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and we just you know we made fun of them
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and we said freedom fries and
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you know some of our great fingers all
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that stuff yeah exactly
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and then so then you had like great
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american scholars from places like
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harvard samuel huntington
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i mean this guy was a you know a genius
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in many respects
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he was immediately dismissed and taken
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off the board because he didn’t comport
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with the politically correct narrative
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now h.r mcmaster just fell right into
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that same old
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rubric right yeah for whatever reason i
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don’t want to assess his motives but
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when you are
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when you are willing to strategically
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blind yourself like that
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um you deserve what happens well it’s
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kind of an intellectual dishonesty i
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mean that’s the way i put it
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when i talk to people on the left i mean
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it’s will willful
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of course um but tell me about sessions
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i mean what what do you think his
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motivations were you were close to him
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at that point
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a lot of people think he was a bad actor
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others think he was just
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you know not smart enough i mean where
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do you put him in that whole
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that whole charade as far as i think he
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was a great
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yeah go ahead oh i think i think i’m a
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little bit more um
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i’m a little bit more defensive of him
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only in so far as he was one of the
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first people that brought me into the
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campaign
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and his staff and um
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my read on him is that he wasn’t a bad
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guy he was a good senator
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he he invaded omaha beach
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with a lawn chair and a cooler okay he
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had no
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idea what he was going into um in normal
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times he
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in in normal times he would have had a
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difficult time
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bringing the bureaucracy bearing the
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bureaucracy to heal he just
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had no experience managing a you know a
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bureaucracy with tens of thousands of
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people
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and massive institutional interests and
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tremendous power
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right yeah um so he in normal times
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would have had a hard time in this
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you know he he had his bud light and his
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lawn chair and his umbrella
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walking up omaha breech beach into an
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mg-42 nest right and then
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i mean yeah it’s just abs absolutely and
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yeah i think all and candidly in his
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defense
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and uh general flynn i think as well and
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in all of us
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we were all in over our head yeah none
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of us anticipated what we walked into
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it took a while for everybody to figure
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it out i think candidly i told i told
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the president this and i’ll tell you
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this
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um his decision to fire comey was
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decisive it’s the only thing that saved
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his presidency in my opinion
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and people will say oh no that’s how the
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special the special counsel would have
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the special console was a contingency
