American Political Zone: China, Iran, Communism, and the US with guests Brad Johnson, Dr. Carole Lieberman and Jennifer Kearns

With so many enemies both internal and external, why is Biden soft on China, Russia, and Iran? What is Twitter’s “bird watching” all about? Why so many lies on the TEVUS – a DHS data base who categorized the Islamist terrorists of 9/11 classified as white? Why are conservative voices being censored and why is the GOP doing so little to stand up and represent the citizens who voted them in? And what can we do to stop the madness before it’s too late?

Brad Johnson, CIA Chief of Station (Ret.), is President of Americans for Intelligence Reform and brings his 25 years of experience as a CIA Operative to news both global and domestic. He brings you his unique perspective from deep, international experience. Now retired, he formed Americans for Intelligence Reform to fight exactly the corruption and politics destroying our intelligence capabilities and threatening our national security.


welcome to the american
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american political zone in the vernicio
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novak report
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from new york this is frank fernuccio
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and we are having i i think a kind of
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fascinating week particularly in foreign
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affairs
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uh the administration the biden
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administration has
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spoken with vladimir putin they’ve
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decided to renew
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the nuclear deal that barack obama and
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joe biden originally negotiated back at
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the start of
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obama’s term there was a great deal of
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criticism for it
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for the simple reason that it gave the
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russians for the first time in history
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this includes the cold war
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the lead in nuclear arms now one of the
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criticisms of renewing this deal or
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indeed
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any deal uh concerning the russians and
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nuclear arms
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has been the fact that the russians
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perennially cheat
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this is nothing new since the dawn of
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the nuclear age and the negotiations
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between the former soviet union
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and the united states the russians have
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always been
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basically avoiding full compliance with
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it
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this puts the united states at a
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substantial disadvantage
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because of the free press in the u.s and
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contrary
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and opposing political parties it’s not
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easy
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in fact it’s impossible pretty much for
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the united states to actually cheat
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the russians don’t have the
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complications of a free press
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or a democratic system where parties
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contend against each other
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they have been free to cheat the problem
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has gotten more substantial lately
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in the russian equivalent of the state
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of the state addressed several years ago
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vladimir putin emphasized two things one
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that russia was moving ahead
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with a new sophisticated array of
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nuclear weapons
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but he also and perhaps most worrisomely
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talked about the acceptability of using
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nuclear arms
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not in a strategic sense but in a
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battlefield sense a tactical sense
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indeed nuclear weapons are cheap
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compared to holding vast numbers of
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tanks or troops
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at the ready and putin said in his
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speech
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that should there be a conflict between
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russia
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and undisclosed other nations that he
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would not hesitate to consider
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battlefield nuclear weapons as just one
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more type of artillery show
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just one more type of weapon lowering
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the threshold dramatically
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of when nuclear weapons would be used
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i haven’t seen in fact no one has quite
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seen a hundred percent of the
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context of the discussion between
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biden’s administration
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and vladimir putin we don’t know yet
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whether there are some additional
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controls that have been put in place
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so that the russians are constrained a
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bit more from cheating
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one of the other side effects of what’s
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been going on in these talks is that
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the russians and the americans have
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backed off from
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inspections there was something called
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the open skies treaty
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uh the russians basically were not
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complying with that either what a
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surprise right
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and so the united states under president
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trump said if the russians are not
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complying well we’re not going to comply
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either
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so both sides backed off of complying
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with the open skies treaty
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basically because of russian cheating so
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we are kind of back to that nuclear
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doomsday scenario
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where both sides are to some extent
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looking at nuclear weapons whether this
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new
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extension of the start treaty the new
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star treaty
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will work depends on how intense either
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russian compliance is
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or how significant american oversight of
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russian compliance can be and how
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accurate
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that can be the other issue in foreign
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affairs which is i think really becoming
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a significant issue
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of course is the u.s kind of pulling
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back
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from china the right the chinese
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have been making threatening moves
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towards taiwan the u.s
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has in response sent an aircraft carrier
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to the region
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where that goes in fact nobody knows
