Unstructured’s Eric Hunley interviews Brad Johnson on turbulent times

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all right
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we are live and i am with the presidents
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for
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americans for intelligence reform is
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that correct
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brad johnson now brad
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i’m listening to myself which is very
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annoying
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um sorry brad you were a station chief
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at the cia and i always loved to go into
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because i
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i understand there’s three basic legs of
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the cia
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where you have um operations
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officers analysts and security officers
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is that correct or true still
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well i you know i suppose it depends on
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the context of the discussion
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traditionally the cia was organized
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around four divisions
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the dds and t which is science and
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technology
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administration and then you had
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analytical
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and operational and so that was that’s
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the traditional organization and things
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have
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evolved i guess would be a very polite
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way to say it since the obama years when
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uh when john brennan was the director of
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the cia but he enacted a
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a modernization plan so essentially
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uh you don’t really have
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now it’s kind of an odd mishmash you
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have mission centers that he discussed
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in there
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and so every mission center does
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everything and everybody in there does
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everything
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so what you’ve essentially done is
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eliminate
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uh many of the sort of disciplines that
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existed within there
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now not being an analyst i’m i was the
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operations and so not being an analyst i
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i won’t go too much into them but i mean
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i will will say that was a
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a a craft into unto itself
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and it required time to get good at that
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sort of thing it was it requires
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practice like everything else
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and to sort of dissolve this now
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everybody sort of doing everything
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i think is greatly detracted from the
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analytical capability of the cia which i
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think has deteriorated
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kind of almost beyond recognition now on
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the operation side of it
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it’s more so it’s one of those things
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that’s it’s very black and white whereas
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coming out of uh world war ii we were
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founded the cia was
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of course founded on oss many of the
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less
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sorry was that uh wild bill donovan or
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something like that
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right correct the the uh the the head of
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oss was was bill donovan
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who is credited as being the first
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director of the cia even though
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that’s it that the cia came on board
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or was created after world war ii and
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donovan had never actually worked at the
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cia
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he nevertheless as director of oss is
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credited that way and
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that’s fine i mean rightly so i have no
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problem with that whatsoever
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uh but what’s important out of that is
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all of those lessons learned during
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world war
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ii i mean it was absolutely life and
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death and so
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uh there were many hard-won lessons and
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you know through
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blood sweat and tears literally i mean
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there were people killed as everyone
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knows in world war ii it was
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it was a real you know it was a real
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danger and so many of those lessons were
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very hard won
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and that was the basis of of what we
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went into
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with the cia so we had a great base
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there
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of lessons learned during world war ii
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and built upon those and through the
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cold war and everything it was one of
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those things where we really
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cut our teeth and all of that stuff and
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built all of that out
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and got better and better and better and
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better now i’m
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specifically discussing the operations
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end of things which is
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operations means those are the guys out
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overseas
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doing espionage doing the covert action
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doing all of those things that
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you read about when you talk about
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spying and so
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that cadre of people it’s it’s like
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every other business in the world
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and when you get really good at it as
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you get older
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you bring younger people along with you
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and they start out they have their first
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two or two overseas
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and they have their mentored by the
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older people including the chiefs of
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station
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and so that that depth of experience is
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is how they learn and as i say that’s
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like in any job
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well that is your time i’m just curious
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what years were you in what
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time period uh well i was i was in for
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25 years starting in the 80s
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and then retired you know about 10 years
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ago so
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uh been out for for a while now and
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uh that pipeline of experience is what
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created
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fully capable chiefs of station on the
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back end because they had enough
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experience enough training they were
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good at it
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and you know there are people now within
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the cia i mean if you can read the
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published articles where they talk about
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it where
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essentially because of the new type of
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employee of today that
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people are interchangeable and they go
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in and out and you kind of one size fits
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all you make
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you know if you need somebody to go do
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something give them a two week course
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and send them off
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well the abject stupidity of that kind
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of conclusion is almost hard for me to
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describe
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because this is life and death stuff
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it’s it’s not easy to be good at and so
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you need that pipeline of experience
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where people all they do is operations
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and nothing else so at the end of it
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they’re good
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and the the problem with that is now the
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way they’ve got it set up is
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people like myself as as my generation
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dies off
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that experience that was learned out of
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oss
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and during the cold war and up until
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obama years
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will all die and go away because they
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don’t practice it they don’t teach it
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they don’t learn it
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and and you don’t have that pipeline of
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experience
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that brings in the young people and
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spits out the experienced ones
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at the back end so uh it’s one of those
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things where
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analysts can be chief of station uh you
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might have had an ops tour here there in
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it and
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kind of like i said anybody who does
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anything and and uh
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if you start looking at the criteria for
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example that’s used today it’s it’s
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like i say the the stupidity is almost
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so
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glaring it’s hard to describe but uh if
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you
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if you have somebody who’s got a a phd
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in area studies as an analyst and
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happens to speak the language let’s just
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pick you know