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operation for them right
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they never wanted to have to do it it
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forced their hand
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and they all got in the boat because
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they still thought they were going to
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pull it out
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which is why weissman was really running
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the show i think
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um history is going to be really unkind
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to these people
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uh i i think these these cousters i like
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to call them the koosters but you know
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team coup
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if you will uh history is going to turn
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them to stone
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for what they did i think you’re right
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and i agreed with another thing in your
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book where you said that
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trump’s hiring process was his one
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achilles hill that really
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hurt him for the first three four years
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of the first
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i term you see that changing now as we
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absolutely has changed
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you know absolutely it’s changed johnny
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mackenzie is uh
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people people ding on him because he’s
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young but he’s a hundred percent maga
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he understands the issues of the past
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he’s still learning kind of some of the
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institutional nuances
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but he has uh he has figured out i think
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the vetting process by which you can
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assess someone’s
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not not necessarily fidelity to the
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president
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okay fidelity to the constitution the
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rule of law
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doing the right thing getting the
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mission right i i think the the media
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the media likes to
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to castigate manga people as sort of
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trump sycophants or something
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but that’s not actually the case most of
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us just want to do the right thing do
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the mission get the job done
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you know self-reliance independence all
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those american kind of principles
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believe in the agenda
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yeah johnny reflects that what i thought
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what i think happened initially is
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you know the president’s a businessman a
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real estate guy from queens
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okay he is um he is
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walking into an organization i mean what
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are there three and a half million
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employees of the federal government
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worldwide i mean it’s just mind-boggling
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yeah and the scale of it he was really
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dependent upon finding help but the guy
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i mean
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and um the guy i think who nailed it
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right off the bat was
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uh steve bannon uh yeah it’s pack in
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2017 where he said
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the stat you know the staffing and the
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decision to rely on the republican
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national committee
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to help staff the administration was the
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original sin
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of the administration it affected
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everything else
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and i think um he has learned that
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lesson
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uh but politics is what it is i mean
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it’s it’s contact sport you know
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here he is a businessman he thinks okay
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i’m the president now i can go be the
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president
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look you’re the president you get to