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the fact is there is a great deal of
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suspicion that because the biden
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administration
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the family of joe biden has gotten
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incredibly rich from dealing with china
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there’s deep suspicion that perhaps
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biden doesn’t take the china threat
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as seriously as she should have indeed
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during the campaign in response to a
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question
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joe biden said come on man the chinese
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they’re not a problem you know it’s
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something to though that effect
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so we are deeply concerned about whether
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the biden administration
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takes china seriously tellingly enough
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just as the biden administration took
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over
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the state department now under the
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control of the biden administration
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kind of downgraded the china threat
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and so the what used to be called
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basically a strategic
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adversary uh has been reduced to what
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the state department now calls china as
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a strategic
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competitor which has less i guess
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warlike tones to it but the problem
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remains
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china is increasing its aggression in
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the south china sea and in the
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indo-pacific region
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it is making extraordinarily an
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unprecedented threatening moves
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towards taiwan you know this is the type
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of situation
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where it becomes so serious even an
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accident an accidental war can begin
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just as world war 1 started at sarajevo
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no one thought it was going to become as
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terrible as it did
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now we’re in that situation with china
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china is making moves towards taiwan
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i think they are betting that if they
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get more aggressive both with taiwan and
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the rest of the region
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that the biden administration will not
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respond
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is that right is that wrong no one
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really knows at that point
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but those are the type of situations
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that start wars accidentally it is a
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dangerous situation
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one that really we have to worry about
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we’ll have to see how it is going
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forward
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china has mainland china the prc
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has one disadvantage in going against
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taiwan
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taiwan is a prize that they want to
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swallow hold they don’t want to take
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over
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taiwan when it’s nothing more than a
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burnt cinder as a result of intense
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military action
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so they will continue i think to
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threaten taiwan and see whether they can
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cower the taiwanese into not
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responding with military force to
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military action
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by the chinese liberation army
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politically china has made a mistake
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in their occupation of hong kong by not
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complying
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with their agreement to let taiwan
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have in its own brand of self-government
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for at least 50 years
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they’ve alerted the taiwanese that
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really you can’t trust
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chinese government that any claims that
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they might have
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of being a benevolent ruler of taiwan
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really have gone out the window
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as we see roundups of politicians in in
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hong kong
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as we see freedom advocates in taiwan
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become increasingly
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threatened and jailed imprisoned and so
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forth
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the promises that mainland china might
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make to taiwan
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really don’t hold a lot of credibility
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and so the only way china really is
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going to be able to take taiwan
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is by force of arms and again i don’t
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think they want taiwan to be
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simply a bunch of ashes when they take
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it over we’ll see how this develops
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but right now it’s not looking very
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promising and part of the problem for
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that
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is the soft response that biden has
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given so far
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and in fact has had throughout his
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campaign leading up to his
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presidency towards china make no mistake
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about it
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china is a massive military power
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and i think to some extent they
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differentiate from the soviet union
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in that the soviets never i don’t think
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really
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were intent on using their military
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power unless they could win
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decisively i think the chinese
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feel that they could take a lot of hits
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a lot of casualties
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and it would still be worth it to them
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to go ahead with military action
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i guess when you have over a billion
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people taking substantial
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losses is not going to be as much of a
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concern as it is to a country
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like russia which has actually a
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declining population
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where do we go from here then you know
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part of the problem we have is that
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there is going to be
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a probable decline in defense spending
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under the biden administration go back
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to the obama administration and you
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recall