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russia to have a country to talk about
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but it doesn’t matter the point remains
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the same
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but you know if they’ve got a phd in
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area studies and
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are experts on russia and speak the
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language fluently and all of those
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things
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you might look at that person and say
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well they’re perfect to be a chief of
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station
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in russia that’s who should go there
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well but that is completely upside down
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they don’t have the operational
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experience and as a chief of station
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what are they there to do they’re there
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to run operations not be an expert on
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russia
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to be an expert on operations and so
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that’s one of the problems with how
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things are done today so it’s
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it’s it’s upside down in a very
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difficult operating world
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today and what we’ve seen is this
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horrible degradation and capability of
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of of the cia and you know if you’re
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reading the papers at all you’ve seen
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where
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in case after case after case all these
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operations that the cia does
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are getting wrapped up and people are
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getting shot and things like that china
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for example the whole thing is is just a
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mess and it comes out of that you know
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as soon as you
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start to to do away with that expertise
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and operations you’re of course going to
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have problems with operations so
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uh what what what brennan’s theory on
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this was and what he bragged about in an
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npr
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uh interview back when when he was
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director
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was that that essentially we’ve gotten
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rid of espionage we don’t need it
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anymore
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and uh and of course there was a lot of
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pushback over that
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because it was so like i say i just
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wacky stupid stuff i mean very tinfoil
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haddish
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and uh what they depend on and you know
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is dealing with their foreign partners
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so
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if you want to know something just go
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ask your you know some country’s other
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service well you know and of course one
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of the reasons i founded americans for
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public
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for intelligence reform is because first
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of all i want to
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bring back the intelligence community as
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a whole but the cia very specifically
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to its to its greatness to where it was
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before where things actually got done
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and they were
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fully capable of of of going toe-to-toe
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with the world and i mean that literally
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there was a period of time when i early
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early on joined the cia
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where we as the cia you know no bs we
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could go toe to toe with the entire
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world
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all at once and i’m not even counting
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our allies in it i’m just
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we by ourselves could go toe-to-toe well
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those days are
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long gone they’ve disappeared in the
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rear-view mirror we can no longer do
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that
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and i want to go back to that period of
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time and the other aspect of it is
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is that intelligence as we all
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see so clearly today has been
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totally politicized and very weaponized
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and
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just absolute proof case in point is the
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fisa
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scandal where they took this this
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supposedly
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intelligence document called the steele
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dossier that was in fact
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bought and paid for by the hillary
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clinton campaign
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that was presented as intelligence and
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used as an excuse
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to spy on the trump campaign and later
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presidency
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by law enforcement and can we visit them
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for a second
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because there are some angles that i
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think um you want to go into i’m pretty
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sure the
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audience will be interested in as well
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sure um
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who was in charge of
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who was the station chief in i guess
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london at the time
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when we were dealing with christopher
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steele yes well
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famously that’s gina haspel who’s the
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current director of the cia
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who was very close to john brennan now
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uh john brennan i’m going to bring up
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another thing about john brennan
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i have a lot of people on here who are
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body language experts and things like
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that
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and john brennan is kind of like famous
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for being um shall we say kindergarten
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level body language reading when he
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testified and wronged the congress
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on how to see somebody who’s lying i
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don’t know if you’ve seen that
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about the oh we’re not spying on anybody
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i have it’s been a long time ago but
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john brennan uh was
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confronted over it and testified that
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they weren’t spying on congress later
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proof came out
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and he had to go to congress and
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apologize for having done so
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you know why i think kindergarten
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describes him well
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but why was that not um oh geez
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just perjury why was that perjury wasn’t
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he sworn in when he had to testify in
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front of congress
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i believe that’s correct but but you
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know
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the number of people in senior
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government getting away with crimes
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today is just i mean it’s almost a point
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of you know who hasn’t gotten away with
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doing something criminal
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so i i i my answer is yes i wish he’d
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have been punished for that he should
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have been
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funny for it at the very least he should
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have been thrown out on his ear
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okay and i he was certainly wildly over
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his head
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go ahead um i don’t know if i i believe
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it’s
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um oh john thomas picora i’ve had on
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before
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um not necessarily a fan of brennan i’m
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guessing that
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if you were still in you worked with
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brennan at one point or another yourself
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uh i’ve i’ve uh not worked with brennan
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directly myself no i mean i’ve seen him
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speak and been around him and stuff but
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don’t
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i wouldn’t i don’t know him or anything
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of that nature
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okay okay i didn’t know if you had uh
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any run-ins or thoughts on him now
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i’m definitely i’m gonna hijack in a way
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because i know that people are just
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dying
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to know and i’m dying to know you know
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what the hell is going on now
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because i i think that everything has
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been politicized i believe that the
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flynn
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case is kind of where you were going
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with a lot of this right um
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how flynn got essentially sold up the
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river
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uh by well i’ll say biden
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because if i recall joe biden was
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directly involved with
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the logan act correct well
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uh i think the driving force for what
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happened to
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uh general flanin and by the way i i
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treat
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i view the steele dossier
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and the fights and all that is a
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completely separate
