Americans for Intelligence Reform

Brad Johnson, President, and retired CIA Senior Officer and Chief of Staff. Insight into current events from an intelligence angle.

Interview on US pullout of Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeJktVlro5U

For the entire transcript of this interview, please continue reading.

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Brad Johnson it’s hitting headlines that

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Brad Johnson it’s hitting headlines that

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Brad Johnson it’s hitting headlines that
president front has decided to withdraw

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president front has decided to withdraw

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president front has decided to withdraw
all US military presence in the Syrian

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all US military presence in the Syrian

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all US military presence in the Syrian
theater of operations which i think is

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theater of operations which i think is

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theater of operations which i think is
probably coming as it was very abrupt

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probably coming as it was very abrupt

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probably coming as it was very abrupt
and coming as a shock to a lot of people

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and coming as a shock to a lot of people

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and coming as a shock to a lot of people
and a lot of people that call themselves

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and a lot of people that call themselves

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and a lot of people that call themselves
Republicans are very upset about it

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Republicans are very upset about it

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Republicans are very upset about it
but at the same time I think Trump’s

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but at the same time I think Trump’s

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but at the same time I think Trump’s
base a lot of whom voted for him because

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base a lot of whom voted for him because

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base a lot of whom voted for him because
of his libertarian stance on non foreign

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of his libertarian stance on non foreign

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of his libertarian stance on non foreign
adventures our praat are thrilled

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adventures our praat are thrilled

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adventures our praat are thrilled
what what’s actually going on here III

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what what’s actually going on here III

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what what’s actually going on here III
don’t think there’s anything

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don’t think there’s anything

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don’t think there’s anything
particularly tricky in this case Trump

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particularly tricky in this case Trump

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particularly tricky in this case Trump
has often talked about things like this

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has often talked about things like this

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has often talked about things like this
the internet you know International

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the internet you know International

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the internet you know International
Adventures as you say these these sort

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Adventures as you say these these sort

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Adventures as you say these these sort
of forays military for race I Trump does

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of forays military for race I Trump does

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of forays military for race I Trump does
not like them and he’s been very clear

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not like them and he’s been very clear

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not like them and he’s been very clear
on that from the very beginning he was

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on that from the very beginning he was

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on that from the very beginning he was
steadfastly against the second Iraq war

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steadfastly against the second Iraq war

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steadfastly against the second Iraq war
things like that he just doesn’t like

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things like that he just doesn’t like

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things like that he just doesn’t like
that sort of thing I I he’s very he’s

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that sort of thing I I he’s very he’s

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that sort of thing I I he’s very he’s
the type of person which you can

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the type of person which you can

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the type of person which you can
understand coming out of private

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understand coming out of private

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understand coming out of private
industry he’s very action related to

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industry he’s very action related to

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industry he’s very action related to
results-oriented so if he does something

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results-oriented so if he does something

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results-oriented so if he does something
there’s it’s for a specific goal and he

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there’s it’s for a specific goal and he

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there’s it’s for a specific goal and he
wants that goal to then come to pass

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wants that goal to then come to pass

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wants that goal to then come to pass
where this is very nebulous having sent

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where this is very nebulous having sent

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where this is very nebulous having sent
those the US troops in there and all of

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those the US troops in there and all of

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those the US troops in there and all of
that is much more nebulous and we were

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that is much more nebulous and we were

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that is much more nebulous and we were
supposed to go in and train me Syrian

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supposed to go in and train me Syrian

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supposed to go in and train me Syrian
troops they were gonna stand up against

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troops they were gonna stand up against

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troops they were gonna stand up against
you know terrorism and all this sort of

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you know terrorism and all this sort of

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you know terrorism and all this sort of
stuff and what did you know III don’t

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stuff and what did you know III don’t

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stuff and what did you know III don’t
think ultimately after putting millions

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think ultimately after putting millions

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think ultimately after putting millions
of dollars into it I think the last

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of dollars into it I think the last

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of dollars into it I think the last
report I saw they had maybe a platoon

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report I saw they had maybe a platoon

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report I saw they had maybe a platoon
trained or something you know a a

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trained or something you know a a

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trained or something you know a a
handful of guys that were actually

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handful of guys that were actually

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handful of guys that were actually
combat ready and ready to roll which is

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combat ready and ready to roll which is

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combat ready and ready to roll which is
just you know insignificant you’d have

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just you know insignificant you’d have

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just you know insignificant you’d have
to put together a couple thousand before