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that the american armed forces became
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what’s called a
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hollowed out force and
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there were planes tanks
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ships that couldn’t operate fully for
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lack of spare parts
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there were service men and women
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soldiers sailors airmen and marines who
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were kept on station
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far too long because there was not
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enough money to hire replacements or to
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hire
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an adequate size force that became a
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real crisis and if we see that again
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during the biden administration
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the effects will be even worse than they
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were during the obama administration
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china and russia have now both pretty
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much
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completed a multi-decade military
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buildup you recall
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after the fall of the soviet union uh
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the soviet forces now russian forces
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were pretty much in disarray
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they became rusted and sort of obsolete
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but under the vladimir putin role
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those armed forces have been built back
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they are back to where they were they
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are a powerful force
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numerically not quite the same as they
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were in the soviet union
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but certainly more advanced
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technologically
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better trained better equipped and
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probably a lot better morale as well
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we’ve seen the middle east use
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essentially
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as a testing ground for russian weapons
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particularly in their support for bashir
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al-assad of syria
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that has become kind of what spain was
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before the second world war you recall
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we’re both the fascist
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and communist forces clashed in spain it
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became a precursor to the second world
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war
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where both sides tested out their
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equipment and their strategy
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that’s what we’ve seen in the middle
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east over the past couple of years
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where does that go from here with russia
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we know that russia became the first
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country in the post-world war
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ii era to change the boundaries of
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europe by
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force with their invasion of ukraine the
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takeover of crimea
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now those events occurred under the
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obama administration
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obama was famously reluctant not to
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counter the russians or other acts of
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aggression
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will the russians feel that they have
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the same advantage
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under a biden administration some of the
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signs are not encouraging
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to some extent joe biden has proven
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even more of a pacifist than barack
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obama i mean you recall that
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when the red line in syria was crossed
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where by obama originally said
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if you use poison gas we will intervene
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and stop that conflict
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well the syrians did use poison gas and
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obama
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simply pretended the red line didn’t
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exist
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after that occurred the russians had the
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confidence to go in and take over crimea
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invade the ukraine
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will the russians see a biden
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administration
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as suffering from that same pacifist we
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will see
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and are we i believe we have our first
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guest
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okay let’s go to our first guest and
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jennifer kearns is the host of a new
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nationally syndicated show
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all-american radio with jennifer kearns
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she has served as a gop strategist
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a spokeswoman for the california
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republican party
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strategist for the calif colorado recall
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over the second amendment
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and a writer researcher for the most
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watched u.s presidential debate
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of the 2016 election cycle for fox news
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jennifer welcome to the program hey
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great to be with you
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now i i understand that harvard students
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are interested in revoking
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the diplomas of trump supporters tell us
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a bit about that
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well look this is shockingly
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uh not that surprising um that
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with the council culture gaining
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momentum with the election of joe biden
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i think we’re going to see more and more
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nonsense like this um
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you know the biden camp or at least
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the left wing of writing parties uh
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seems to think that you know it wasn’t
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just good enough to win the election
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right
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you have to now go back and erase the
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last
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history and erase the history of those
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who might have been trump supporters and
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in this case include
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people who who actually got their
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diplomas
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from harvard university once upon a time
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these are people like senator ted cruz
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uh former white house press secretary
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kaylee mcinadie
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uh students at harvard now want harvard
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to cancel their diplomas literally rip
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them up and put them in the trash can
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and strip them of what they worked so
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hard for when they attended harvard and