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uh the the players behind the scenes
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were the same players
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making the trouble but the cases i
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and at least in my opinion are
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completely separate now on the flynn
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case
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uh the driving force from what i’ve seen
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out of that is in fact
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uh peter strzok who was a
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senior in the fbi ci department
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and initially the fbi uh two fbi agents
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that went out to speak with
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uh flynn came back from that meeting
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saying well you know he just told us
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everything he knew he didn’t lie about
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anything
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and that’s in that initial report and
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peter strzok was the one that said no no
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no hold on because they were just gonna
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cancel the case because there was
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nothing there and peter strzok’s
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is the one that said no no no no we’re
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going to put this back online we’re
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going to go after this guy
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and you know they they kind of invented
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this perjury trap uh
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and what they had actually done is
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uh flynn’s son had had gone into some
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deals that apparently were a little bit
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shaky and not on solid ground
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and so what they basically did is go to
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flynn and blackmail him
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and say you know you plead guilty to
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this and
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uh or we go after your son so i think
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essentially the scenario was that now
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did flynn get totally and completely and
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utterly screwed
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i think there’s just no question
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whatsoever and i think it’s
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well the problem is now the is the
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activism that we see you know
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everybody’s heard of activist judges
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but it’s not just activist judges it’s
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activists you know everybody else out
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there too
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and what we have is activist law
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enforcement as well activist judges
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activists politicians
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activists pretty much every you know
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everyone you can think of prosecutors
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and doj
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and yeah all in journalists most
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especially and of course what does that
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mean an activist judge
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or an activist law enforcement officer
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what that means is they put their
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personal
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political beliefs and their personal
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political perspective
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first and they put the law and the
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constitution the united states of
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america
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second if it’s on the list at all so
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that’s the problem peter strzok
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knew that no law was broken with flynn
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but he didn’t care because his personal
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political perspective
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is what was first and most important and
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uber always i might add that’s the old
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you know an old nazi methodology you
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belong to the party
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you know you don’t you don’t respect the
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laws so
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uh that is what we saw out of out of out
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of peter strzok who brought all this
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back in so then
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it goes forward of course as we saw and
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there was the scandal and he pled guilty
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and
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uh now of course reversed and got
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pardoned and all so that the case is
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essentially over
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why he hasn’t gone hugely public and
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started 25 lawsuits and stuff not being
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a lawyer don’t know but
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i i hope that that that is something
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that he can do and go forward since you
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have the two
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fbi agents who interviewed him who can
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testify
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based on the report that they wrote that
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he had done nothing wrong
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and that peter strzok was the one that
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reversed it so i mean that sounds like a
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awfully good case to a non-lawyer like
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myself
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and i jumped ahead i should have said
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carter page as well
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carter page was the fisa guy right
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correct yeah carter page was the fisa
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guy he was the one
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where you you know and and we’ll
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probably end up talking about the
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italians again but
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the italian service was the one that
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identified mifsud mifsud was the guy
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that kind of kicked all this off
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they were they were essentially trying
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to you know catch
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carter page and trip him up having money
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coming back into the states and
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just kind of this goofy plan that they
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were gonna try to
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try to pigeonhole that guy and blame him
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for being
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why would the italians care about carter
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page
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they would not care about him even
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slightly in any way shape or form
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so this begs the question doesn’t it why
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would they have been involved
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the read the answer is somebody asked
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them to be involved
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so it had to be somebody from the united
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states since it was the italian
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intelligence service
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i think we can very safely conclude
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although i don’t have any evidence of
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proof
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uh the only logical answer to that it
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was was that it was the cia
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so uh certainly we saw the steele
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dossier this supposed intelligence
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document be uh you know obtained and
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pushed out by the cia
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and in fact there is a don’t let’s not
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forget there was a
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a an email from then director
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of the cia john brennan to then fbi
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director james comey
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saying that the steele dossier was the
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crown document meaning
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the linchpin for the information in this
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report was the steel doze
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and that that report was what comey was
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then going to talk about to the
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president united states
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because comey had been saying let’s
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throw out this steele dossier thing
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because it’s crap
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and john brennan was said one that said
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you cannot throw it out because
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essentially without it there is no
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report
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so again one of those things that they
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where they kept saying the
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the fisa document now i’ve read the
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redacted version of it but being
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familiar with stuff like that
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i don’t really need to see behind most
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of the lines i mean i can tell you more
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or less what’s there
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the only document of any consequence in
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that fisa request
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was the steele dossier there wasn’t any
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other evidence
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and that was what was used to obtain
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fraudulently
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a warrant against the the uh
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candidate trump and then later president
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trump so they were spying on the
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president united states based on a
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document
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that hillary clinton wrote up and gave
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to him you know through surrogates
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but i you know all of that is illegal i
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mean there is there’s almost nothing
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in that that’s not illegal and you know
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what happens now supposedly
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uh john durham’s doing a report on that
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but
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you look at that you know what what uh
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uh a.g
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bar attorney general barr said before he
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resigned on christmas
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was that you know don’t expect much out
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of this report this this
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investigation it’s a very small