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to put together a couple thousand before

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to put together a couple thousand before
you even you know can get us the table

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you even you know can get us the table

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you even you know can get us the table
and then it was just never gonna happen

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and then it was just never gonna happen

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and then it was just never gonna happen
you and you have the actual regime and

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you and you have the actual regime and

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you and you have the actual regime and
power they’re you know not interested in

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power they’re you know not interested in

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power they’re you know not interested in
against you trying to destroy you’ve got

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against you trying to destroy you’ve got

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against you trying to destroy you’ve got
the Russians in there helping them and

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the Russians in there helping them and

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the Russians in there helping them and
so you just there was never a chance

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so you just there was never a chance

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so you just there was never a chance
this was going to take off so it didn’t

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this was going to take off so it didn’t

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this was going to take off so it didn’t
do some damage to Isis in the area they

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do some damage to Isis in the area they

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do some damage to Isis in the area they
they were a small part of helping to

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they were a small part of helping to

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they were a small part of helping to
wipe all of that out

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wipe all of that out

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wipe all of that out
certainly the Russian

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certainly the Russian

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certainly the Russian
and the Syrian government itself did

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and the Syrian government itself did

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and the Syrian government itself did
worse and similar activities and at the

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worse and similar activities and at the

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worse and similar activities and at the
same time of course they were trying to

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same time of course they were trying to

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same time of course they were trying to
make sure that these units that the US

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make sure that these units that the US

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make sure that these units that the US
was trying to stand up never came to

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was trying to stand up never came to

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was trying to stand up never came to
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pass

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pass
so you had a pretty much all the cards

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so you had a pretty much all the cards

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so you had a pretty much all the cards
stacked against you and very little

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stacked against you and very little

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stacked against you and very little
chance of becoming a you know a power

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chance of becoming a you know a power

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chance of becoming a you know a power
within that situation within that

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within that situation within that

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within that situation within that
scenario so I think Trump looked at it

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scenario so I think Trump looked at it

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scenario so I think Trump looked at it
and said okay you know this just isn’t

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and said okay you know this just isn’t

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and said okay you know this just isn’t
working you know let’s pull out I never

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working you know let’s pull out I never

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working you know let’s pull out I never
liked the fact that we were in there

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liked the fact that we were in there

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liked the fact that we were in there
doing this to begin with and you know

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doing this to begin with and you know

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doing this to begin with and you know
you show me the happy ending to the

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you show me the happy ending to the

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you show me the happy ending to the
story with having our people there where

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story with having our people there where

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story with having our people there where
where’s the happy ending and I don’t

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where’s the happy ending and I don’t

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where’s the happy ending and I don’t
think anybody could look at it and say

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think anybody could look at it and say

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think anybody could look at it and say
yeah all we have to do is this you know

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yeah all we have to do is this you know

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yeah all we have to do is this you know
then we’re all winners so I think Trump

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then we’re all winners so I think Trump

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then we’re all winners so I think Trump
looked at it and just said oh yeah this

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looked at it and just said oh yeah this

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looked at it and just said oh yeah this
is just diminishing returns let’s let’s

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is just diminishing returns let’s let’s

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is just diminishing returns let’s let’s
cut our losses pull out now there are

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cut our losses pull out now there are

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cut our losses pull out now there are
negative results out of this probably

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negative results out of this probably

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negative results out of this probably
when when we pull out you know you’re

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when when we pull out you know you’re

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when when we pull out you know you’re
going to have any vacuum left behind

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going to have any vacuum left behind

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going to have any vacuum left behind
which I don’t think it’s going to be all

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which I don’t think it’s going to be all

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which I don’t think it’s going to be all
that large but any vacuum left behind is

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that large but any vacuum left behind is

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that large but any vacuum left behind is
going to be filled and and who’s there

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going to be filled and and who’s there

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going to be filled and and who’s there
to fill it well certainly the Syrian

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to fill it well certainly the Syrian

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to fill it well certainly the Syrian
regime and the Russians so in some ways

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regime and the Russians so in some ways

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regime and the Russians so in some ways
we’re already admitting what’s the fact

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we’re already admitting what’s the fact

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we’re already admitting what’s the fact
of the case and that’s all but you know

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of the case and that’s all but you know

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of the case and that’s all but you know
it is a negative I understand the

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it is a negative I understand the

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it is a negative I understand the
criticism of that and certainly I want

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criticism of that and certainly I want

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criticism of that and certainly I want
the United States to be strong and not

