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as American troops prepare to withdraw
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as American troops prepare to withdraw
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as American troops prepare to withdraw
from Syria turkey is threatening to send
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from Syria turkey is threatening to send
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from Syria turkey is threatening to send
its forces into Kurdish held positions
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its forces into Kurdish held positions
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its forces into Kurdish held positions
one America’s Jack mazovick sat down
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one America’s Jack mazovick sat down
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one America’s Jack mazovick sat down
with former CIA officer Brad Johnson to
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with former CIA officer Brad Johnson to
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with former CIA officer Brad Johnson to
discuss we’re happy to welcome back to
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discuss we’re happy to welcome back to
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discuss we’re happy to welcome back to
one American news Brad Johnson former
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one American news Brad Johnson former
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one American news Brad Johnson former
CIA officer and president of the
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CIA officer and president of the
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CIA officer and president of the
Americans for intelligence reform thank
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Americans for intelligence reform thank
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Americans for intelligence reform thank
you so much for being along with us
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you so much for being along with us
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you so much for being along with us
again today thank you great to be with
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again today thank you great to be with
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again today thank you great to be with
you again so we’re talking now about the
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you again so we’re talking now about the
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you again so we’re talking now about the
u.s. potentially withdrawing troops from
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u.s. potentially withdrawing troops from
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u.s. potentially withdrawing troops from
Syria and what the response is going to
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Syria and what the response is going to
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Syria and what the response is going to
be not only for the Kurds in the north
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be not only for the Kurds in the north
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be not only for the Kurds in the north
but also our ally so to speak in Turkey
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but also our ally so to speak in Turkey
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but also our ally so to speak in Turkey
with air21 they’re our NATO member ally
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with air21 they’re our NATO member ally
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with air21 they’re our NATO member ally
and his potential look at the Kurds what
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and his potential look at the Kurds what
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and his potential look at the Kurds what
are you hearing on the ground Brad well
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are you hearing on the ground Brad well
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are you hearing on the ground Brad well
this is this is this is getting
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this is this is this is getting
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this is this is this is getting
interesting now publicly this really
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interesting now publicly this really
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interesting now publicly this really
came to the forefront following the 14
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came to the forefront following the 14
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came to the forefront following the 14
December conversation that President
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December conversation that President
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December conversation that President
Trump had with President Erdogan of
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Trump had with President Erdogan of
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Trump had with President Erdogan of
Turkey and out of that they agreed that
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Turkey and out of that they agreed that
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Turkey and out of that they agreed that
what the United States was going to do
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what the United States was going to do
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what the United States was going to do
is pull out and then subsequent to that
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is pull out and then subsequent to that
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is pull out and then subsequent to that
you had a president Trump’s announcement
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you had a president Trump’s announcement
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you had a president Trump’s announcement
that we were going to pull out of Syria
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that we were going to pull out of Syria
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that we were going to pull out of Syria
Aragon has said publicly a number of
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Aragon has said publicly a number of
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Aragon has said publicly a number of
times that his understanding of that
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times that his understanding of that
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times that his understanding of that
conversation was that the United States
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conversation was that the United States
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conversation was that the United States
leaves it gathers back all of the
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leaves it gathers back all of the
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leaves it gathers back all of the
weapons that were issued to the Kurds
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weapons that were issued to the Kurds
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weapons that were issued to the Kurds
turns over the bases brakes contact with
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turns over the bases brakes contact with
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turns over the bases brakes contact with
some of those Kurdish groups and leaves
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some of those Kurdish groups and leaves
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some of those Kurdish groups and leaves
and then the Turks will then move in and
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and then the Turks will then move in and
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and then the Turks will then move in and
eradicate terrorism they also include
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eradicate terrorism they also include
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eradicate terrorism they also include
the Kurdish groups under the definition
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the Kurdish groups under the definition
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the Kurdish groups under the definition
of terrorists and very adamantly so
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of terrorists and very adamantly so
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of terrorists and very adamantly so
that’s kind of where we find ourselves
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that’s kind of where we find ourselves
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that’s kind of where we find ourselves
today now a couple of very very
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today now a couple of very very
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today now a couple of very very
interesting developments one the Kurds
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interesting developments one the Kurds
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interesting developments one the Kurds
see the writing on the wall they
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see the writing on the wall they
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see the writing on the wall they
understand that if it’s confrontation
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understand that if it’s confrontation
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understand that if it’s confrontation
with the Turks that it’s a fight to the
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with the Turks that it’s a fight to the