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harvard law school it is just
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craziness uh that we’re seeing now now
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that the left has
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has power in the country how far is this
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going to go you know we’ve seen
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something in the past couple of
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perhaps just the past 10 days or so
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where now if you use
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certain terms you could threaten to be
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be tossed off twitter or facebook if you
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say for example the phrase
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stolen election um you’re
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kicked off facebook you’re kicked off
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twitter
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this really has brought back memories of
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the type of censorship we’ve seen in
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authoritarian regimes across the planet
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how far does this go before even those
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on the
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left begin to say hey wait a minute this
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is dangerous this has gone too far
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yeah it is it it does remind you of
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authoritarian regimes around the world
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it also reminds you of george orwell’s
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1984
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uh the fact that we have this sort of
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you know thought police
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out there uh this is frightening and
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this is this is chilling
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and and i don’t think it’s going to stop
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anytime soon
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unless there are some good reasonable
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uh minded folks within the democrat
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party i think those are the only people
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that can stop it at this point
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now you remember in the trump
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administration um
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they were always calling for a good
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republicans to stand up and
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you know speak truth to power to donald
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trump uh such as you know former
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uh uh press secretaries and and former
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military
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advisers and secretaries of defense uh
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you know to speak out against donald
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trump well we need that sort of movement
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with
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the democratic party to now come forward
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and say look
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this is not what the democratic party
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historically says that they stand for
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uh the democrat party of the past and
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even as recently as the 1960s said
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in fact it was the patriotic duty to
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question
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uh our government and to question
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authority and to have free speech
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and not have any limits on that even in
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the trump administration
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you saw democrats very concerned about
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the first amendment
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they were very concerned about access of
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the press
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and freedom to say whatever you wanted
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to say and it’s funny
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how just in the last six days seven days
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now since joe biden got sworn in
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how all of that has changed and has gone
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completely out the window
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you know there’s a new wrinkle that was
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added just i think in the past couple of
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days
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we’ve seen people who use the phrase
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stolen election
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not only being thrown off social media
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but now they’re being branded according
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to people like alexandria ocasio-cortez
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as domestic terrorists
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and of course that phrase domestic
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terrorist is a serious one
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if you’re branded a terrorist you don’t
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have you won’t have the ability to fly
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you can have all sorts of nasty things
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happen to you legally
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do you see that as gaining traction
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outside of the hard left
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or you know is this something that is
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simply alexandria ocasio-cortez talking
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to
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ilyan omar that sort of thing but it
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does seem to be getting
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wider attraction we’ve heard for example
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nancy pelosi
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kind of get into that type of language
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as well
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this is quite frightening and i’ll reply
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with two things here number one i am a
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child of
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oklahoma city was raised in oklahoma
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city lived in oklahoma city during the
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1995
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bombing of the alfred p murrah building
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uh
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which killed you know a couple hundred
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americans and injured hundreds more
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so uh for anyone to suggest that
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someone’s actually
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is a domestic terrorist it is just
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that is offensive to anyone who survived
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oklahoma city
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who survived 9 11. i mean that is just
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an offensive offensive thing
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for alexandria ocasio-cortez and her
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friends to say
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but number two to answer your question
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uh
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this does have legs outside of the left
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wing of the party uh
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i broke the news on my radio show sunday
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night all americanradio.com
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uh and and on our news site all american
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news dot com
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that uh senior members of the trump
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campaign
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are now having their tsa global entry
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passes
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revoked that happened over the weekend
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uh one
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one senior trump official uh contacted
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me
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and uh and my team and said hey you know
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you need to know this is happening