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the United States to be strong and not

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the United States to be strong and not
walk away from things you don’t have to

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walk away from things you don’t have to

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walk away from things you don’t have to
on some of the you know collateral

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on some of the you know collateral

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on some of the you know collateral
damage if you will that really bothers

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damage if you will that really bothers

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damage if you will that really bothers
me is this this abandons some Kurdish

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me is this this abandons some Kurdish

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me is this this abandons some Kurdish
units that have been a very helpful in

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units that have been a very helpful in

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units that have been a very helpful in
world to the United States and I would

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world to the United States and I would

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world to the United States and I would
say that that whole situation in general

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say that that whole situation in general

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say that that whole situation in general
what’s been done to the Kurds is really

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what’s been done to the Kurds is really

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what’s been done to the Kurds is really
kind of a travesty they’ve been kind of

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kind of a travesty they’ve been kind of

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kind of a travesty they’ve been kind of
screwed over again and again by the u.s.

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screwed over again and again by the u.s.

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screwed over again and again by the u.s.
after they were very strong valuable

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after they were very strong valuable

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after they were very strong valuable
allies to us so one thing I would love

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allies to us so one thing I would love

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allies to us so one thing I would love
to see is if there was a way for us to

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to see is if there was a way for us to

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to see is if there was a way for us to
work out something where we were able to

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work out something where we were able to

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work out something where we were able to
provide more consistent support to the

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provide more consistent support to the

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provide more consistent support to the
Kurds who like I said have been very

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Kurds who like I said have been very

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Kurds who like I said have been very
very well asked assets or allies rather

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very well asked assets or allies rather

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very well asked assets or allies rather
to us in the region and I just don’t

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to us in the region and I just don’t

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to us in the region and I just don’t
think they’ve been treated fairly in the

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think they’ve been treated fairly in the

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think they’ve been treated fairly in the
scheme of things plus the curves so

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scheme of things plus the curves so

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scheme of things plus the curves so
there are really one of the very few

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there are really one of the very few

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there are really one of the very few
they’re kind of doing it they’re

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they’re kind of doing it they’re

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they’re kind of doing it they’re
supposed to do and you know they

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supposed to do and you know they

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supposed to do and you know they
protected a lot of the Christians and

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protected a lot of the Christians and

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protected a lot of the Christians and
you know Hezekiah’s and other people

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you know Hezekiah’s and other people

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you know Hezekiah’s and other people
that have just been

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that have just been

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that have just been
wiped out you know just murdered down to

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wiped out you know just murdered down to

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wiped out you know just murdered down to
the last man woman and child and in some

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the last man woman and child and in some

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the last man woman and child and in some
of these Christian villages especially

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of these Christian villages especially

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of these Christian villages especially
and they’ve been the ones that are

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and they’ve been the ones that are

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and they’ve been the ones that are
fighting to try and help these people

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fighting to try and help these people

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fighting to try and help these people
and help protect them and then now

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and help protect them and then now

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and help protect them and then now
they’re being sort of abandoned where

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they’re being sort of abandoned where

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they’re being sort of abandoned where
they have to defend themselves against

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they have to defend themselves against

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they have to defend themselves against
mainly the Turks who have clearly

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mainly the Turks who have clearly

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mainly the Turks who have clearly
targeted them and and and believe them

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targeted them and and and believe them

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targeted them and and and believe them
to be terrorists and all of them and so

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to be terrorists and all of them and so

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to be terrorists and all of them and so
on a lie would be very happy to wipe out

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on a lie would be very happy to wipe out

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on a lie would be very happy to wipe out
the Kurds so they didn’t have to pull

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the Kurds so they didn’t have to pull

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the Kurds so they didn’t have to pull
back in a bit and get within defensive

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back in a bit and get within defensive

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back in a bit and get within defensive
lines against this type of onslaught

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lines against this type of onslaught

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lines against this type of onslaught
that’s one of the collateral issues out

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that’s one of the collateral issues out

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that’s one of the collateral issues out
of that now there’s no discussion so I

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of that now there’s no discussion so I

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of that now there’s no discussion so I
don’t know if there’s any plans by the

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don’t know if there’s any plans by the

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don’t know if there’s any plans by the
White House or the administration in any

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White House or the administration in any

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White House or the administration in any
fashion to try and do something to kind

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fashion to try and do something to kind

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fashion to try and do something to kind
of bring back support and just the way

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of bring back support and just the way