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investigation of only a small handful of
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fbi agents well uh
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okay let’s take that at face value now
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the problem with that is is is now this
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is something the reason they’re able to
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get away with it is because
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the public doesn’t understand what fisa
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is now don’t need to define it all of
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that
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fisa is a method in which you can take
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intelligence
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and you have a handshake with law
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enforcement and pass it off to law
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enforcement to do something with
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and the problem with law enforcement is
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in trial
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you go to discovery so you have to have
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a wall somewhere
18:58
somewhere there so that discovery does
19:01
not go back into the cia and look for
19:03
intelligence sources and methods
19:05
because theoretically that discovery
19:07
would say well whatever your cia
19:10
asset is your agent and ex-country that
19:12
told you this information
19:14
you have to give us him for the trial
19:17
so this is what fisa is designed to do
19:21
it’s a handshake intelligence
19:24
and law enforcement now understanding
19:26
that how could you possibly conclude doj
19:30
that you’re only going to investigate
19:32
half of what happened
19:34
in this scandal where a fisa warrant was
19:37
obtained
19:38
fraudulently through perjury and fraud
19:42
how could you only look at half because
19:46
also the people who signed and put all
19:47
this in were the providers of the
19:49
information
19:50
so in it it’s inherent in the in in the
19:53
way that this is being
19:55
reportedly done according to a g bar
19:58
uh it’s inherent with that that it’s
20:00
corrupt it’s politically corrupt
20:02
they’re clearly not looking at the
20:04
entire problem or
20:06
it would have to include the
20:07
intelligence that supplied it
20:09
but if they cannot go down that rabbit
20:11
hole politically because where does it
20:13
lead it leads back to the steele dossier
20:15
it leads to the cia
20:17
it leads to the current director of the
20:18
cia it leads to former cia director john
20:21
brennan
20:22
uh it it leads to hillary clinton it
20:24
leads to mi6
20:26
it leads to all these things probably
20:27
the italian service to
20:30
all these cast of characters and so if
20:32
you
20:33
if you go down that rabbit hole you’re
20:35
just gonna have to put everybody
20:36
that was in the obama government in jail
20:39
and
20:40
what if it leads to obama himself what
20:42
if obama is the one that said
20:44
go do all this stuff you guys go attack
20:47
trump
20:48
go get it what if that’s the case and
20:51
apparently you know from what most of
20:52
the people are saying is that this this
20:55
is still to this day being controlled by
20:58
obama himself so
20:59
there’s a too far we’re leaving barr
21:03
behind and i i had a definite question
21:06
about him
21:07
sure so you know i kind of want to stay
21:08
in the you know same realms but
21:11
um just uh over a year ago i believe it
21:14
was
21:15
you or might have been eight months
21:16
somewhere in there but uh on another
21:18
show
21:19
you were interviewed and you were
21:20
talking about how barr put the death
21:21
penalty back on the table
21:24
and had speculated that having the
21:26
highest level penalty
21:29
could um shall we say encourage
21:32
folks who were under the gun to be more
21:35
forthcoming
21:37
well barr seems to have shifted
21:40
over this time and i’m just wondering
21:43
how do you feel now and if you do feel
21:45
differently what happened
21:47
yes um barr did reinstate the federal
21:51
death penalty which
21:52
uh had not was not allowed uh previous
21:56
previous to you know his administration
21:58
of the doj
22:00
and he reinstated it the day after the
22:03
mueller investigation
22:05
concluded i found that timing
22:08
spectacularly interesting it was one of
22:10
those things that i just didn’t see
22:12
how it could be anything other than a
22:13
message but also
22:15
putting a very important arrow in his
22:18
quiver if you will a very important
22:19
weapon to use
22:21
in prosecution thinking that if if
22:24
he were to go to somebody like let’s say
22:26
uh
22:29
yeah okay let’s say struck that’s a good
22:30
example because i think he’s actually
22:32
somebody who’s you know really a wuss i
22:34
don’t think he’s a
22:35
very strong individual and and you would
22:38
not resist
22:39
the uh the fears of not that i would
22:41
necessarily either but
22:42
but i don’t think he would be able to
22:44
resist the fear that would come from
22:45
from being faced
22:47
with uh with a with a federal death
22:49
penalty so
22:50
uh you could go to somebody like that
22:52
and say okay you
22:54
reversed this investigation on flynn
22:56
against
22:57
what the reporting was from your agents
22:59
you know why
23:00
who ordered you to do it why did you get
23:02
into it all that sort of stuff because
23:04
the spanx of treason and if this is if
23:06
we can show your trees and we’re going
23:08
from death penalty or
23:09
do you want to make a deal you know i
23:10
think after he’d finished crying and
23:12
cleaned out his pants he would be happy
23:14
to make any deal they wanted
23:15
so uh i think it was just such a
23:18
powerful weapon because it was pretty
23:20
it’s pretty clear that all through the
23:22
four years of president trump’s
23:24
tenure as president there’s been treason
23:26
time after time after time
23:28
enacted by quite a large cast of
23:30
characters and i think this
23:32
whole fisa thing is nothing’s happened
23:35
and and now bars
23:36
shown the door essentially and why
23:40
i mean if everybody’s hot and heavy to
23:42
go prosecute do you
23:43
understand or know why is nothing going
23:46
on i mean
23:46
who there’s been one lawyer from what i
23:49
understand who pled guilty to
23:51
in texas changing a date on
23:54
oh no changing uh yes to a no or
23:56
something on carter page
23:58
where it was explicitly stated that he
23:59
was working with the cia
24:01
um when he was talking to the russians
24:04
he flipped it to say he wasn’t
24:06
that’s the only one i know of correct
24:08
now i’m not suggesting that they’re hot
24:11
to prosecute
24:12
in fact the opposite when a.g bar first
24:14
came in
24:16
i was very optimistic that he was going
24:17
to try to clean up
24:19
all of this mess that we see uh there
24:22
were a number of things that worried me
24:23
about him
24:24
but i was always kind of leaning towards
24:26
having faith in him
24:28
because i thought he was actually a
24:29
believer in the constitution in laws and
24:31
that sort of thing now i’m
24:32
i’ve reversed all of that i no longer
24:34
give him any of that benefit of a doubt
24:36
the problem i always had with him or the
24:39
worry i
24:39
should say i always had with him is that
24:41
he came out of the bush camp
24:43
he was he was from the bush
24:44
administration and the bush family
24:47
has all hated trump they’re the they’re
24:49
the the
24:51
kind of the rhino uh controlling
24:54
faction of the republican party the you
24:56
know
24:57
mitch mcconnell you know most of the
24:59
senior uh republican
25:02
uh elected officials are all kind of in
25:04
that camp
25:05
and the bush family just they hate they
25:06
hate trump a great deal
25:08
so him coming out of that camp made
25:12
me worry about him a lot but also i had
25:14
faith in him just because i hoped that
25:16
he was actually a believer in
25:18
you know in the in our republic but as
25:21
time has gone on and nothing happens
25:22
nothing happens nothing happens my faith
25:24
has slowly gone down
25:25
until when he made that speech just upon
25:28
retirement where he said
25:29
uh you know there’s no you know don’t be
25:31
expecting something out of this durham
25:33
uh investigation it’s just a very small
25:35
handful of people
25:36
at the fbi only well like i said
25:39
therefore we know it’s corrupt it’s
25:42
politically corrupt because
25:44
you know it to kind of give an example
25:47
of it if you walk into a house
25:50
and find two dead bodies riddled with
25:52
bullet holes
25:53
but you’re only going to investigate the
25:55
death of one and you’re going to ignore
25:57
the other
25:57
you can’t look at that and go yeah oh
25:59
that’s all clean that’s a clean
26:00
investigation and that’s what we have
26:01
here
26:02
they’re coming in and looking at a small
26:03
handful of fbi guys but they’re not
26:05
looking at the overall problem and you
26:07
cannot
26:08
just you know skip everything and look
26:10
at some little tiny sector of it
26:12
and just ignore this the source of all
26:14
of the
26:16
fraudulent material that was used to spy
26:18
on the president united states so
26:20
let me say this just this is unending i
26:23
mean we can sit here for an hour and
26:24
just talk about these sorts of things
26:26
let me give one one more example of it
26:29
and you know i won’t belabor it but
26:30
let’s go back and look at the anthony
26:32
weiner laptop
26:34
that laptop according to james comey’s
26:36
speech
26:37
just prior to the election uh
26:40
james comey came out in a speech that
26:42
the 2016 election with
26:44
hillary against trump and he came out in
26:46
a speech and said well you know this
26:47
thing you know
26:48
hillary was careless but you know nobody
26:51
would prosecute
26:52
this well if you read closely what he
26:54
said in his statement he said there was
26:56
10 or 12
26:57
uh chains of classified documents
27:00
in that on that laptop each containing
27:04
maybe a few hundred classified documents
27:07
okay
27:08
ten or twelve times a few hundred pardon
27:11
me
27:12
one will put you in prison but this gets
27:14
much much much worse
27:16
so you you add all that up and you gotta
27:18
figure well
27:20
let’s say there’s 3 000 roughly
27:22
classified documents in there 10 or 12
27:24
chains a few hundred each
27:25
you know you can call it less if you
27:27
want to but 2 500 to 3
27:29
000 it’s going to be something along
27:31
those lines that sort of number
27:33
he wasn’t explicit now the ig the fbi ig
27:36
inspector general did an investigation
27:39
into this thing
27:40
in their report they went out and spoke
27:42
to the
27:44
fbi agent in seattle that first
27:46
discovered
27:47
this memory in there that had all the
27:49
classified documents
27:51
he told them that james comey had misled
27:53
the american people
27:55
by a factor of 10 as to the number of
27:58
classified documents on that computer
28:00
so according to the fbi this isn’t me
28:03
saying this
28:03
this is right out of the ig report not
28:07
2500 to 3 000 but 25
28:10
000 to 30 000 classified documents in
28:14
there
28:15
now that computer ended up in quantico
28:17
the fbi
28:18
offices there and there was a second ig
28:21
report done there
28:22
in the second ig report they confirmed
28:25
that there’s a second
28:27
large memory of similar size with
28:30
similar numbers
28:32
of content they didn’t open it to see
28:34
what was in there they’re just saying
28:35
there’s the first memory with 25 to 30
28:37
000 classified documents
28:38
there’s a second memory they didn’t look
28:40
up at of a similar size
28:42
with a similar number of documents so
28:45
reasonable to conclude that there is the
28:48
possibility
28:50
of as many as 50 to 60 000
28:54
classified documents on that computer
28:57
and as you correctly pointed out
28:58
it only takes one to go to jail there’s
29:00
lots of people sitting in jail
29:02
for one classified document and so we
29:04
have maybe
29:06
60 000 classified documents on it
29:08
nobody’s looked at it
29:10
nobody we don’t know what’s out there
29:12
the chinese have it
29:13
the russians have it but we don’t look
29:16
at it to see
29:16
well the russians learned this out of
29:18
this classified document so
29:20
holy cow we better fix that and the
29:23
chinese learned this out of that
29:24
classified document and holy cow we
29:26
better fix this
29:27
that has never been done i mean that is
29:29
stupid beyond belief
29:31
and it’s it’s politically total
29:34
corruption i mean it’s total corruption
29:37
and that’s
29:37
doj and fbi one major question on that
29:41
okay please how many documents did alder
29:44
james have
29:47
oh boy yeah you’re going back a ways uh
29:51
i think he was indeed caught with
29:53
documents but it was far less than that
29:55
i i
29:56
know for the fact i know where i’m going
29:58
yeah i
29:59
have one of the worst spies in history
30:01
outside of robert hansen
30:03
i’m willing to bet and i could be wrong
30:05
i’d have to look it up but
30:06
what are the odds that if you take all
30:08
the documents that both robert hansen
30:10
and alder james smuggle to the russians
30:14
they’d be less than that number i i
30:17
don’t know
30:17
and i’m not sure that in the public
30:19
arena that is known but i would be
30:21
uh i would i would almost certainly
30:23
think you’re right that it’s going to be
30:24
less than
30:25
than as many as 60 000 documents you
30:27
know 60 000 documents that
30:29
that’s a whole hell of a lot of stuff
30:31
and
30:32
some of that was nsa some of that was
30:34
cia
30:35
some of that was state department so you
30:37
know again i
30:38
i it’s their election of duty
30:42
not to at least have gone through all of
30:44
those things
30:46
to see what was exposed to the russians
30:48
in chinese
30:49
so you can go do something about it
30:50
that’s dereliction of duty
30:52
also it’s political corruption because
30:55
nobody’s getting prosecuted out of it
30:57
now
30:58
i’m not saying necessarily hillary
31:00
clinton is guilty of this
31:02
don’t know but i guarantee you the
31:04
police
31:05
every day of the week can go to anthony
31:07
weiner and say
31:08
anthony this is your laptop i have 60
31:12
000 classified documents on this now
31:14
somebody’s going to jail
31:16
so if this is yours you know you’re
31:19
going to jail for the rest of your life
31:20
if if you knew these were all on there
31:21
or if you just happened to get them
31:23
where did you get them now very likely
31:24
they came from his wife
31:26
uh uma who was uh you know hillary’s
31:29
assistant
31:30
so uma was she spying for the muslim
31:33
brotherhood
31:33
were there just documents she had
31:35
helping hillary i don’t know
31:37
now again i’m i’m out on a limb here
31:39
kind of assuming stuff it’s speculative
31:41
on my part
31:41
matter actually because it doesn’t
31:43
matter
31:44
yeah but you go to her and say here’s 60
31:47
000 classified documents
31:48
are you going to jail for the rest of
31:50
your life because somebody’s going to
31:51
and she’s going to you know she’s going
31:53
to talk i mean does she want to go to
31:54
jail a relatively young woman
31:56
for the rest of her life and each one of
31:58