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with the Turks that it’s a fight to the
death and that’s that now the Turks have
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death and that’s that now the Turks have
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death and that’s that now the Turks have
denied this in pross but I just I find
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denied this in pross but I just I find
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denied this in pross but I just I find
that to be deeply unrealistic so the
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that to be deeply unrealistic so the
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that to be deeply unrealistic so the
Kurds what they’ve started to do is pull
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Kurds what they’ve started to do is pull
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Kurds what they’ve started to do is pull
back from some of these areas going to
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back from some of these areas going to
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back from some of these areas going to
more defensible areas with since they
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more defensible areas with since they
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more defensible areas with since they
won’t have the full US backing there and
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won’t have the full US backing there and
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won’t have the full US backing there and
air support and what they’ve done is
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air support and what they’ve done is
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air support and what they’ve done is
invited the Syrian government troops in
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invited the Syrian government troops in
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invited the Syrian government troops in
other words Assad’s troops with Iranian
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other words Assad’s troops with Iranian
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other words Assad’s troops with Iranian
and Russian backing to backfill behind
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and Russian backing to backfill behind
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and Russian backing to backfill behind
them as they pull back which is
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them as they pull back which is
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them as they pull back which is
extraordinarily interesting and
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extraordinarily interesting and
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extraordinarily interesting and
something that would not have occurred
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something that would not have occurred
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something that would not have occurred
otherwise and so what they’re trying to
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otherwise and so what they’re trying to
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otherwise and so what they’re trying to
do is create a buffer between them
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do is create a buffer between them
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do is create a buffer between them
selves and the Turkish army because now
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selves and the Turkish army because now
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selves and the Turkish army because now
if that if the Turkish army is trying to
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if that if the Turkish army is trying to
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if that if the Turkish army is trying to
come in to the Kurdish areas now you and
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come in to the Kurdish areas now you and
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come in to the Kurdish areas now you and
Syrian forces that’s Regular Army forces
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Syrian forces that’s Regular Army forces
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Syrian forces that’s Regular Army forces
that’s correct now you’ve got a state on
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that’s correct now you’ve got a state on
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that’s correct now you’ve got a state on
state potential conflict you’re making
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state potential conflict you’re making
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state potential conflict you’re making
it an actual conflict between the two
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it an actual conflict between the two
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it an actual conflict between the two
neighbors yes which could spill over
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neighbors yes which could spill over
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neighbors yes which could spill over
into the international community and
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into the international community and
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into the international community and
everything else Aragon is being very
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everything else Aragon is being very
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everything else Aragon is being very
adamant about this and he’s saying
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adamant about this and he’s saying
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adamant about this and he’s saying
things that are you know definitely
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things that are you know definitely
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things that are you know definitely
rattling the swords talking about going
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rattling the swords talking about going
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rattling the swords talking about going
in without any prior notice or going
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in without any prior notice or going
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in without any prior notice or going
into these areas that have been
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into these areas that have been
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into these areas that have been
previously controlled by the Kurds and
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previously controlled by the Kurds and
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previously controlled by the Kurds and
the Americans without any previous
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the Americans without any previous
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the Americans without any previous
notice or warning to anyone and making
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notice or warning to anyone and making
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notice or warning to anyone and making
comments of that nature what other
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comments of that nature what other
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comments of that nature what other
options are there does the president
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options are there does the president
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options are there does the president
have at his disposal to sort of make
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have at his disposal to sort of make
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have at his disposal to sort of make
sure that Turkey follows on suit and
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sure that Turkey follows on suit and
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sure that Turkey follows on suit and
doesn’t go into the Kurdish areas and a
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doesn’t go into the Kurdish areas and a
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doesn’t go into the Kurdish areas and a
sort of a team player in all of this the
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sort of a team player in all of this the
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sort of a team player in all of this the
turkish position has long been basically
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turkish position has long been basically
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turkish position has long been basically
that we need them and they don’t
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that we need them and they don’t
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that we need them and they don’t
particularly need us so they’ve always
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particularly need us so they’ve always
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particularly need us so they’ve always
had the position that they hold the
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had the position that they hold the
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had the position that they hold the
cards and there’s very little that the
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cards and there’s very little that the
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cards and there’s very little that the
United States and the rest of the West
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United States and the rest of the West