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celebrate your reelection for about 10
18:38
minutes
18:39
your election for 10 minutes and then
18:41
you’re right back into the political
18:42
fight
18:43
right i don’t think he fully
18:45
comprehended just how hard of a contact
18:47
sport it really is
18:49
but you think he’s there now oh
18:52
absolutely he’s there now
18:53
yeah okay you know both of us were
18:57
former military officers
18:59
i take offense to what i see happening
19:02
in the u.s military you know you still
19:04
have a lot of this
19:05
critical race theory being taught you
19:08
have a lot of the generals
19:10
during the obama administration were
19:12
actually purged
19:14
you know uh general ham in africa after
19:17
the benghazi incident was one example
19:20
and now you see secretary of defense
19:23
esper and general
19:24
milley the joint chief jon chairman
19:26
openly defined the president
19:28
just recently multiple times in a row uh
19:32
what are your thoughts about that it’s
19:34
shocking to me and offensive
19:38
uh i think that we’ve reached a point
19:41
you know
19:41
where um
19:44
much like we have to ask ourselves you
19:47
know when the fbi was spying on the
19:49
president-elect and then the president
19:51
you know trying to remove
19:52
him from office on whose behalf were
19:54
they working
19:55
right um this is where i’m at with esper
19:58
and millie
19:58
right whose behalf are they actually
20:00
working right yeah i mean the american
20:02
people put this president in office for
20:04
a reason
20:05
one of them was to get us out of
20:06
afghanistan pretty clearly was one of
20:09
them
20:09
and yet here we are uh four years into
20:12
his administration
20:13
and uh he’s still struggling to get that
20:15
done and and
20:16
in the world you and i occupied the
20:18
commander-in-chief said it happened
20:20
it happened period instantly right
20:23
yeah and uh it’s a it’s just i think it
20:26
goes to
20:27
um the very deep state culture i hate
20:30
that term by the way it’s so
20:31
conspiratorial right just sounds
20:33
conspirate the deep state it’s just
20:35
but it really is just it’s the
20:38
bureaucracy
20:39
operating without a rudder i mean that’s
20:41
that’s what you’re trying just does what
20:42
it wants it floats around
20:44
this potion of self-interest right and
20:46
and so
20:47
my my question is who is millie going to
20:50
general millie
20:51
general millie how is he how and who is
20:54
he going to be going to work for
20:55
when he resigns okay and the same thing
20:58
for esper
20:59
i mean what what is the post service
21:02
motivation that drives these individuals
21:05
and i think if you look there you’ll
21:06
find out what’s really
21:08
what’s really feeding this beast
21:10
interesting i think trump’s made it
21:11
clear
21:12
esper doesn’t have long to go i haven’t
21:14
heard him really
21:15
discuss millie specifically but i just
21:18
find it shocking but i think he hit it
21:20
right on the point there
21:22
who is there anyone else that you think
21:24
in the administration you may not want
21:25
to say it that needs to
21:27
be gone if you will does anyone else
21:30
obviously i can
21:33
i can avoid the political uh landmine by
21:35
just saying i think they need to do a
21:37
complete institutional reset
21:39
yeah i would ask for everybody’s
21:41
resignation
21:42
uh this is i mean this is not uncommon
21:44
right it’s just a courtesy
21:46
we want a courtesy resignation from
21:47
everybody and then we’re going to
21:49
reassess
21:50
right i would really like to see the
21:52
president take
21:53
um you know i’ll call it institutional
21:56
restoration
21:57
and make that one of his flagship
22:00
efforts for a second term
22:02
um there are some institutions that
22:04
probably need to be
22:05
either completely reset or just to go
22:07
away and be rebuilt
22:09
and then there are other institutions
22:11
that i think are easily salvageable
22:12
provided to correct change in leadership
22:14
i put the defense department in that
22:16
category
22:17
uh it needs to be reincentivized the
22:18
good thing about the defense department
22:20
is
22:20
you fire a couple guys for the you know
22:22
for for a reason everybody else gets the
22:24
message real quick
22:24
very quickly and i think that we you
22:27
know
22:28
we can start there and build out but the
22:30
idea and one of the things that scares
22:31
me more than anything else that we see
22:32
going on right now is there’s this
22:34
institutional
22:36
um i’ll call it indifference uh it may
22:38
be more
22:39
devious than that or hostile than that
22:42
but i’ll call an institutional
22:43
indifference to the fact
22:44
that you have these marxist ideologies
22:47
just yes
22:48
just seeping their way into these
22:50
institutions and they have been for 25
22:52
30 years in many respects but those
22:54
things are now come to a head and
22:56
uh they’ve been they’ve been just so uh
22:58
deleterious to our
23:00
overall capability what you see is what
23:02
i would call the citadels of western
23:04
civilization the citadels of the
23:06
republic the cia
23:08
the fbi the defense department i mean if
23:11
these
23:12
institutions aren’t safe none of us
23:15
are yeah yeah i mean it’s really crazy
23:20
so uh you know i i have been in the
23:23
of the opinion over the last year that
23:25
it was very obvious
23:27
uh you know late last year after
23:29
impeachment you had a roaring economy
23:31
the president was
23:33
on his way to re-election unemployment
23:35
for you know minorities was at record
23:37
lows
23:38
incomes were rising uh people were very
23:41
optimistic
23:42
and then we had this uh pandemic i don’t
23:45
believe in coincidences and i just feel
23:47
that that was
23:48
too big of a coincidence and then we
23:50
have yesterday two virus
23:53
manufacturers halt their you know their
23:55
trials
23:56
three weeks before the election on the
23:58
same day i i find all this fascinating
24:00
and
24:01
and to me i just don’t buy it i mean
24:02
what are your thoughts i think china was
24:04
involved i think they released it on
24:05
purpose
24:08
i’ll talk a little bit about china i
24:09
think
24:12
in may many people don’t know this in
24:14
may of 2019
24:16
china declared people’s war against the
24:19
united states
24:20
and um most of our you know most of our
24:23
strategists because they don’t underst
24:25
you know
24:26
we all in the west learn clap sweats
24:29
right
24:30
klaus which is like you know for
24:31
anybody’s ever been in the military they