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this is a person who’s been a grassroots
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upstanding
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gop activist that for many years i
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worked with him for about 10 years at
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at one of the major national gop think
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tanks
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uh this is an upstanding guy he’s
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married he’s got a great family
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and simply because he chose to help
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president trump in the final months of
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the election
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he received an email he believes
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that’s the reason he received an email
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over the weekend from the tsa the
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transportation security administration
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saying your tsa global entry pass has
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been
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revoked well upon reporting that we
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actually heard from
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seven more lower level trump staffers
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who said they received the same message
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from the tsa over the weekend so
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this is very serious business it harkens
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back to when the obama administration
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actually put james o’keefe of project
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veritas
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on the no-fly list when he was on trial
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for
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a video he took in the u.s senate
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you might remember that mary landrieu i
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think once this was the
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person he was trying to get video of um
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this is the weaponization of the tsa and
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and i believe it will spread to
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other departments within the united
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states government this is chilling
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this is frightening it’s un-american and
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it has no place in american politics
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and please say we are joined by the
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president of the americans for
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intelligence reform brad johnson
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he’s a distinguished former cia station
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chief in eastern europe
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brad during your time welcome to the
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program first of all
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thank you very much good to be with you
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your experience in eastern europe
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certainly before the
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fall of the soviet union did these sort
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of things sound familiar to you is these
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the sort of things that
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uh the soviets would do or eastern
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european governments during their
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communist bloc
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years were due to dissidents within
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their own population
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yeah absolutely it’s it’s some it’s just
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standard operating procedures from any
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uh leftist strongly leftist oriented
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government and it’s something we’ve seen
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over and over and over and in fact uh
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when con there’s a communist socialist
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takeover in any country these are the
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types of things that you see that get
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enacted the very first thing they do
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and i think we’ve all seen this uh is
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they take over
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uh whatever the media is and it becomes
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a state-run media because
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uh the left here in the united states
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the socialist
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progressive communists whatever you want
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to call them they’re all the same thing
21:34
uh what they of course are very very uh
21:38
try very hard to do is make sure that
21:40
they control all
21:41
aspects of media and that’s why we see
21:43
all of this continued
21:44
follow-up and targeting and uh
21:47
the the the attempts to destroy any type
21:51
of media
21:52
that reports anything other than what
21:54
they want and
21:56
the soviet union certainly did that they
21:57
tightly controlled all media
21:59
and wouldn’t allow other types of
22:01
reporting to come in but that’s that’s
22:03
the same thing is done even in the days
22:05
of for example
22:06
the sandinistas when it was communist
22:08
nicaragua
22:09
uh certainly cuba we see that today in
22:12
venezuela
22:13
once there was that socialist takeover
22:15
they became state-run media in every way
22:18
and outside opinion just is not allowed
22:21
in the internet is controlled we see it
22:23
today in north korea
22:25
in china they just don’t allow the
22:27
freedom of speech and the freedom to
22:29
express
22:30
thought and that’s certainly what we’re
22:32
seeing today in the united states even
22:34
right now myself i get very strongly
22:37
censored because i express
22:38
opinion that i think there was a lot of
22:40
fraudulent elements to the election that
22:43
took place
22:44
uh for the for president this time
22:45
around and that is that’s
22:47
very severely censored and people are
22:50
most if not most but many of the people
22:52
i know
22:52
have been thrown off youtube and twitter
22:54
and facebook for just mentioning these
22:56
things and they’re not
22:57
they are not free to to provide their
23:00
opinion
23:01
on how they view it and i’ll say
23:05
if you go down the fact list there’s
23:07
more to support that there were
23:08
fraudulent elections
23:10
than there is to support there were that
23:12
it was completely fair and free
23:13
elections
23:14
such things as some of these are
23:16
extremely well documented
23:17
like voter rolls people who had voted
23:20
and you look at the death rolls
23:22
and people who have died voted and in
23:24
the thousands
23:25
and people who were too young to vote
23:27
also voted in the thousands
23:29
so you you start adding all of those
23:31
things up and they never got their day
23:32
in court
23:34
and it’s an unfortunate thing but that’s
23:36
the type of
23:37
censorship we’re faced with today and
23:38
it’s something that’s uh i i agree
23:41
it’s just something that’s absolutely
23:43
shocking disgusting and should
23:45
not be allowed anywhere in the world but
23:47
most assuredly not here in the united
23:49
states where we’re the
23:50
we’re the shining beacon of truth and
23:52
justice and
23:54
and and that light is being diminished
23:55
by what we see the left doing today
23:58
jennifer before going on your nationally
24:00
syndicated show the all-american radio
24:02
with jennifer kearns
24:03
you are a spokeswoman for the california
24:05
republican party
24:07
do you think that the current
24:09
spokespeople for republican parties
24:11
or any centrist organization around the
24:13
united states today
24:15
has a free hand to actually engage in
24:18
political discourse or do you feel that
24:20
there is now a
24:21
deep chilling effect because of these
24:25
brandings of people who disagree with uh
24:28
who are the people who call as brad
24:29
said stolen elections stolen elections
24:33
uh that they’re being labeled as
24:35
domestic terrorists do you feel there is
24:36
a
24:37
definite chilling effect to all this
24:40
i do feel there’s a chilling effect the
24:42
likes of which we have not seen in our
24:44
generation
24:45
and actually perhaps in american history
24:48
it is the
24:49
number one question i’m getting from
24:50
people i hear from people all over
24:52
all over the country mostly because i
24:55
i’ve worked in you know several
24:56
key states in swing states and blue
24:58
states people calling
25:00
asking for advice about should they
25:01
close their twitter account should they
25:03
move onto facebook
25:04
a lot of people changing to aliases um
25:07
so you have like you know
25:08
all-american gin instead of like your
25:11
actual name because people are fearful
25:13
that they’re going to get canceled
25:14
people are fearful of retribution
25:17
they feel that their employers are going
25:19
to get contacted if they say anything
25:21
case in point there’s a couple in norman
25:24
oklahoma law abiding couples
25:26
that were involved in a mayor’s recall
25:29
campaign over the summer last summer
25:31
over the defending of police
25:33
these two individuals had never been
25:35
involved in politics before
25:37
they actually chose to go to washington
25:40
dc on january 6
25:41
to participate in watching the electoral