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United States and the rest of the West
can do the Kurds are a major central
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can do the Kurds are a major central
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can do the Kurds are a major central
issue to the Turks and it would be very
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issue to the Turks and it would be very
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issue to the Turks and it would be very
easy to start negotiate the negotiations
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easy to start negotiate the negotiations
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easy to start negotiate the negotiations
off by saying if you know if you’re not
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off by saying if you know if you’re not
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off by saying if you know if you’re not
a good partner an ally there’s others in
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a good partner an ally there’s others in
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a good partner an ally there’s others in
the area that would be and certainly the
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the area that would be and certainly the
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the area that would be and certainly the
Kurds would be now that would be very
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Kurds would be now that would be very
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Kurds would be now that would be very
inflammatory to the Turks but it would
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inflammatory to the Turks but it would
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inflammatory to the Turks but it would
be a negotiating point that the United
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be a negotiating point that the United
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be a negotiating point that the United
States could throw out in any time and
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States could throw out in any time and
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States could throw out in any time and
just say well perhaps we need to start
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just say well perhaps we need to start
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just say well perhaps we need to start
visiting the idea of an independent
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visiting the idea of an independent
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visiting the idea of an independent
Kurdistan and the courts of course have
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Kurdistan and the courts of course have
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Kurdistan and the courts of course have
long wanted that and pushed for it so it
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long wanted that and pushed for it so it
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long wanted that and pushed for it so it
would be something where you certainly
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would be something where you certainly
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would be something where you certainly
have a receptive audience of the Kurds
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have a receptive audience of the Kurds
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have a receptive audience of the Kurds
who have proved themselves to be a very
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who have proved themselves to be a very
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who have proved themselves to be a very
loyal ally very helpful and very willing
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loyal ally very helpful and very willing
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loyal ally very helpful and very willing
to work with the United States it would
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to work with the United States it would
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to work with the United States it would
seem that there’s also a number of
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seem that there’s also a number of
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seem that there’s also a number of
economic options available possible
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economic options available possible
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economic options available possible
making sure obviously they’re still
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making sure obviously they’re still
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making sure obviously they’re still
going to be a US military presence in
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going to be a US military presence in
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going to be a US military presence in
the region not only with our Air Force
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the region not only with our Air Force
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the region not only with our Air Force
assets that we have inside Turkey but
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assets that we have inside Turkey but
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assets that we have inside Turkey but
also with the sixth fleet right there in
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also with the sixth fleet right there in
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also with the sixth fleet right there in
the Mediterranean so I think that when a
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the Mediterranean so I think that when a
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the Mediterranean so I think that when a
lot of people hear this idea that ground
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lot of people hear this idea that ground
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lot of people hear this idea that ground
troops are going to be pulling out they
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troops are going to be pulling out they
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troops are going to be pulling out they
think the u.s. is completely abandoning
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think the u.s. is completely abandoning
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think the u.s. is completely abandoning
the entire region yes that’s a very good
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the entire region yes that’s a very good
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the entire region yes that’s a very good
point and we’re not there’s still
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point and we’re not there’s still
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point and we’re not there’s still
definitely a military-to-military very
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definitely a military-to-military very
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definitely a military-to-military very
robust relationship between the US
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robust relationship between the US
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robust relationship between the US
military and the
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military and the
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military and the
Turkish military and that again exists
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Turkish military and that again exists
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Turkish military and that again exists
at all levels and as part of that
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at all levels and as part of that
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at all levels and as part of that
overall communication that takes place
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overall communication that takes place
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overall communication that takes place
in the Turkish military is extremely
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in the Turkish military is extremely
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in the Turkish military is extremely
important within Turkish society more so
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important within Turkish society more so
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important within Turkish society more so
than in the United States they play a
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than in the United States they play a
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than in the United States they play a
much larger role than than then they
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much larger role than than then they
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much larger role than than then they
then the military does here in the
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then the military does here in the
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then the military does here in the
United States thanks so much again for
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United States thanks so much again for
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United States thanks so much again for
being office Brad all right thank you so
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being office Brad all right thank you so
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being office Brad all right thank you so
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