24:32
can quote clause what’s left and right
24:33
we’ve all read on war
24:35
um but we don’t read mao
24:38
in the same way um and
24:42
mao is ten times the strategist klaus
24:44
which was i mean
24:45
the guy unified china okay but
24:48
he understands warfare is the continuum
24:50
of politics
24:52
but he has actually done it all right
24:54
and
24:55
i think when when i look at china um
24:58
what i saw happening in the bush years
25:00
and the obama years was this kind of
25:02
collective indifference to the potential
25:03
threat that they represented right
25:05
napoleon used to
25:06
say when china awakens the world will
25:08
tremble
25:09
and beginning in 2001 with the you know
25:12
the
25:12
reintegration of china into the global
25:14
economy you’re giving them five nation
25:16
status
25:17
we saw the chinese took advantage of
25:19
that and they authored several plans
25:20
china 2025
25:22
china 2049 and then most importantly the
25:25
one belt one road
25:26
effort and this one belt one road effort
25:29
is
25:29
um you know it’s the it’s the uh the
25:32
sync went on it’s the raison d’etre it
25:34
so it explains so much of what we see
25:36
going on in the world today because the
25:38
international bankers the central
25:40
bankers have decided that the
25:41
unification of the eurasian land mass is
25:44
central to their emergent markets
25:46
right and we saw this in the trump in
25:48
the trent the uh excuse me in the obama
25:50
years
25:51
they would talk about this concept of
25:53
managed decline right it was the managed
25:55
decline it was the age of china was
25:57
coming
25:58
well trump was elected to stop that
26:01
right
26:01
and so manage decline came off the table
26:05
and what took its place how about just
26:07
decline
26:08
so once they stopped being able to make
26:10
money off of us because the president
26:12
was implementing
26:13
smarter trade policies they became
26:15
overtly hostile
26:17
and what scares me is that the chinese
26:19
communist ideology
26:21
is aligned it has aligned itself with
26:23
the islamist ideology because they
26:25
recognize that we are
26:27
a blind b the democratic party has
26:29
embraced both of those hostile
26:31
ideologies
26:32
and see the money is behind them
26:35
right the money is backing their side we
26:37
we can’t even have the republican
26:39
congress uh or the the republican senate
26:43
uh you know put forward a referendum
26:44
condemning antifa and tifa still doesn’t
26:47
even designate a terrorist
26:51
must be behind the organization to
26:52
prevent that from happening not to
26:54
mention the fact that many of these
26:55
democrat politicians children
26:57
are members of antifa to include tim
26:58
kaine okay i mean that’s where we’re at
27:01
um and so when i think about china that
27:04
may 2019 declaration you had the
27:06
impeachment beginning we know that
27:08
they allowed travel out of wuhan
27:10
intentionally
27:12
one of the other things that’s always
27:13
kind of come to mind and i’ve questioned
27:14
openly on twitter in the past is
27:17
if you are going to do a bio this is the
27:19
problem for the chinese red is to
27:21
explain this away if you were going to
27:22
do a bio-weapon attack against the
27:24
united states
27:25
our policy of a bio-weapon attack
27:27
retaliation was nuclear
27:28
that was our deterrence policy so you’d
27:31
have to make it look like an accident
27:33
wmd sure right you’d have to make it
27:36
look like an accident in order to
27:37
release it
27:38
yeah so this is the great conundrum that
27:39
the chinese really ought to open their
27:41
books on right i mean this
27:42
this is the the danger of that sort of a
27:44
deterrence policy in the first place and
27:46
then you know we all know that and
27:47
for those of you who are interested in
27:49
the national security side you can go
27:50
and do some research on this
27:51
lieberman the guy who was doing the
27:53
research at harvard uh that was working
27:55
with the chinese and the two chinese
27:57
who were arrested at boston’s logan
27:58
airport they were looking at
28:00
the development of nano payloads for
28:02
embedding inside of coronaviruses
28:04
as a tailored weapon system uh or as a
28:07
delivery system for payloads that could
28:09
be
28:09
virally distributed inside the body
28:11
perhaps even targeting individual organs
28:14
this is the stuff of nightmares okay and
28:17
um our national security community has
28:20
really kind of played
28:21
you know again kind of short shift on
28:22
that stuff we we need to reinvigorate
28:26
uh that particular part of our defense
28:28
portfolio to you know because the you
28:30
know a threat
28:30
of the threat has changed they’re
28:32
willing to and
28:34
absolutely and i’m not saying that this
28:37
was for sure a bio weapon attack i’m
28:39
saying the possibility even today
28:41
remains
28:41
yeah and so um going forward i think
28:45
you know when you think about when you
28:47
think about these ideological threats
28:49
confronting us
28:50
i’m a big believer in the you know and
28:51
you’re a military guy i’m a big believer
28:53
in the strategic defensive
28:55
sure i think we need to focus on our own
28:57
house
28:58
and getting it in order and um
29:02
failing to do that right a failing to do
29:04
that everything else
29:05
doesn’t really matter yeah um and i’d
29:08
really like to see the president and
29:10
his because he is going to be re-elected
29:13
his new administration uh really focus
29:16
on the
29:17
getting the domestic part right and
29:18
beginning to to rest the country away
29:21
from these
29:22
you know these communist uh idiots
29:24
who’ve you know taken over the
29:25
democratic
29:26
party and they’re infecting our you know
29:28
our children
29:29
well they have to be confronted i i
29:31
happen to think that uh
29:32
their economy is not as strong as they
29:34
think it is you know i was
29:36
an on trader for a couple decades and
29:38
and i feel that
29:40
their debt is massive and that’s one
29:42
reason they were
29:43
incentivized to do something like this
29:45
to because they knew if trump was
29:47
re-elected
29:48
you know and the tariffs would continue
29:50
that they’re in real trouble they can’t
29:51
build cities fast enough to keep their
29:53
people working i mean it’s just
29:55
it’s it’s a house of cards uh so
29:58
speaking of the election and the reason
30:01
i started this show is
30:02
is there is obviously some type of
30:04
coordinated information operation
30:06
as we’ve talked about
30:10
how does the right go after this machine
30:12