25:44
college vote because
25:45
they were there for accountability
25:47
transparency they participated in the
25:49
lighter festivities of the morning
25:51
then they went back to their hotel then
25:53
the riot broke out right
25:55
they came home a couple days later they
25:58
stayed barricaded in their hotel for a
25:59
couple of days due to the lockdown in
26:01
d.c
26:02
they boarded the airplane on the
26:04
airplane home
26:05
they found out they were already being
26:07
attacked on facebook by the left-wing
26:09
trolls
26:10
back in their town of norman oklahoma a
26:12
town that defunded the police
26:13
and has sort of gone off their
26:15
reservation
26:16
and when they got home the woman who is
26:20
a small business owner and a doctor
26:22
a medical doctor found her practice
26:25
being attacked
26:26
her staff members being called her
26:28
nurses being called
26:29
saying that they’re going to put them
26:30
out of business simply because she was
26:32
in d.c she was nowhere near the protest
26:35
her phone data would show that this
26:38
is the kind of uh destruction that’s
26:40
happening
26:41
at the grassroots level in america and i
26:44
think of them
26:45
those are just two people there were 800
26:47
000 people in bc that day it probably
26:50
happened to a good portion
26:51
of hundreds of thousands of people when
26:53
they got home
26:54
they were chastised they were threatened
26:56
because they simply chose to go to the
26:58
nation’s capital and participate
27:02
so where does really what is the point
27:05
at this point where do we go from here
27:07
should people
27:08
on the right or in the center and on the
27:09
right uh band together
27:11
go to a different website uh should they
27:13
get legal defense funds set up you know
27:16
our friends on the left are certainly
27:18
very adept at setting these things up
27:20
legal defense funds and so forth
27:22
is it time for perhaps conservatives or
27:24
republicans as a whole to do
27:26
the same thing well i think so look
27:30
i always have a good first amendment
27:32
attorney um
27:33
i know many out there harvey dylan is
27:35
one of the best
27:37
uh she was my client for many years and
27:39
is a great friend of mine from
27:40
california she’s fantastic
27:42
she has the center for american liberty
27:44
i don’t get paid anything to say that
27:46
people like harmony all across the
27:48
country um
27:49
band together what i say is is when the
27:52
big tech god
27:54
uh tried to drive you out get together
27:57
with people
27:58
in person this might be perhaps we went
28:01
from
28:02
the insurrection maybe we can go now to
28:04
the resurrection
28:06
and that is that all politics is local
28:08
get with people in your community
28:10
get face to face as much as you can
28:12
safely with kobe
28:13
and really start to build your
28:15
organizations at the community level
28:17
because
28:18
they can throw you off of twitter they
28:19
can throw it off of facebook
28:21
but but it’s becoming increasingly hard
28:23
for them to stop you from being able to
28:25
get together
28:26
by the way uh big tech suffered a really
28:30
damaging poll in the last week
28:32
that the trust among big tech and social
28:34
media is
28:35
now down to the lowest it’s ever been
28:37
only 27
28:39
of americans say they trust big tech
28:41
incidentally they were laughing at
28:43
donald trump
28:44
that he only had a 47 rating on his way
28:46
out the door
28:47
uh that was one of the highest of any us
28:49
president since ever left
28:50
big tech has only about half of the
28:53
approval ratings that trump had
28:54
the day he left office jennifer kearns
28:58
host of the new nationally syndicated
28:59
show
29:00
all-american radio with jennifer kearns
29:02
thanks so much for being on the program
29:05
thank you so much brad i can’t believe
29:09
i’m asking you this question
29:12
but are there tactics that you saw
29:15
during your time in eastern europe
29:17
that american republicans or
29:19
conservatives should be considering now
29:22
in terms of getting their voices out
29:24
there
29:26
well yes and no i mean uh a lot of the
29:30
best tactics that are used and are used
29:32
by the left
29:33
of course are based on pure falsehoods
29:36
and the the theory and this was
29:37
something that actually was championed
29:40
by the left under in the nazi period by
29:42
goebbels
29:43
and it was something that’s been picked
29:45
up and was heavily used
29:47
by the soviet union who had a very
29:49
closely aligned type of government
29:51
uh an enemy power of the nazis but
29:53
nevertheless
29:54
both were socialist communist type
29:56
organization
29:57
organized as governments and that is
29:59
where there’s smoke there’s fire
30:01
so what they would do is completely
30:02
invent a story and this is used been
30:04
used by
30:05
by the then kgb now svr even through
30:08
today
30:08
where they just keep saying something
30:10
over and over and they use their friends
30:11
in other countries to keep saying it
30:13
over and over and over
30:14
and so it is a propaganda technique that
30:17
people
30:18
start to hear it so many times that they
30:20
go well there’s so much smoke
30:22
there must be fire there must be a
30:24
kernel of truth
30:25
to that and we see that played over and
30:27
over for example
30:28
that is precisely the technique that is
30:30
used today
30:31
by the global warming advocates
30:35
it’s it’s there’s there’s smoke there’s
30:36
smoke there’s smoke there’s smoke
30:38
and a large percentage of the population
30:40
think well there must be some fire
30:42
underneath there there must be
30:43
some truth to it but it takes only a
30:46
cursory examination by anyone with a
30:48
you know a high school education to dig
30:50
down into this and look at it and go
30:52
well
30:52
there’s no there there there’s no
30:54
science to this whatsoever
30:56
i mean there’s overwhelming signs that
30:58
the sun is what controls the temperature
31:00
of the earth
31:01
there is not even a theory that
31:04
separates out
31:05
what man does and how that
31:08
supplements or contradicts what the sun
31:11
is doing to either lower or raise the
31:13
temperature of the planet earth
31:15
there isn’t even a theory there’s no
31:16
mathematical models that
31:18
that would demonstrate what has to
31:20
happen for that to take place
31:22
there’s zero evidence at all and yet
31:25
this is promulgated as as fact that it’s
31:28
settled science and all that
31:30
which is pure propaganda technique now
31:32
we on the conservative the christian
31:34
conservative the constitutionalist side
31:36
of this
31:37
we’re limited because we only try to use
31:40
truth in this
31:41
so it’s always reactive by nature
31:44
because now i can point out to anyone
31:45
listening
31:46
that this this stuff about global
31:48
warming is complete nonsense
31:50
but it’s the same thing i can point out
31:52
how this all these theories out there
31:54
about how
31:55
right wing white extremist violence is
31:57
on the rise and there’s all these cases
31:59
of it
32:00
and i can point out there’s a study on
32:01
my website that
32:03
that it’s on tvis that tvs is the uh
32:06
terrorist a domestic terrorism report on
32:09
the united states where all this stuff
32:11
is supposed to come from
32:12
and it’s what’s used by dhs and state
32:14
department and the government
32:16
to point the finger at right-wing white
32:18
extremist violence
32:20
but it’s all nonsense that the report is
32:22
badly manipulated
32:24
and according to those figures where
32:26
they get these numbers
32:28
is they blame 911
32:31
on right wing white terrorism 911
32:35
and every one of those people was an
32:36
arab and there was only one that wasn’t
32:38
even saudi
32:39
and in that report just to prove that
32:42
it’s deception being practiced
32:44
in the report it gives an option under
32:46
race for arab
32:47
but they didn’t they checked white for 9
32:50
11. so we
32:51
we we’re faced with only being able to
32:53
point out the truth of this
32:56
to counteract it so it makes us reactive
32:58
how do we become
32:59
proactive and start attacking and that
33:02
is the that is a real problem
33:04
the only way we can is to use the
33:06
justice system
33:08
to when they go so far off the rails
33:09
that they’re doing things that are
33:11
illegal
33:12
like the use of doj and the fbi
33:15
and the cia to target political
33:18
opposition in the form of president
33:19
trump
33:20
but because we don’t control those the
33:23
left does and they suppress the truth
33:25
and they suppress the use of the justice
33:27
system to support the laws
33:29
i i don’t know it’s becoming very
33:31
frustrating but i think it begins at the
33:33
grassroots level and we’ve got to work
33:35
our way back
33:36
up and these people just have to simply
33:38
be put in jail
33:40
with severe sentences in order to act as
33:43
a deterrent so
33:45
i think that’s really the way forward
33:47
that we have to do it and it’s going to
33:48
be a very tough road
33:49
because those people have most of the
33:51
power in their hands and they’re not
33:53
going to want to
33:53
volunteer to go to jail so it’s going to
33:56
have to be forced upon them the justice
33:58
system has to be turned back
33:59
to enforcing u.s laws and the
34:01
constitution and justice
34:04
we’re going to be joined shortly by our
34:05
next guest but i you know i
34:08
i recall brad you and i had a
34:09
conversation uh i think it was back
34:11
in early august on the air and we talked
34:15
about
34:16
how imminent we both thought
34:19
the durham report was that the attorney
34:21
general was going to release this thing
34:23
never saw the light of day is it
34:26
another chilling effect on those on the
34:29
republican
34:29
or gop side or conservative side that
34:32
in fact the left seems to break the law
34:36
with
34:36
absolute impunity
34:39
they do and it is uh it is
34:42
it’s so disappointing and shocking and
34:44
frightening uh that what what has
34:47
happened and
34:47
i would have to say i i i can’t even
34:50
describe
34:51
certainly on a program for families
34:53
where i can’t use bad words
34:55
i can’t even begin to describe how
34:56
disappointed i am in in former u.s
34:59
attorney general barr
35:00
i mean what a disappointment i think
35:02
he’ll go down in history as
35:03
as basically a one gigantic nothing
35:06
burger
35:06
and this durham uh investigation of u.s
35:09
attorney durham
35:11
uh is is clearly slow walking it he’s
35:13
taking his time and they’ve said now
35:15
that it’s only
35:16
going to be a include a very small
35:18
number of
35:19
of fbi officials and you know
35:22
relatively small cro uh acts of criminal
35:25
behaviors so
35:26
uh if if that’s what’s true this is
35:29
extraordinarily disappointing