those is individually illegal
32:00
so you know even if you’re only
32:02
sentenced to a day per classified
32:03
document
32:04
times sixty thousand that’s a long damn
32:06
time
32:08
yeah it is okay i have a question from
32:10
the um
32:11
from the chat here brad do you think the
32:14
seventh floor is in bed with the biden
32:16
administration or would you say it’s
32:17
divided
32:20
the seventh floor what the question is
32:22
referring to is the leadership of the
32:24
cia that’s the top floor of the building
32:27
and so that’s where leadership resides
32:29
and uh
32:30
where the executive dining room is
32:31
located and all that good stuff
32:33
uh i would say that that probably
32:36
being in bed with the biden
32:38
administration is an understatement
32:40
i think uh they’ve sold their souls
32:42
wholeheartedly
32:44
i don’t think there’s my personal
32:46
opinion is that i think you’d be
32:47
hard-pressed to find anybody there
32:49
that’s honest
32:50
by the standard of most patriots
32:54
uh i think they’re mostly what i have
32:56
previously described
32:57
as activist intelligence officers
33:00
that they put their politics first
33:03
versus the
33:04
national security issues that they
33:06
should be focused on which as i said
33:07
again
33:08
is one of the main focuses of americans
33:10
for intelligence reform
33:12
uh and if you look at the things that
33:14
we’ve been talking about for example
33:16
if indeed it’s true that gina haspel the
33:19
director of the cia
33:21
was in london and was involved with the
33:25
steele dossier and was involved with
33:27
setting up president trump
33:28
and was involved in these in this uh
33:31
fisa warrant that was obtained
33:33
fraudulently and then through perjury
33:35
if she is guilty of all those things if
33:36
she was involved with all those things
33:38
uh she would be in a desperate desperate
33:41
battle
33:42
to make sure that that trump was was
33:45
thrown out of office
33:46
through any means whatsoever uh
33:49
i mean that’s a big deal that’s far
33:51
beyond being in bed with with
33:52
biden okay while we’re on her can you
33:55
clear something up
33:56
there there’s rumors out there and
34:00
that she was somehow caught in germany
34:03
with servers true or false
34:07
well i i mean i i don’t know for a fact
34:10
but i
34:10
i’m uh almost certain that’s false i
34:14
mean i would put it in the
34:16
99 range that that’s false i mean i’ve
34:19
heard that she was
34:20
killed in that shootout that she was
34:21
wounded in the leg that she was taken to
34:24
gitmo
34:24
that she’s under arrest i’ve heard all
34:27
sorts of things
34:29
now my understanding is that someone did
34:31
go in and get those servers or they did
34:33
go in and look at them
34:34
who did it and what they did with it you
34:36
know funny we’ve never heard anything
34:38
about that i don’t know
34:39
uh supposedly it was the military
34:42
which who specifically did it you know
34:45
hasn’t really surfaced so i don’t know
34:48
uh the shootout individual i flat don’t
34:50
believe i don’t think that took place
34:52
the people i know who are you know would
34:54
know have said no that didn’t take place
34:57
uh so i i don’t i don’t think that
34:59
happened i don’t think
35:00
i think gina hassel’s just fine you know
35:03
i think she’s
35:04
though right the director of the cia i
35:06
would never think would actually go on
35:08
an operation somewhere else i mean don’t
35:11
they have people
35:12
with that can do that for them yes they
35:15
do
35:15
they do but it would be visiting a
35:17
facility and they do visit facilities
35:19
they do go overseas and see the
35:21
stations and go talk to foreign
35:22
dignitaries and things like that so
35:24
for her to travel is is perfectly normal
35:26
within within the realm of what
35:28
her duties should be so i mean it would
35:31
not be that hard for her to be
35:32
at a facility overseas it’s just this
35:35
shootout stuff and all of that i i
35:38
i find it uh just very unlikely my
35:42
personal opinion of the reason that that
35:43
has come
35:44
out so often is i think it’s a
35:48
distraction
35:49
and i think it’s to take away uh
35:52
people’s attention from the other things
35:54
that are important going on
35:55
and i’ll know just there’s a couple
35:57
things like day before yesterday
36:00
there was a report that the pope got
36:03
arrested for covering up
36:04
uh pedophile and you know he was faced
36:07
with 28 charges and all this stuff well
36:09
that turned out to be
36:10
you know hokum and there was maybe a
36:12
week ago there was this report on this
36:14
biden ranch in ukraine that was raided
36:18
and it was this
36:19
money laundering center for biden and
36:22
his brother and his
36:23
remaining son and you know there’s
36:26
nothing that’s ever come out of that
36:27
either i mean i saw the
36:29
the the news reporting on it and i found
36:32
it
36:32
wow you know interesting if it’s true so
36:35
i mean there’s a lot of stuff out there
36:36
being reported that’s pretty wild
36:39
my opinion is is that this is an effort
36:41
by the left
36:42
to put out all these wild stories
36:45
because it creates
36:46
this level of noise that’s deafening out
36:49
there
36:49
so the reports on the voting machines
36:52
the reports on the on how the election
36:54
was stolen and all that just kind of
36:56
fades into this uh array
37:00
of wild stories that are out there and
37:03
and that’s how the left is kind of
37:04
creating confusion
37:06
and detracting from these stories with
37:08
that that actually have a chance of
37:09
being true
37:11
well this is where i definitely was
37:13
headed right from the beginning
37:14
because you know i definitely want
37:16
history and everything but um
37:18
robert barnes who’s been on the show
37:20
many times he’s done viva barnes
37:22
and also with rich barris and barnes
37:24
they might have mentioned before
37:26
had it perfectly summarized in this
37:29
question
37:30
essentially how do disinformation and
37:33
psyop campaigns work
37:35
how do you stop them and is q anon one
37:40
well we’ll start with the last one first
37:41
q anon i don’t know i’ve i
37:44
really have never looked at q anon it
37:46
was something that kind of came up well
37:47
i was
37:48
still overseas so i just wasn’t exposed
37:50
to it
37:51
after i got back it wasn’t anything that
37:53
really hit
37:54
you know uh my radar pardon me
37:58
how long how long has it been around
38:00
then i thought it only come about at
38:02
past couple years
38:03
i think wasn’t it uh out of the clinton
38:05
years because of the
38:06
podesta stuff and the pedophilia and all
38:08
of that now i might be mistaken that was
38:10
i think i think it spun out of pizzagate
38:13
somehow but i’m not sure
38:14
yeah the pizzagate is the pedophilia
38:17
ring the
38:17
story whenever that began i i don’t
38:20
really know didn’t look at it
38:21
and uh the i’m more of a national
38:24
security intelligence all that sort of
38:25
stuff is kind of more my focus
38:27
so uh those sorts of things to kind of
38:29
straight up really evil criminal things
38:31
aren’t kind of my bag but uh
38:34
so don’t know so i really don’t have
38:36
that much information on cue
38:38
i’ve gotten things from people who say
38:40
they’re with cube but how do you know i
38:42
mean my understanding of it is that it’s
38:44
a very horizontal sort of
38:46
very general group of people i don’t
38:47
know i’ve heard
38:49
there is somebody at the center of it
38:50
that was former intelligence and things
38:52
like that i
38:52
i just i don’t know and have never
38:54
really tried to find out
38:56
so i don’t know talk in it or not
39:01
well i think there’s a lot of
39:02
information about the pedophilia ring
39:05
that’s very convincing so in that sense
39:08
i think that’s true
39:09
the fact that there’s people out there
39:11
that are very interested in getting that
39:13
sort of
39:14
information out to people is probably
39:17
very accurate i i would assume
39:19
i mean if i knew that about a group of
39:21
people i would want to put that out
39:23
you know to the police or whoever would
39:25
act on it
39:27
but i i will say that that movement is
39:30
very
39:31
interesting now this is a bit
39:32
controversial so uh forgive me in
39:34
advance but
39:36
we’ve seen the lgbtq community
39:39
also begin to tentatively include uh
39:43
the the pedophilia movement and there’s
39:46
been a thing about no pedobashing and
39:48
they’re starting to put up those signs
39:50
and there’s been talk about including
39:52
the pedophiles in that group so that
39:54
they’re not
39:55
there’s no prejudice used against them
39:58
and those sorts of things and
39:59
you see their signs put up it’s of a a
40:02
rainbow and a man and a boy holding
40:04
hands kind of
40:05
the silhouette of them holding hands
40:06
walking away
40:08
or something yeah namla is uh yeah
40:10
something like that any rate it’s a
40:12
man boy love pedophilia organization
40:15
whatever don’t know
40:16
and like i said not really my thing but
40:18
i you know just see this stuff going on
40:20
now
40:21
looking at it from the propaganda
40:22
perspective and
40:24
how things are going it is a defense
40:27
for the those organizations now that’s
40:29
interesting that that springs up kind of
40:31
at the same time where
40:32
q is targeting them and i’ll have to say
40:35
if the
40:37
gay lesbian transvestite whatever
40:39
community starts including
40:40
pedophilia in there they’re going to
40:41
destroy themselves because uh the
40:43
american public
40:44
you know i you know and i’m the same way
40:46
i don’t care if you want to be gay be
40:47
gay but if you want to include
40:49
pedophilia in that you know
40:50
then i think you belong in jail that’s
40:52
that’s wrong and
40:54
uh we’ll see how that pans out but i
40:57
think they’d be
40:57
enormously stupid to include pedophilia
41:00
as part of their
41:01
protected classes within this long list
41:03
of groups that are involved anyway your
41:06
question earlier on was about the
41:09
misinformation disinformation the
41:10
propaganda campaigns and all that
41:12
it’s very difficult i mean the russians
41:15
and the nazis were the ones that really
41:16
perfected it the nazis early on and
41:19
the russians took what they’d learned
41:20
out of them and they also captured
41:22
some of the gobel’s people out of the
41:24
nazi party and used them to help build
41:26
their own propaganda
41:27
and so it’s something been used by the
41:28
left and perfected picked up here
41:30
in the united states out of the
41:33
stalinist
41:34
regime’s uh practices and all and it’s
41:37
something that’s been taught so it’s
41:38
very
41:39
it’s it’s very effective it’s a very
41:40
mature program and it’s it’s hard to
41:42
fight against
41:43
uh i think what we need to do is just
41:46
stick with
41:47
as as much as we can with just pushing
41:50
back with the truth and
41:51
most people particularly the patriots
41:54
who want to know
41:55
most people know the truth when they
41:57
hear it they know it when they see it
41:59
so it’s one of those things where we all
42:01
see these the liberals and the
42:02
progressives and the communists and
42:04
socialists that’s all one thing
42:05
we see them go into these long
42:07
complicated explanations of why
42:09
something
42:10
is really this other thing and it’s
42:12
nuanced and you have to understand and
42:15
you know i most people recognize a bs
42:18
artist when they hear one and that’s
42:19
you know you get somebody starting to
42:21
wave their arms well you need to
42:22
understand all this
42:24
that’s what bs sounds like so it’s one
42:27
of those things that i think that’s part
42:28
of the reason the american public
42:30
got so tired of this and voted in trump
42:33
and
42:33
in a in a sizable uh you know majority
42:36
of
42:37
you know the way the electoral votes
42:39
were and
42:41
i think that’s the same thing that
42:42
happened this time because i think
42:43
everybody’s sick of it
42:45
and i think that that the this
42:48
attempt to shut down all discussion like
42:51
i mean let’s face it once biden gets in
42:53
your show the things i do
42:56
uh mark levine louie gohmert
42:59
uh rush limbaugh if he survives which
43:01
will
43:02
i pray for that uh all of these all of
43:05
us if you will are going to be under
43:08
attack all the time
43:09
now they’re going to start at the top
43:10
and work down it’ll take them a while to
43:12
get to smaller programs and smaller
43:14
personalities like
43:15
i guess i would include at least myself
43:17
i don’t know how big your audience is
43:19
but
43:20
but still it’ll take a while to get to
43:22
us but it’s coming i mean
43:23
they’re not going to allow it because
43:25
why because
43:27
the progressives liberals socialist
43:29
communists that group of people
43:31
they their messages cannot stand up to
43:35
scrutiny
43:36
they cannot stand up to actual honest
43:40
public debate
43:41
of issues they just cannot do it because
43:44
their messages are so hokum
43:46
so you you and and i will say too if all
43:48
of this is kind of true what i’m laying
43:50
out where you see all these
43:51
weird stories coming out and uh this
43:54
this
43:54
very well-planned
43:58
attempt to crush parlor
44:01
to silence trump on twitter to start
44:04
taking down all these twitter feeds of
44:06
all these people james woods famously
44:08
gets
44:09
attacked all the time now my twitter was
44:11
never huge but
44:12
uh i had 10 000 followers on twitter and
44:15
it slowly whittled down a little bit got
44:16
to nine
44:17
and then overnight i lost 2 000 and
44:20
again another two days went by another
44:22
night went by and i lost another
44:23
thousand i mean it’s just
44:25
like this overnight it’s kind of you
44:27
know not very realistic to think that
44:29
that’s how it actually works on three
44:30
different occasions on
44:32
twitter i noticed once i hit 10 000
44:34
followers i was going up very fast
44:36
once i hit 10 000 followers i just
44:38
stopped
44:39
and suddenly mine goes down 500 or
44:42
something like that and i thought well
44:44
heck so i actually sat down and i sat
44:47
down and went through my list of 10 000
44:49
followers
44:50
to see if any of those 10 000 followers
44:52
had dropped off
44:53
i found i think a dozen that had dropped
44:56
off but my numbers dropped by 500.
44:58
i did that three times just to be sure
45:00
so every time my numbers would drop by
45:03
400 500 because i would build it back up
45:05
and then it would drop by 700.
45:07
so three times i went through and looked
45:08
and every time i went through and looked
45:10
and i sat there and went through all 10
45:12
000 just to see
45:14
you know to know myself and i would
45:19
you know what are they going to say oh
45:20
yeah we’re so sorry we’re screwing you
45:22
no no no i i meant um for example
45:26
my friend viva fry has had
45:30
viewers complain i got unsubscribed
45:34
i didn’t unsubscribe somehow i gotta
45:35
subscribe to your channel
45:37
what happened so i didn’t i didn’t know
45:39
if there might be anything like that
45:41
going on
45:43
no i don’t think it’s worth my time to
45:44
complain i i think they would just run
45:46
me in circles and not do anything
45:48
because
45:48
i didn’t mean twitter i met the people
45:50
like justice yes people would say
45:52
oh did you unfollow me
45:56
mostly they didn’t unfollow me like i
45:57
said if if i dropped
45:59
700 followers and i went through and
46:02
looked
46:02
the actual people that dropped me were
46:04
only say 10 or 12.