this cabal this
30:15
uh people have to go to jail obviously i
30:16
think your point of uh consequences for
30:19
behavior
30:20
needs to happen and what’s coming out of
30:21
doj is not real
30:23
you know it doesn’t give you warm and
30:25
fuzzies on on that happening actually
30:28
yeah look i i think i’m i’m not a uh
30:32
i’m not a bar durham naysayer uh i just
30:35
you know i as somebody who’s worked
30:37
inside the community for a long time
30:38
you know mainly on the counter-terrorism
30:40
side i recognize these things are slow
30:42
yeah like just brutally slow like doing
30:44
good indictments takes time
30:46
and the scale of what durham has been
30:48
asked to investigate
30:49
is massive the reason i still believe it
30:52
is yeah
30:53
right right the but the scale of it is
30:55
is i mean it touches all the
30:56
intelligence agencies it touches the
30:58
defense department
30:59
it touches political politicians i mean
31:01
it’s just big
31:03
um if there were ever a case for a
31:05
special counsel this was probably one of
31:07
them
31:07
but we’ve had you know we had special
31:09
counsel fatigue by this point
31:10
right right and uh i think what you’re
31:13
going to see is
31:14
we won’t get everything we want you know
31:17
we’re
31:18
we’re not going to see everything that
31:19
we want i think we’re going to see
31:20
enough to know that you know people will
31:22
have paid
31:23
you know at some degree for what they
31:25
did they’re already paying in the public
31:27
sphere
31:28
certainly right oh and and i think i
31:31
think you know
31:32
i’m a i’m i’m i’m a believer
31:35
i think that history though is going to
31:37
really judge these characters right
31:39
um they’re going to be they’re going to
31:42
be fro you know andrew mccabe will be
31:44
frozen in history right there along
31:46
benedict arnold right right there next
31:47
to benedict arnold i mean it’s that it’s
31:49
that level of betrayal
31:51
and what’s amazing to me is they’re so
31:54
tone deaf um as to their own
31:58
malfeasance and corruption that that
32:00
they still are in this act of uh
32:02
disgusting self-justification that makes
32:04
it hard to watch them
32:05
right you know yeah
32:09
it’s it’s amazing to see true i mean i
32:11
agree
32:12
yeah it’s
32:15
so to wrap up um
32:18
i have one more point i i’m really
32:20
concerned also about our service
32:22
academies and i i keep telling myself
32:24
the term we can try to deal with this
32:26
but still today this
32:28
critical race theory social justice
32:30
cultural marxism
32:32
destroying the institutions you know
32:34
reducing the level of hardship
32:36
so that you don’t produce really you
32:38
know people who can
32:39
get through tough times i’m hopeful that
32:42
in the second term
32:43
that trump has the bandwidth to deal
32:45
with that or someone in dod
32:48
i mean do you feel that’s something that
32:49
can be addressed
32:51
or it’s it’s a little bit tough because
32:54
it’s education but
32:57
i think it’s imperative that it get
32:59
addressed um it’s not
33:00
unique to the service academies it’s
33:02
throughout the joint professional
33:03
military education environment
33:05
um you know i mean we remember a couple
33:06
years ago where you had the guy at west
33:08
point
33:09
caught you know he was wearing the chase
33:10
shirt right he wasn’t the only one
33:13
yeah and the professors knew and the
33:15
senior officers knew
33:17
and again it go the military is probably
33:19
the easiest to fix because the cultural
33:22
accountability model there is very quick
33:24
acting right you fire a couple leaders
33:26
for doing the wrong thing everybody else
33:27
gets the message real quick
33:29
and um you know this administration’s
33:31
moved to kind of address the threat of
33:33
communism we’re gonna
33:34
we have a massive educational mission to
33:36
kind of you know get people familiar
33:38
with the precepts again i was very lucky
33:40
i came into the military right about the
33:42
time that the cold war guys were
33:43
retiring
33:44
and i took the time to just sit and
33:46
listen to them
33:47
uh read the books they passed me read
33:49
the token archives read the sword and
33:50
the shield you know read read the books
33:52
about the cold war to understand it
33:54
and to get into the ideology not that
33:56
i’m an expert on it but i know
33:58
i know when i hear truth and um
34:02
that’s really what it requires i think
34:03
as far as the service academies go
34:05
you know we i think the na i think the
34:07
naval academy west point
34:09
i know you’re an air force academy grad
34:10
i think you know one of the things that
34:12
the maybe the president
34:14
needs to tell his post espersek def
34:17
is i want you to make a concerted effort
34:19
to give me an officer corps that’s
34:21
worthy of the republic
34:22
yeah and and that starts with
34:24
understanding this two things
34:25
number one is they need to understand
34:27
that the constitution
34:30
is simply the legal means but the actual
34:33
strategic idea the idea we’re defending
34:35
ism
34:36
is embodied in that declaration and you
34:39
need to understand the strategic nature
34:41
of your oath
34:42
and that is something so many of our
34:44
officers have lost sight of
34:46
well put rich thank you so again this is
34:49
the memo
34:50
uh rich where’s the best place to get
34:52
the book uh can they get signed
34:54
you can get it you can get it at rich
34:56
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34:57
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34:59
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35:02
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35:04
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35:06
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35:07
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35:08
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35:11
higgins underscore dc
35:13
at rich higgins underscore dc uh you
35:16
know i’m
35:17
pretty active on there lately sometimes
35:19
more than others but
35:20
uh going into this election cycle and
35:23
everything we’re expecting to see i’m
35:24
gonna be out there throwing some
35:25
insights
35:26
from a political warfare special warfare
35:28
prism
35:29
and i hope people can pick something up
35:30
there what can we expect to
35:32
see of you in the future uh
35:36
wait god knows
35:40
all right rich uh thanks for joining us
35:41
on information operation and maybe we
35:43
can have you back on down the road
35:45
thanks for ha
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