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of bring back support and just the way
some of it’s handled because of the you

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some of it’s handled because of the you

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some of it’s handled because of the you
know the way the United States tries to

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know the way the United States tries to

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know the way the United States tries to
respect other countries laws one of the

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respect other countries laws one of the

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respect other countries laws one of the
problems in that area too is that what

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problems in that area too is that what

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problems in that area too is that what
all the support goes to them has to go

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all the support goes to them has to go

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all the support goes to them has to go
through the government of Iraq so

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through the government of Iraq so

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through the government of Iraq so
equipment you know we put a tag on it

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equipment you know we put a tag on it

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equipment you know we put a tag on it
says you know please provided the Kurds

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says you know please provided the Kurds

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says you know please provided the Kurds
we give it to the government in Iraq and

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we give it to the government in Iraq and

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we give it to the government in Iraq and
they don’t pass it to the Kurds so they

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they don’t pass it to the Kurds so they

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they don’t pass it to the Kurds so they
just don’t get a lot of equipment that’s

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just don’t get a lot of equipment that’s

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just don’t get a lot of equipment that’s
earmarked for them but you know I it’s

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earmarked for them but you know I it’s

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earmarked for them but you know I it’s
one of the things I dislike greatly

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one of the things I dislike greatly

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one of the things I dislike greatly
about how I would I would put much of

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about how I would I would put much of

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about how I would I would put much of
the blame on State Department in this

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the blame on State Department in this

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the blame on State Department in this
one because they’re the ones that sort

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one because they’re the ones that sort

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one because they’re the ones that sort
of honcho international aid i but also

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of honcho international aid i but also

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of honcho international aid i but also
it’s not being fought by anybody so

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it’s not being fought by anybody so

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it’s not being fought by anybody so
biting you sort of just de facto that’s

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biting you sort of just de facto that’s

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biting you sort of just de facto that’s
what we’ve always done before that’s

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what we’ve always done before that’s

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what we’ve always done before that’s
what they’re doing here and what it

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what they’re doing here and what it

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what they’re doing here and what it
means like I said is the Kurds once

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means like I said is the Kurds once

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means like I said is the Kurds once
again get screwed so I wish there was

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again get screwed so I wish there was

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again get screwed so I wish there was
something that we could do about that

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something that we could do about that

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something that we could do about that
that for me is what gives me the most

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that for me is what gives me the most

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that for me is what gives me the most
amount of heartburn about this at least

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amount of heartburn about this at least

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amount of heartburn about this at least
that that’s come to the forefront so far

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that that’s come to the forefront so far

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that that’s come to the forefront so far
the rest of it pulling out of Syria just

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the rest of it pulling out of Syria just

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the rest of it pulling out of Syria just
in general terms I think it’s fine I

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in general terms I think it’s fine I

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in general terms I think it’s fine I
don’t think there’s anything tricky

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don’t think there’s anything tricky

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don’t think there’s anything tricky
there I think Trump just looked at it

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there I think Trump just looked at it

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there I think Trump just looked at it
and said you know enough is enough we’re

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and said you know enough is enough we’re

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and said you know enough is enough we’re
not getting anywhere here anyway so what

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not getting anywhere here anyway so what

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not getting anywhere here anyway so what
little good we’re doing just isn’t worth

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little good we’re doing just isn’t worth

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little good we’re doing just isn’t worth
the cost

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the cost

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the cost
so that should really delight a lot of

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so that should really delight a lot of

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so that should really delight a lot of
this libertarian base I think I agree

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this libertarian base I think I agree

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this libertarian base I think I agree
yeah I agree

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yeah I agree

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yeah I agree
and there are like I said there are some

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and there are like I said there are some

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and there are like I said there are some
military critics nah I don’t disagree

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military critics nah I don’t disagree

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military critics nah I don’t disagree
with some of the aspects of it but you

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with some of the aspects of it but you

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with some of the aspects of it but you
know when you weigh the things the

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know when you weigh the things the

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know when you weigh the things the
relative weight of importance of this

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relative weight of importance of this

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relative weight of importance of this
versus that I think

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versus that I think

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versus that I think
the right decision so I’m not very

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the right decision so I’m not very

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the right decision so I’m not very
critical of it it’s not perfect but what

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critical of it it’s not perfect but what

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critical of it it’s not perfect but what
is it please

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is it please

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is it please
thank you very much Brad Johnson thank

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thank you very much Brad Johnson thank

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thank you very much Brad Johnson thank
you

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