35:32
you know i found personally one of the
35:35
most chilling things that i encountered
35:37
was when i realized that anyone who’s
35:39
using the phrase stolen election
35:41
and indeed it was a stolen election is
35:43
now being labeled a domestic terrorist
35:46
where do we go from there i mean at this
35:48
point since the press is totally in the
35:50
pocket of the hard left at this point
35:52
i don’t think that’s an outrageous
35:53
statement i think it’s a a pretty
35:55
obvious statement
35:57
i what threats what measures do we take
36:00
in self-defense
36:02
what was done and this is why i’m so
36:04
interested in your experience in eastern
36:05
europe
36:06
obviously under the soviet control of
36:08
those eastern european countries
36:10
it was quite a risk to point out the
36:12
truth just as you’re saying
36:13
you know they the truth really didn’t
36:16
matter
36:17
to the soviets uh to the communists in
36:19
eastern europe
36:20
now we’re in the same situation i think
36:22
with the biden administration
36:24
with the aid of the media so what are
36:27
the best tactics
36:28
for folks to respond
36:31
you know i think those are still being
36:33
built and and certainly the responses
36:35
is difficult uh i think
36:38
one of the things that we have to do is
36:41
part of the the problem is there’s
36:44
nobody fighting
36:45
for the american people anymore and uh
36:48
you look at congress this the the
36:50
republican congressmen and senators
36:52
with without with a very few exceptions
36:55
almost nobody fights for us
36:56
so i think one of the things that we
36:58
have to do is again at that grassroots
37:00
level
37:01
we have to start going after those
37:02
people and primary them
37:04
we do as republicans still control the
37:06
republican primaries even though there’s
37:09
probably cheating going on in the
37:10
general elections but one of the things
37:12
that can take place and something we’re
37:14
beginning to see
37:15
is there’s a groundswell of support to
37:17
go after those 10 congressmen republican
37:19
congressmen
37:20
who voted to impeach president trump
37:22
including uh liz cheney
37:24
and so that’s one of those things where
37:26
we have to get if we could
37:28
get rid of every single one of those 10
37:30
in the primary
37:32
that will send chills down the spine of
37:35
everyone in the republican party
37:36
because they know that if they pull that
37:39
kind of nonsense
37:40
that they’re going to pay the price for
37:42
it and i think the warnings
37:44
that that word needs to be sent out to
37:46
people like
37:48
former vice president pence that his
37:50
behavior is unacceptable and he’s
37:51
finished politically
37:53
i think that same message needs to go
37:54
out to mike pompeo
37:56
both of whom who have aspirations to
37:58
become president in 2024
38:00
i think they need to know that their
38:01
political careers are toast and
38:05
same thing force for people like mitch
38:07
mcconnell the senate
38:08
uh majority stills uh leader in the
38:11
senate
38:12
uh no i guess they made a deal so i
38:14
guess he’s co-leader now but
38:16
uh whatever that is people like mitch
38:19
mcconnell need to receive that message
38:20
somehow too
38:21
i would love to see a challenge for him
38:23
now i don’t know when his
38:25
being in the senate his elections every
38:26
six years i’m not sure when
38:28
his comes up but getting challenged in
38:30
that way and taking those people
38:32
out politically just to be clear
38:34
politically i’m speaking
38:35
to take those people out uh will
38:37
absolutely
38:38
start to instill discipline so
38:40
republican party needs to understand
38:42
they have to fight for we the people
38:44
that are electing them
38:46
and putting them in there they’re not
38:47
there to go get rich on their own
38:49
doing behind the scenes business deals
38:51
with china anymore
38:53
and they need to to support us and work
38:56
for us
38:57
and fight for us or get out of the way
39:00
brad let’s go to our next guest carol
39:02
lieberman is internationally renowned
39:04
she’s called a terrorist therapist she’s
39:07
a board-certified beverly hills
39:08
psychiatrist three-time
39:10
emmy-honored television personality
39:12
radio talk show host and best-selling
39:14
author and professional speaker
39:16
carol welcome to the program
39:21
now brad johnson and i were talking
39:23
about the
39:24
the impact and brad of course has
39:26
extensive experience in eastern europe
39:28
during the the soviet days the impact of
39:30
being called a domestic terrorist
39:32
simply for disagreeing with the left
39:36
as someone with with medical training in
39:38
this area
39:40
is this a precise strategy you see
39:42
coming out of the left
39:43
and if so what type of response should
39:45
those of us who disagree with the left
39:48
actually take
39:51
yes this is uh it’s like
39:55
fell down the rabbit hole in alice in
39:57
wonderland
39:59
um you know ever since january 5th
40:02
people
40:02
on the left who were waiting in the
40:04
wings
40:06
have taken have jumped on what happened
40:09
on january 6th
40:11
as a way to throw everything
40:14
but the kitchen sink and the kitchen
40:17
sink
40:18
ask people who don’t agree with the left
40:20
agenda
40:21
you know of course it wasn’t president
40:23
trump who incited the riot uh i watched
40:25
the whole thing the whole day
40:27
and he did never said to be violent he
40:29
never said to steal things or
40:31
or destroy property or any other kind he
40:34
simply said to march over peacefully
40:37
to the um capital to show people that
40:40
they were there
40:40
and they were waiting to see what was
40:43
going to happen whether they were going
40:44
to investigate the election
40:45
or not which of course was such a
40:47
tragedy that they didn’t
40:49
but in any case um you know
40:52
i do a podcast called uh the terrorist
40:56
therapist show
40:57
i’m originally from new york city and
40:59
when 9 11 happened
41:00
even though i was already living in
41:02
california my heart is in new york
41:04
and i decided to devote a portion of my
41:08
work
41:08
to helping people cope with the memories
41:11
of 9 11 which is still affecting us
41:13
today
41:14
and the ongoing threat of terrorism
41:18
from around the world and so i just
41:21
my my latest uh podcast was about
41:24
um biden uh ignoring
41:27
radical islamist terrorists and paying
41:30
attention to or trying to get rid of
41:33
what he calls as domestic terrorists the
41:35
people who
41:36
uh stormed the capital so this is
41:39
i mean first of all we are in very great
41:42
danger i know
41:43
people are not thinking about radical
41:45
islamist terrorism
41:46
because we’re thinking about coronavirus
41:48
and the elections and politics and all
41:50
of that so we’ve
41:51
kind of gotten distracted but um
41:54
terrorism is growing you know radical
41:57
islamist terrorism is growing
41:59
isis just perpetrated attacks in iraq
42:02
and al-qaeda um has
42:06
joined their new home is now in iran
42:10
so iran the biggest world sponsor of
42:13
terrorism and
42:14
agenda al-qaeda you know the sponsors of
42:17
9 11
42:18
have joined forces and to focus on
42:21
so-called domestic terrorists who you
42:24
know the
42:24
the destination of which is anyone who
42:27
doesn’t agree
42:28
with biden obama and the leftist agenda
42:31
it’s terrible and dangerous putting our
42:33
country in grave danger
42:36
brad during the obama administration
42:39
there was a bizarre
42:40
and still yet as yet unexplained tilt
42:43
towards iran by that former
42:45
administration
42:47
do you see that continuing or beginning
42:50
again
42:50
under the biden administration despite
42:53
all the evidence that
42:54
iran is indeed the world’s top great
42:56
sponsor of terror
42:58
and despite the fact that iran is moving
42:59
rapidly ahead with its nuclear and
43:01
missile programs
43:03
yeah i think almost no question i mean
43:05
uh president biden has already said that
43:07
he’s going to go back into the
43:09
iranian nuclear deal which basically
43:11
gives them license to
43:12
go forward you know it limits it makes
43:15
some limits but those
43:16
those limits get are reduced over a
43:18
10-year period
43:20
to finally down to zero which by
43:22
implication means if
43:23
your restrictions against creating
43:25
nuclear weapons goes to zero then you
43:27
create nuclear weapons
43:28
and they’ve always said that they’re
43:30
going to get them and use them that’s
43:32
like so dangerous i mean radical weird
43:35
death cult sort of people that they are
43:38
they don’t lie that much and so
43:40
they’re they’re saying we’re going to
43:41
get these and we’re going to use them
43:42
and we’re going to use them on israel
43:43
we’re going to use them against you and
43:45
i you know i think we should be taking
43:47
that at their word and view that
43:49
as a very serious threat and do not and
43:51
there are a lot of
43:53
behind the scenes a lot of connections
43:55
and things going on between
43:56
terrorists and terrorism groups and
43:59
other
44:00
countries as well for example uh now
44:02
it’s
44:03
it’s not so talked about but taliban in
44:05
afghanistan
44:06
is now resurging and one of the things
44:09
we saw is that they just arrested
44:11
10 chinese intelligence officers because
44:14
they caught them working with taliban
44:17
now the year there’s some real danger
44:20
there with the wherewithal and
44:21
training and equipment and money that a
44:24
country like china could throw into the
44:26
fray
44:26
to make taliban a world actor again like
44:29
they were before
44:30
involved when on a much larger stage so
44:33
this danger is getting much worse and
44:34
we’ve certainly seen
44:36
a very soft position out of the biden
44:38
administration on china
44:39
there’s a lot of implications there that
44:41
there’s money making schemes going on
44:43
but
44:43
certainly at least a very friendly
44:45
relationship in a bad way
44:47
and uh certainly they’re re uh uh
44:50
uh inventing if you will this friendly
44:52
relationship with iran allowing them to
44:54
go ahead
44:55
and their theory was and what they
44:57
stated during the obama days was that
44:58
they wanted to show
45:00
that they were not enemies of of this of
45:03
the radical islamic regimes like in iran
45:05
and hope thereby that they would then
45:08
reduce their targeting of the united
45:10
states that’s the theory
45:11
which i have to say is is mightily
45:13
moronic
45:14
and was just an utter incomplete failure
45:17
and when we sort of took our foot off
45:19
the throttle of
45:20
if you will of reducing the terrorist
45:22
threat
45:23
reached out the olive branch of
45:25
friendship to them what they did was
45:27
was bite that hand and so they redouble
45:29
their efforts and
45:30