46:06
so where did those 700 come from
46:09
you know they weren’t people actually
46:10
dropping me it was just my numbers were
46:12
going down
46:13
so i think you know clearly it’s just an
46:15
attack out of twitter
46:17
and you know it’s the same thing i mean
46:18
facebook twitter
46:20
youtube anything google you know it’s
46:22
all going to be a problem in the long
46:23
run
46:24
i think we all need to start to harden
46:27
our communications and our ability to
46:29
share these shows and programs and talk
46:32
because it’s all going to come under
46:33
attack it will all come under attack
46:35
and i think biden is going to take the
46:38
brunt of it he’s going to do a lot of
46:40
that early on
46:41
because his time is limited he’s not
46:43
going to be present for very long
46:46
true now um
46:49
i am curious on that i mean you’re
46:52
connected
46:53
somewhat is there anything going on with
46:55
biden or
46:56
is everybody exaggerating that no no
46:59
he’s senile
47:00
um i mean you know i’ll get criticized
47:03
because i’m not any sort of medical
47:04
personnel
47:05
and not a doctor and all that but
47:06
mancini i mean you know
47:09
we’ve all seen it in our older relatives
47:10
and friends and things as it takes in
47:12
there and
47:13
the memory starts to go and he’s not
47:14
sure where he is not sure what day it is
47:16
forget stuff
47:17
you know you hand him his car keys and
47:18
he looks at you and says where’s my car
47:20
keys
47:20
uh not that they let him drive anymore
47:23
but it’s
47:24
it’s it’s clear i mean it’s clear i i
47:26
would i you know
47:27
i’ve i’ve debated it around with
47:29
different friends and
47:31
uh uh you know we’ve discussed the
47:33
amount of time i’m personally predicting
47:35
that he’ll be president for six months
47:37
or so i’d be very surprised if he went
47:39
past one year
47:41
because he’s just not mentally capable
47:43
you know he’s not going to be able to
47:44
and it’s a process that deteriorates uh
47:48
and it’s it’s just one of those things
47:49
where they’re not going to be able to
47:50
keep it up very long
47:52
and we’ve seen his wife during the
47:53
campaign be his handler and
47:55
we also he would like before the debate
47:58
uh
47:58
you know he would just go away for a
48:00
week and try to get rested up and
48:02
probably they had him on you know
48:04
serious doses of
48:06
of meds that kind of counteract that and
48:08
let you be normal for a couple hours
48:10
and uh and go out and do the debates and
48:12
then come back and he would disappear
48:13
again while he rested up after that and
48:15
i mean there’s a lot of indicators that
48:17
that’s true and even kamala harris
48:20
in the primary where she was running
48:22
against him she herself said the same
48:24
thing
48:24
so i mean it’s it’s you know i don’t
48:28
i have personally never heard anybody
48:31
democrat or republicans say
48:34
it’s not true he’s not seen now i
48:36
personally have never heard anybody say
48:38
it
48:39
i mean i’ve heard people say oh no
48:40
biden’s great he’s wonderful he’s going
48:41
to be great at this or that or the other
48:43
and if you go is he senile they’ll go
48:45
brighton’s great you know
48:46
that that’s their answer they’re not
48:47
going no he’s not senile you know
48:49
i i’ve never heard anybody actually deny
48:52
the senility
48:53
so i you know i’m personally like i say
48:56
i predict six months or so
48:58
for as president i was wondering about
48:59
that if it would be a case that
49:01
he would be in long enough so it’d be
49:03
longer than william henry harrison
49:05
so got to give him more than 31 days so
49:07
he won’t be the shortest president
49:09
actual term in history but
49:13
was that the goal is i mean oh yeah i do
49:17
feel like that a lot of people
49:20
and i don’t know if i’m reading it wrong
49:21
but i’m just going to go by polls and
49:23
outcomes and people dropping in and out
49:24
but
49:26
kamala harris did not seem to be the
49:28
most popular candidate in the world
49:31
judging by the voters in the primaries
49:33
i’m speaking about the democrats
49:35
and she dropped out relatively early but
49:38
yet
49:39
the press and other folks seem to really
49:42
really really really like her
49:44
was she kind of injected i’m just
49:46
curious your thoughts
49:49
i mean i think personally it was all
49:50
negotiations behind the scenes
49:53
i think the uh
49:56
obama former president obama is
49:59
basically running everything
50:01
and really yeah i think so and
50:04
uh i think everybody recognized
50:08
everybody recognizes i mean you hear
50:10
democrats openly discuss it
50:12
that an openly hard left person who’s
50:15
clearly socialist
50:16
communist progressive like i said those
50:18
are all the same thing but
50:19
anyone that’s clearly openly hard left
50:22
is not electable in the united states
50:24
because the united states as a whole you
50:26
lose a lot of even the democrat votes if
50:27
you come out and say oh yeah i’m a
50:28
socialist
50:29
so uh like bernie sanders could never be
50:32
elected in the general election
50:33
neither could any of neither could kamal
50:35
or any of those other people
50:36
so they had to pick somebody that was
50:38
actually electable somebody that they
50:40
could move more towards the center
50:42
they all knew biden was senile they all
50:45
knew they were gonna have to take him
50:46
out as president fairly soon after being
50:48
elected
50:48
but he was electable he was somebody
50:51
that they could defend
50:54
as having been legitimately elected and
50:56
he’s been around for everybody everybody
50:58
knows his name all of that
50:59
so now i think that the charts that you
51:02
see where the voting
51:02
things go up and then suddenly biden
51:04
votes could go up and up you know 10 000
51:06
votes and then continue along i mean i
51:08
i i argue that that’s where the the
51:11
cheating took place
51:12
uh so i don’t think biden actually won
51:14
but at least that gives the
51:16
fig leaf to the democratic party to say
51:19
oh no
51:19
you know he’s popular he was
51:20
legitimately elected and if it had been
51:22
kamala harris
51:24
everybody would have known it’s a lie so
51:26
if it had been
51:27
bernie sanders everybody knows it would
51:29
have been a lie so
51:31
uh here now only half the people know
51:33
it’s a lie and
51:34
everybody would have known it was a lie
51:35
before so i think they really wanted
51:37
kamala they really wanted hard left the
51:39
mainstream media the democratic party
51:41
they’re all
51:42
very hard left and they wanted somebody
51:45
who’s in line with what obama
51:48
is which is hard left and i think that’s
51:51
kamala this was the compromise put biden
51:53
in
51:54
get him out after six months or a year
51:56
and nancy pelosi has already been
51:57
talking about the 25th amendment to
51:59
remove somebody mental incapacity all
52:01
that
52:01
a lot of that’s being discussed and how
52:03
it would be implemented and all of that
52:05
i think even what she’s doing right now
52:07
is a dry run
52:08
uh she was trying to force pence to do
52:10
it uh
52:11
for like i and
52:15
it’ll be a question of whether biden
52:16
will willingly resign
52:18
or do they have to use the 25th
52:19
amendment to get him out either way
52:21
he’s gone now look at it from obama’s
52:24
perspective
52:26
everyone says now there’s a lot of
52:28
information out there that the plan was
52:31
that eventually michelle obama would
52:34
become president
52:35
what better way to usher in michelle
52:38
michelle obama as president
52:40
than paris
52:44
kamala harris i mean that’s the perfect
52:46
way on the heels of her
52:48
vp yeah on the well on the heels of her
52:52
she could pick
52:53
michelle’s vp or whatever it doesn’t
52:55
matter but you have a black woman who
52:56
ends up being president
52:58
then it’s not a big deal for another
52:59
black woman to run for president
53:01
so i think from their perspective they
53:02
look at this as win-win-win
53:05
okay so i guess let’s wrap it up on that
53:09
because you essentially
53:11
are stating that you do think something
53:12
was wrong
53:14
with the election or many things were
53:16
wrong with the election you’ve made that
53:18
pretty clear
53:19
um very recently general mcinerney and i
53:23
hope i’m saying it right or mckierney
53:27
i don’t know how to say his name but
53:29
lieutenant i think it’s mcinerney too
53:30
but i could be wrong as well
53:32
i’ll go with mac and erie and and
53:34
blaming you all right fair that’s fair
53:36
i get a lot of blame already anyway so a
53:38
little more
53:40
perfect he was talking about
53:43
servers in italy and
53:47
stuff can you tell me what’s what is
53:50
going on
53:50
and is that in fact something real
53:54
it appears to be and you know we’re
53:57
we’re all faced with one inherent
53:58
problem and that is
54:02
getting these things in front of a judge
54:04
because you know
54:06
even even if i had proof here on
54:08
photographs and a piece of paper of
54:10
anything illegal
54:12
it’s getting it in front of a judge that
54:13
makes a difference and that’s been
54:15
turned down everywhere by
54:16
activist judges and all the way up to
54:18
the supreme court where
54:20
texas and 19 states sued because they
54:23
felt that the
54:24
the the election they didn’t follow the
54:26
rules
54:27
and they were changing illegally the
54:29
rules because it required
54:30
legislative action to change the rules
54:32
in those states and that didn’t take
54:34
place
54:35
so they said it diminished their right
54:36
and and the supreme court basically
54:39
refused to hear it because they said no
54:40
standing so
54:41
this is what we see happening over and
54:43
over giuliani
54:45
has uh videos and affidavits
54:48
and studies that show that where they’ve
54:51
gone through for example
54:52
went down the voter rolls compared it
54:55
against the death certificates
54:57
and found like 7 500. so 7 500
55:00
dead people voted in certain states and
55:03
it’s all
