Update on Events in Libya

"We do not beg or receive orders from Turkey." Aguila Saleh, President Libya's House of Representatives

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brad johnson it is december the 26th of
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2020
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and uh some years ago obama
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the nobel peace prize winner and his
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secretary of state
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hillary clinton who came and saw and
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killed people i think she said something
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like that
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managed to make a complete catastrophic
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mess of libya which was a
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western ally at the time and um
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now of course i don’t know what it is i
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guess it’s just kind of like
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roaming tribal warfare between people
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with different levels of
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islamization i don’t know what’s the
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update in libya please
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yeah an interesting situation just very
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quickly uh
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the overview uh you’ve got the tripoli
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government who’s there who basically
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controls very little outside
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of tripoli some small areas there’s been
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some back and forth over the
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uh second largest town that’s not far
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away from tripoli cert in that area
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and so the fighting continues
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the the majority of the country is
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uh uh run by a formal
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former gaddafi general senior military
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officer under gaddafi
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uh who’s us educated and speaks english
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and
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uh you know is relatively friendly to
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the united states although the
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government in tripoli is the one that’s
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backed by
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the united nations for the most part in
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europe and and the united states
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recognizes them however
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it’s one of those things where we’re
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kind of you know half in half out i
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would say and
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not nothing no strong reactions on the
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part of the united states as to what’s
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going on there now
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general haftar has backing of other
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places particularly
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egypt which is a neighbor there and uh
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what has just happened is um
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turkey using the same tricks that they
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did in
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uh armenia and azerbaijan is also
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sending syrian mercenaries into
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this area to fight on the behalf of the
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tripoli government that’s there
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and what they’ve also done is they just
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passed
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uh in in the turkish parliament
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a an extension of an 18-month extension
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to continue to permit turkish troops and
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armament
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to be in libya and be active fighting to
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support the government there
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now what has happened is general haftar
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has has kind of been fighting these
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syrian
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mercenaries that are sent in and
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fighting the libyan troops run by the
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the government and and by the way this
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is an extremist government they’re no
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good for anything out there and a lot of
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trouble they’re the ones that have made
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these deals with turkey behind the
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scenes where they’re gonna
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they they share the swath of ocean
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between them by treaty
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and saying it’s their territory between
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them of which of course the problem is
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that greece
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lies in that that territory of water
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which you know oh that’s ignored
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and so uh they’re they’re a problem
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and need to be gotten rid of so in the
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scheme of things the world would be far
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better off if general haftar were to
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take over
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and finally house those guys now he was
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winning turkey stepped in to help the
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government in
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in tripoli and then uh half tar was
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starting to get pushed back and then you
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had other countries like
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egypt in particular as the lead but
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there are a couple other arab countries
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that fear turkey rightly so and so
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they’re also supporting this is kind of
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a
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a proxy battle for what’s going on
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between turkey
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and many of the arab countries so uh
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general haftar is now saying that
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something that they had not been doing
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is is straight up targeting of turkish
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troops
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he’s saying that’s going to change you
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know you guys have to get off libyan
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territory
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this is not a place for outsiders to be
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fighting this is for libyans this is a
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libyan civil war to be
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resolved by libyans which of course if
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they were left to their own devices
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general haftar would have won long ago
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so that’s of course what he’s pushing
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for which is also
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you know mightily convenient for him if
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that were to take place
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turkey’s not going to back down this is
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important to them for the
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reasons i mentioned with that treaty
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between the two countries for this ocean
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area
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it’s part of the justification that they
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have for drilling in turkish water i
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mean
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uh greek waters those sorts of things so
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uh uh turkey’s not going to back down on
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this now that is provoking
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egypt who very likely
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uh is very serious they’ve made threats
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about going in directly with troops
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if turkey’s going into troops they’ll go
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in with troops and
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egypt i think means it and uh they don’t
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like turkey they don’t like what they
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see turkey doing
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they don’t like all this neo-ottoman
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empire stuff that’s going on there
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and so it looks very likely that that’s
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the kind of this is going to flare up
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again
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and that that’s the way this is headed
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certainly the general haftar is getting
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a lot of backing out of this
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and if he starts to attack turkish
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troops it’s going to be a
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a fairly large escalation which as a
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result i think you’d see
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egypt come in turkey and the
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the libyan army in tripoli that’s there
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is small not very good
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they would be gone as i said long ago
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without turkey
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so uh and i don’t think
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uh turkey without a massive commitment i
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mean and really a massive commitment
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the support that they’re providing in
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libya could not stand up
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to any sort of determined assault by
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general haftar
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and uh backed and strengthened i’ll put
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it that way with
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turkish with uh uh egyptian forces
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so uh that’s one of those things if that
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happens i would say
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tripoli is gone without massive massive
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intervention
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and it’s it’s further for turkey it’s
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not that easy for them to get in
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in in a big way they’re not adjacent
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countries
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like egypt is there so that would be
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something very easy for them to do
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so turkey would be in a real
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disadvantage they would have to
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escalate this to kind of a full-scale
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regional war
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i and kind of the reason i want to do
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the update on that is
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is essentially that i would say there is
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a small
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chance not a big chance but a small
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chance
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that this could flare up into regional
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conflict of that nature where you’d have
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several arab countries facing off
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against turkey who would have to
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probably attack them directly in order
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to win if you will in
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in libya so there is a small chance of
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that we’re not near that point yet
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but these are the things that have to
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happen in order to that
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to see that regional conflict take off
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and so those pieces are starting to fall
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into place
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my personal opinion is out of all of
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this that
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turkey would not be willing to go into
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that large of a regional conflict it
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would be
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horribly destructive to them they don’t
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have any backing by anybody else to do
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it
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i don’t think nato would come to their
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rescue for what they’re doing in libya
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and it kind of escalating out of control
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that’s not a nato type conflict and it
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and the aggressor out of this
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is in fact turkey so uh
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my my best estimate now would be that
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what you’d have happen is
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uh if if egypt comes in with a
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determined effort
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you’re going to have tripoli fall and uh
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and that would be an enormous setback
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for turkish president erdogan
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but i don’t think he’s got the i just
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don’t think he would be willing to go to
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the next stage
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and try to fight these guys now and you
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know invade and
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try to try to stop egypt from
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intervening and those sorts of things
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and to bring in
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massive amount of troops that would then
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be required into libya to fight directly
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against
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egyptian troops and things like that i i
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just don’t see him being willing to go
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that far
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conceivable but but i would say
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improbable but nevertheless one of those
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problem areas that has to be watched
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and certainly i i would say the fighting
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there is on its way to escalate so
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it’s one of those libya is one of those
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troubled areas to keep our eyes on
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