it’s out of that that that many of the
45:33
of isis was created
45:34
and so we’ve we’ve seen a real
45:36
resurgence and that’s i think we’re on
45:38
that trend once again
45:39
the world once again is getting more
45:41
dangerous not less dangerous
45:43
dr lieberman in your professional
45:45
opinion are we in a situation where
45:47
perhaps the truth
45:48
is too terrible to contemplate and
45:50
people are avoiding it
45:52
when we talk about for example what iran
45:54
is doing and yet the biden
45:56
administration is talking about
45:57
going back into that ridiculous iran
46:00
nuclear deal
46:01
when we talk about the reality that
46:04
china is an aggressive power with its
46:06
eyes hungrily
46:08
focused on the united states are these
46:10
just issues that are too terrible
46:12
for the average voter to contemplate
46:16
well you know first of all
46:19
when coronavirus came
46:23
a lot of people in a lot of countries
46:26
sort of woke up to the fact that maybe
46:28
china
46:29
isn’t our bff you know i mean there
46:32
really hasn’t been
46:34
that much publicly in any case talked
46:37
about
46:37
uh in regards to how china has the aim
46:42
to take over or you know um
46:45
take over or or certainly get more out
46:47
of the united states
46:49
um and and when the the so-called china
46:52
virus came around
46:53
uh and we realized about how they didn’t
46:55
tell us and so on so much secrecy
46:58
um then people actually did start to
47:00
perk up their ears and say
47:02
what could china not really be our
47:04
friend
47:05
um so yeah i think that you know
47:08
politics and countries and all these
47:10
issues
47:11
are are very complicated and i think
47:14
especially you know
47:15
since the covered king people have less
47:19
patience to delve into subjects on a
47:22
deeper level
47:23
you know i mean uh sound bites were
47:25
always bad
47:26
and never really covered the news 100 or
47:29
well enough for everybody to understand
47:30
all the details
47:32
but now it’s like we don’t have the
47:33
patience for it we don’t have the
47:35
patience to read
47:37
long articles that you know give all the
47:39
details
47:40
and so i think i think yes i think that
47:43
a lot of americans shut down
47:45
and you know another thing a lot of
47:47
things just kind of happen without
47:49
without explaining context without the
47:52
news media explaining context like for
47:53
example just
47:54
just this week just um yesterday
47:58
actually
47:59
um there was an article about how
48:02
um biden you call youtube probably know
48:06
all about this
48:07
how bad uh appointed um
48:11
bitcar an anti-israel activist and a
48:14
palestinian american
48:15
to a senior intelligence role and
48:18
there’s a picture um
48:20
of obama with uh
48:23
guitar and his wife and daughter and
48:25
they’re all you know very friendly
48:27
everybody’s smiling and all that
48:28
i mean this is um you know these like
48:32
so this kind of a news story it’s hard
48:34
for people to sort of
48:36
wrap their head around um well what does
48:38
this
48:39
actually mean or just how bad is he and
48:41
you know if you go into the details of
48:43
the story
48:43
i mean he has years and years of um
48:46
anti-israel activism and all kinds of
48:49
things that he’s done
48:51
and now you know thanks to obama really
48:53
because uh
48:54
biden is just obama’s puppet now you
48:57
know we’re seeing these things come true
48:59
and yes
48:59
the iran deal was crazy and horrible to
49:02
begin with we should have never entered
49:04
into it
49:05
and you can’t enter into a deal with the
49:07
countries
49:08
who are flying to you and at the same
49:10
time however
49:11
saying um yes to america and death to
49:14
israel and they lie on one hand
49:16
in terms of what they’re going to really
49:17
do as far as cutting down their
49:20
nuclear weapons proliferation and yet
49:23
they’re also saying that’s to america
49:27
you know the reality of it is we now
49:30
have a president
49:32
whose family became enriched by dealing
49:34
with communist china
49:36
and yet if you say that you are sure to
49:39
be censored that comment is sure to be
49:40
taken off of youtube or any place else
49:42
that you want to put it
49:44
brad psychological warfare has always
49:48
been a component of the conflict between
49:49
the east and the west
49:51
are we kind of seeing that now with the
49:53
press playing the role of the censor
49:55
because the reality of it is we are
49:58
going soft on a country like iran
50:00
that as carol dr lieberman said chants
50:03
death to america
50:05
we are dealing with china which clearly
50:08
wants us
50:08
out of the way so they could do whatever
50:10
they want
50:12
and yet there doesn’t seem to be much
50:13
popular discussion about that
50:16
indeed if you scour most of the major
50:20
news sources
50:21
you really aren’t going to find much
50:23
about what china is doing in terms of an
50:25
aggressive manner
50:27
or the fact that perhaps our
50:29
intelligence community
50:31
doesn’t seem to be as reliable as it
50:32
once was that people like john
50:34
brennan have had a major impact on our
50:37
intelligence john brennan of course
50:39
who famously voted for a communist
50:42
yes i i a couple of things on that first
50:46
uh
50:46
china’s stance and their perspective uh
50:49
we’re certainly enemy number one from
50:51
the perspective of china
50:53
and china make no mistake china’s at war
50:56
with us
50:56
and they’ve been on a war footing with
50:58
us for a very long time
50:59
and they’re fighting that war in every
51:02
way they can
51:03
with the single exception of you know
51:05
they haven’t opened up
51:06
the kinetic energy box they’re not
51:08
shooting at us
51:09
we’re not exchanging fire of weapons but
51:13
that aside they’re they’re using every
51:16
weapon
51:17
at their disposal to attack us and
51:20
trying to create alternate uh economic
51:23
uh methods to do international banking
51:26
for example
51:27
something that most people don’t realize
51:30
that’s what bitcoin is
51:31
and where who is the largest single
51:33
producer of bitcoin in the world
51:35
china and that’s something that doesn’t
51:38
get talked about here very often they
51:40
take advantage of our
51:42
system in the united states to fund a
51:44
lot of their efforts
51:45
and for example they have cameras on
51:48
every street corner in little tiny
51:49
villages all over the country of china
51:51
and they assign scores to those people
51:54
on based on their behavior loyalty
51:56
towards the party
51:57
and if they get low scores they their
51:59
action is taken against them
52:01
if they get high scores their
52:03
complimented well the way that
52:04
that that has been funded was on the
52:06
stock market and they’re not required
52:09
to do the disclosures that a u.s company
52:11
has done
52:12
to show how these things are going to be
52:15
used and that
52:16
today we see the same thing taking place
52:19
on twitter
52:20
we any of us myself included in both of
52:23
you if you’re on twitter
52:24
now have twitter scores and you’re rated
52:27
based on the things you say
52:28
and if you get a low enough score
52:31
meaning you don’t agree with the powers
52:32
that be
52:34
there’s a warning label put on your
52:36
twitter account saying this person you
52:38
know you need to be cautious interacting
52:40
with them
52:40
so we see these same tactics being
52:43
carried forward and used against us
52:45
and if if if allowed i would ask a good
52:47
question of the doctor at this point
52:49
because uh dr lieberman that we see
52:52
uh these sorts of tactics being used to
52:55
suppress
52:56
any type of thought or disagreement and
52:59
uh just the the president
53:01
who released a bunch of documents now
53:03
the bind administration is
53:05
re-categorizing
53:06
uh classifications of documents to try
53:08
and hide all of those things
53:10
and to preclude uh freedom of
53:12
information act
53:13
being used foia being used against the
53:16
new administration of biden to stop all
53:18
of these things from
53:19
being leaked or discovered and all that
53:22
so we see a
53:23
a suppression across the board by media
53:25
and social media against
53:27
any other voice and there’s a lot of
53:30
of of frustrations starting to
53:34
uh you know really be felt by a large
53:36
number of people
53:37
and i worry is that going to drive
53:39
people to acts of
53:41
violence because they’ve become so
53:43
frustrated there’s no other outlet
53:45
nobody’s speaking for it
53:46
for us will it turn to violence is that
53:48
becoming a serious threat
53:52
yes i think i think it
53:55
has begun and it will continue um
53:58
because people don’t know what else to
54:01
do
54:02
um you know we’ve you know during clover
54:06
we talk about
54:07
how america is turning into 1984
54:10
and and in fact uh you know with math
54:13
the idea that
54:14
this was symbolically a way to shut us
54:16
up
54:17
and now this we see this continuing in
54:20
terms of
54:20
social media um in fact
54:24
twitter and twitter keeps getting worse
54:26
as far as you know
54:27
their censorship they’re now doing
54:29
something called bird watching
54:31
have you heard about that they have a
54:33
new bird watch feature
54:36
you know it doesn’t have anything to do
54:37
with goggles
54:39
and uh going to a park it’s a way
54:42
to it’s asking for volunteers
54:46
to go through tweets and to pick out
54:49
ones that might have so-called
54:50
misleading
54:51
information and then the their comments
54:55
are for now supposed to go on a separate
54:58
page
54:59
and um so the ideas so that then
55:02
people will ultimately be able to look
55:04
at that and sort of compare
55:07
how what the person posted compared to
55:09
the bird watchers what they
55:11
so you know it’s so 1984 i mean we’re
55:14
really beyond 1984 but it’s like
55:16
the it’s incorporating the idea of
55:18
everybody spying on each other
55:21
and reporting each other to big brother
55:26
we’re coming up against a hard break dr
55:28
lieberman thank you so much where can
55:30
our
55:30
watchers and listeners follow you
55:35
well for the time being i have a twitter
55:37
account
55:40
it’s at dr carol md which is
55:44
at d-r-c-a-r-o-l-e
55:49
and brad johnson you’re an americans for
55:51
intelligence reform what’s the website
55:52
there
55:54
the website is uh intelreform.org and
55:57
that’s probably the one safe place to go
55:59
look i’m on
56:00
all social media under americans for
56:01
intelligence reform but the one that i
56:03
know will be there tomorrow is that
56:04
website
56:06
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56:07
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56:10
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56:13
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