55:04
on paper it’s black and white it’s proof
55:06
but they can’t get a judge
55:08
to accept it in a court case to do
55:11
anything with it
55:12
so i mean that’s the inherent problem
55:14
it’s the same thing with this italian
55:15
stuff
55:16
i’m pretty sure this stuff is true but
55:19
so what you know
55:20
uh giuliani’s sure that that stuff he’s
55:23
god’s true too
55:24
it but it doesn’t do anybody any good
55:26
unless you can make it part of a court
55:27
case
55:28
that a judge willing is willing to hear
55:29
and they’re just not so
55:32
but the basic outline of it is this that
55:34
um
55:36
the the the algorithms that were set
55:39
were already in place through these
55:41
voting machines in these five or six key
55:43
states
55:44
the algorithms got broken because trump
55:46
broke all records for voting if you look
55:48
at how he did
55:49
in 2016 he broke all the records so his
55:53
voting was
55:53
much higher than expected so at night
55:57
they shut down all those all accounting
55:59
and all the machines and everything just
56:00
got shut down
56:02
so that took place simultaneously in
56:05
those states
56:06
so at that point they were all hooked up
56:08
to the internet
56:10
the information on the votes was sent to
56:12
the
56:13
servers in germany and then from there
56:16
over to italy where there was uh where
56:18
they were waiting in the embassy in rome
56:22
to manipulate the information and
56:24
there’s photographs of a couple of guys
56:25
that are supposed to be
56:27
data scientists who were at the embassy
56:30
then
56:31
uh to manipulate that data and for
56:34
example now photographs are out there
56:35
but
56:36
nobody’s trying to find them to talk to
56:37
them okay
56:39
and the man that was supposedly at the
56:41
embassy it’s come out is a guy named
56:43
stefano serafini that’s the us american
56:46
citizen
56:47
u.s official at state department who is
56:50
at the embassy
56:51
that supposedly put this whole plan
56:53
together at the operation end of things
56:56
and he retired the day before the
56:58
election
56:59
so that he could go back to the united
57:01
states and avoid losing his pension and
57:02
those sorts of things
57:03
so don’t know if it’s true but how hard
57:07
would it be to have an ig inspection and
57:08
find out
57:10
you know not that hard but why isn’t it
57:14
being done i mean it’s
57:15
how hard would it be just to go question
57:17
that guy and find out now of course
57:18
he’s retired so you can’t force him to
57:20
do it uh but there’s other people around
57:22
that you could talk to that would be
57:23
able to speak to those things so
57:25
uh the operation center is there the
57:27
data scientists are there they rewrite
57:29
the algorithms
57:30
they change the data then it’s uplink
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via it’s it’s encrypted uplinked back
57:37
through this
57:38
satellite that’s owned and controlled by
57:40
fernando
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spa at spa is just like saying
57:43
incorporated inc
57:44
so fernando this this huge uh
57:49
contracting company that’s partially
57:50
owned by the italian government
57:53
then goes through the satellite back
57:55
down to the servers in germany and then
57:56
back into the machines
57:58
and everybody’s seen those lines where
58:00
you have the red line and the blue line
58:01
going
58:02
red lines ahead red lines i had red
58:04
lines ahead it’s kind of like growing
58:05
the gap a little bit
58:07
they shut down all the machines they
58:09
turn it back on
58:10
and boom that line goes up that was the
58:13
data dump that came back down from italy
58:16
where the numbers were suddenly up and
58:17
then it continues up and
58:19
biden stays ahead the rest of the way
58:21
that was the change of algorithms and
58:23
that was the change in total votes
58:24
and that’s where we see for example why
58:27
when they got the ballots they separated
58:29
the paper ballots
58:31
from the envelopes what’s proof of the
58:34
vote being valid
58:35
it’s the envelope so that’s why they
58:38
separated
58:39
and this has been decried by everybody
58:41
it’s been out in the press forever
58:43
but nobody points out the importance of
58:45
it up for this
58:47
and that’s why those votes were
58:48
separated they took the envelopes threw
58:50
them away
58:51
and kept the ballots so all you had was
58:53
the ballots
58:54
then when they had to change numbers
58:56
like for example there’s been the video
58:58
everybody’s seen it on tv it’s all over
59:00
the news of that box of ten thousand
59:02
ballots being pulled out
59:04
you know from nowhere it was carried in
59:05
and all of a sudden they add ten more
59:06
thousand
59:07
vote of votes in so when they do the
59:10
recounts
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mostly they’re just recounting the
59:12
machine they just run the numbers off
59:14
the machine again and the machine gives
59:15
it to them
59:16
of course it’s going to give them the
59:17
exact same thing even if they count the
59:19
ballots
59:20
all you have is the ballot all you have
59:22
is a piece of paper with stuff
59:23
with a vote marked on it you don’t have
59:25
the envelope
59:27
that shows it comes from a valid person
59:29
so those 10
59:30
000 ballots for example that were
59:31
videotaped suddenly being included in
59:34
the votes
59:35
where you got this blip up for biden
59:38
were just prepared in a box there was no
59:39
envelopes with them
59:41
they’re thrown into the mix and suddenly
59:43
the numbers of the ballots and the
59:44
numbers on the machines match
59:46
so that’s that’s the game plan that’s
59:48
probably how it played out that’s
59:49
probably how it was done i mean
59:51
like i said but this is can only be
59:53
speculative on my part because
59:55
we need to prove i mean there’s people
59:57
there’s been a judge and a lawyer and
59:59
affidavits that
60:00
in italy that are coming out saying this
60:02
is all true
60:03
this is exactly how fernando spa did it
60:06
there’s an employee of fernando spa
60:07
saying yeah i changed the data i’m the
60:09
one that did part of this
60:11
well you know okay that’s great
60:14
you know you cannot look at this and say
60:16
there’s not pretty conclusive evidence
60:18
because
60:19
if there’s a guy at fernando saying yeah
60:21
i did it
60:22
well why is that not evidence if there’s
60:24
a judge saying yeah this is how this
60:26
case all handled you know there
60:27
they manipulated the votes back in the
60:29
united states
60:30
uh why is that not evidence but you see
60:33
that’s the inherent problem we have all
60:35
these
60:35
activist uh prosecutors at doj we have
60:38
the
60:39
activists at fbi and leadership now you
60:41
go down the totem pole far enough you’re
60:43
going to find just normal people but
60:45
at the leadership levels that’s the
60:47
inherent problem they’re all activists
60:49
they don’t want to do it and they’re not
60:51
going to do it and so
60:53
all of this proof and evidence that’s
60:55
out there just sits there
60:56
and that’s where we find ourselves today
60:59
and if there were more time
61:02
maybe trump could have done something to
61:03
turn this around and win it but
61:05
uh there’s just you know november from
61:08
early november till now
61:09
until being sworn in in january there’s
61:11
just not enough time to fight your way
61:13
through all of that and and that’s
61:14
that’s
61:15
that’s the prop problem trump has had
61:17
plus he’s been surrounded by people who
61:19
end up betraying him
61:21
and certainly the the old blue blood
61:24
republican
61:26
largest faction of the republican party
61:28
you know hate him
61:29
and uh and so we’ve seen them betray him
61:31
left and right and i think certainly
61:33
it’s it’s just it’s funny to me some of
61:36
the reporting where
61:37
uh after fox news reported that after
61:40
four years of loyal service
61:42
trump throws vice president uh
61:45
pence under the bus where you know the
61:48
actuality of it is that pence decided
61:50
not to try and help
61:51
trump show all this illegality and so
61:54
because what was it what was the idea
61:56
the idea was pence was supposed to
61:58
force a situation where the evidence was
62:02
going to be looked at
62:03
he wasn’t going to overturn anything he
62:06
was gonna force the evidence to be
62:07
looked at
62:08
and he declined to do it so who threw
62:11
who under the boss
62:12
and i gotta say newt gingrich who’s the
62:14
old blue blood you know republican party
62:16
kind of guy
62:17
coming out and saying that pence showed
62:19
a profile of courage
62:20
i mean i personally found that
62:23
you know a disgusting display and that’s
62:26
not a profiling courage
62:27
what’s wrong with forcing the situation
62:29
such that the evidence
62:31
gets its day in court what’s wrong with
62:33
that why is that
62:34
bad why does it make you courageous to
62:36
stop that
62:38
i think it’s the opposite i think he was
62:39
a coward i don’t think he wanted to take
62:41
the political heat for it
62:43
i think he wants to run for president in
62:44
2024
62:46
and that’s why he declined to do it to
62:48
support
62:49
president trump who legitimately has
62:51
concerns i
62:52
i i i can’t believe i mean if you’re a
62:55
democrat and really love biden and want
62:57
him to win no matter what you don’t
62:58
care about anything else okay fine you
63:00
know that’s not a
63:02
position based on reason that’s just
63:04
what you want
63:05
any person who looks at this and is
63:06
reasonable
63:08
who wants to actually know
63:11
should want this to have its day in
63:13
court you should want to have this
63:15
evidence looked at
63:16
let’s see if that list of dead people
63:19
against the list of people who voted
63:21
is true let’s see if that list of people
63:23
that moved out of the state
63:25
and are voting in that state but yet
63:27
were recorded voting here as well
63:29
let’s see if that’s true and let’s add
63:31
all that stuff up
63:32
and if it overturns the election well by
63:34
god it overturns the election
63:36
let’s take a look at those voting
63:37
machines why have those voting machines
63:39
not been inspected by anybody
63:41
why what you know if it’s a true and
63:43
honest
63:44
election that should be open to all of
63:46
us
63:47
we as citizens have the right to know
63:50
that this was a fair election
63:52
so why does this stuff not get its day
63:54
in court i mean that really is the
63:55
question why is trump
63:57
not getting his day in court and i it’s
63:59
just it’s a travesty of justice i mean i
64:01
don’t
64:02
as i say i think history is going to be
64:04
very harsh
64:05
if we ever are able to write history
64:07
again in a
64:08
truthful fashion which if we’ve lost the
64:11
ability to have fair presidential
64:12
elections in the united states
64:14
then it won’t matter the democrats will
64:16
be in power for at least a generation
64:18
and it’ll always be a senate and house
64:20
and president
64:21
that’s a democrat okay you kind of have
64:23
said this already but i
64:25
i i always want to make it a point if i
64:27
have dissent
64:28
or you know people are saying oh no hell
64:30
no whatever
64:31
what do you say to somebody here who has
64:34
uh
64:35
commented a bunch if you will
64:39
um this is just false information
64:43
well how does he know he doesn’t know
64:46
because he’s never had his day in court
64:48
i cannot prove it’s all true but he
64:50
cannot prove it’s all false
64:52
because when was it examined in court
64:54
when is it all brought out
64:56
when was it proven to be true or proven
64:59
to be false
65:00
and the answer is it never was so
65:03
anyone who says it’s false is basing
65:05
that on what they want
65:06
they want it to be false i okay you can
65:09
make the argument that i want it to be
65:11
true
65:11
but i you know i believe i believe it to
65:15
be true
65:16
but what’s you know how do you prove
65:18
that the way you prove it is to take it
65:19
to court
65:20
and let it be proven in court and and go
65:22
through the system where you have
65:23
standards of proof
65:24
you have standards of evidence all of
65:26
those things to be represented by
65:28
lawyers on both sides
65:30
and you find out what’s true and to that
65:32
whoever that individual is that keeps
65:34
saying this is false this is false
65:36
you know you don’t know that’s a lie to
65:38
say it’s false because you don’t know
65:40
that
65:40
because it hasn’t had its day in court
65:42
if you want it to be false
65:44
great just say that you know you don’t
65:46
believe it
65:47
that’s one thing but if until it gets
65:50
its day in court which
65:51
may not ever uh nobody knows and
65:54
like i said the things i’ve seen i
65:56
believe are true but for example
65:58
just because i’ve seen the list that
66:00
shows all these dead people
66:03
uh you know against the death reports
66:05
who were on the voter rolls
66:07
and showed that they voted i saw those
66:10
things
66:11
i believe them to be true but those have
66:13
not been
66:14
tested in court where you have all those
66:16
standards of evidence that they have to
66:18
go through
66:19
and that’s why i want to i really
66:22
honestly think we all deserve to see
66:24
that
66:24
we all deserve to find out is is it an
66:27
honest election
66:28
and until that stuff gets examined you
66:30
know with those standards of court
66:33
we don’t know okay no
66:36
i said that i’d be closing out with that
66:38
but i lied sorry i’ve got one more
66:40
this just came in no i i i forgot about
66:43
this but it’s super super important
66:45
because people are going nuts on it
66:47
okay is the rumor of trump invoking
66:51
something called the insurrection act of
66:53
1807 allowing him to remain
66:55
president until this is looked into
66:57
properly even a possibility and i think
66:59
this is important because
67:01
you know just saying okay i’m staying in
67:03
office hell with everybody that’s
67:05
kind of a pretty scary um concept
67:09
well certainly if the question is is a
67:11
possibility yes it’s a possibility but i
67:13
think it’s a very distant one i don’t
67:15
think it’s going to happen
67:16
uh and talking about flynn that we spoke
67:19
about earlier flynn was
67:20
was pushing for martial law and
67:22
different things
67:23
of this nature and was was really trying
67:25
to talk the president into doing it
67:27
about a week ago
67:28
uh he apparently had kind of a
67:32
not a confrontation but you know very uh
67:35
vociferously
67:36
pushing the president to act on this and
67:38
as a result he ended up getting
67:40
kind of kicked out of the white house
67:41
and apparently hasn’t been back since
67:43
because it was sort of an argument of it
67:44
well
67:45
i take that as as a very strong
67:47
indicator that the president just isn’t
67:48
interested in doing those sorts of
67:50
things so
67:50
i don’t think there’s a chance of seeing
67:52
any of that happen he hasn’t talked
67:54
about it hasn’t shown himself willing to
67:56
consider it
67:57
it is it isn’t something that appears to
67:59
be kicked around within his inner circle
68:02
uh at least that i see or i’m aware of
68:05
not that i’m you know like totally
68:06
hooked into all of that but
68:07
it just doesn’t appear to be anything
68:09
he’s actively considering it
68:11
considering now i understand for people
68:14
for patriots who don’t want to see
68:16
a a president tossed out unfairly which
68:19
certainly appears to be what we have
68:20
here
68:21
that we’re kind of looking for hope and
68:25
i i don’t have any good news on that
68:28
score that i can share
68:29
i wish i did i i just don’t i don’t have
68:32
any i think the president
68:34
on this may be the place to end this but
68:36
i think the president has entered into
68:38
one of those moments
68:39
uh like when caesar back in the roman
68:42
days got assassinated and stabbed by all
68:44
those guys
68:45
and he saw his adopted son brutus and
68:48
said
68:49
to brutus i really i think that the
68:51
president
68:53
has entered into that moment where he’s
68:55
seen himself stabbed in the back by
68:58
secretary of state pompeo who he brought
69:00
from obscurity
69:02
to be the director of the cia and then
69:03
secretary of state
69:05
and his vice president pence and many
69:07
many many others
69:08
mitch mcconnell many others who’ve
69:11
stabbed him in the back over and over
69:12
and i think he’s at that
69:14
at two brutus moment uh realized that
69:17
he’s been
69:18
been politically assassinated by all of
69:20
these people and stabbed repeatedly so
69:23
i think that’s where he’s arrived at and
69:25
he’s looking at this going
69:26
all right i’m going to fight on but not
69:28
as president
69:29
and uh i don’t have the backing to do
69:32
anything
69:34
can he on his way out because i mean i
69:37
think you would agree
69:38
that there’s there’s a lot of
69:40
potentially
69:41
truth that is um that could be revealed
69:47
what about pardoning assange and snowden
69:51
well that’s an interesting thing there’s
69:53
a lot of back and forth on that and i
69:54
i i don’t know i haven’t made up my
69:58
made up my mind i mean i worry about
70:01
snowden in particular because he did
70:03
blow a lot of stuff that was
70:05
that should not have come out in the
70:06
public uh now
70:08
granted the defense of that is that some
70:10
of this was
70:11
looking at uh u.s citizens and so that
70:14
was sort of the cover for
70:16
it but he ended up in the hands of the
70:17
russians
70:19
so i look at that and go snowden i
70:21
probably
70:22
would not assange uh the rumors are out
70:25
there that assange was actually
70:26
at a couple places trying to work with
70:29
uh the department of
70:30
the sec the us department of
70:34
state department i’m sorry to try and
70:36
make sure that certain classified
70:37
documents didn’t get out
70:39
and that some of them were important so
70:41
he was trying to do a process where he’s
70:42
saying
70:43
look this stuff is out there someplace
70:45
people are sending me copies of it
70:46
you need to go check and see what the
70:48
problem is so in the case of assange
70:50
there may be some
70:52
mitigating circumstances with him so
70:53
that might be a consideration
70:55
but let me say one thing about pardons
70:59
now i i do know for a fact that
71:01
president trump does
71:02
like my some of my interviews at least
71:05
and has watched at least some of them
71:07
so if president trump you’re watching
71:10
this one
71:11
do not forget on your way out the door
71:13
before you turn off the light
71:15
pardon yourself because it doesn’t
71:17
matter that you’re not guilty of
71:19
anything
71:20
they are going to go after you in every
71:21
way shape and form that they can
71:23
so make sure you pardon yourself so that
71:27
you block a lot of their efforts to go
71:29
after you just look at what they’re
71:30
doing right now trying to impeach again
71:32
with
71:33
10 days left and all this nonsense
71:35
pardon yourself
71:38
well perfect that’s a great place to
71:40
wrap it up
71:41
and people can find you at
71:45
intelreform.com or org uh it’s
71:48
americans for intelligence reform at
71:51
intelreform.org
71:53
perfect perfect and that’s your central
71:55
place you also have a channel
71:57
which is under brad johnson and it’s
71:58
blowing up folks so
72:00
get it early so you can say you’re one
72:02
of the early people before
72:04
completely um ballistic and i’m on
72:07
either
72:07
under brad johnson or americans for
72:09
intelligence reform on
72:11
twitter on facebook on youtube on tumblr
72:13
on
72:14
uh parlor uh gab
72:17
i’m at it all over the place you’re on
72:19
tumblr
72:20
yeah yeah yeah
72:24
you know why it posts there
72:25
automatically so it was easy to do so
72:27
what the heck
72:28
oh i’m on bit shoot too i’m on a lot of
72:30
these places
72:31
all right well thank you very very much
72:35
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72:35
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