Americans for Intelligence Reform

Brad Johnson, President, and retired CIA Senior Officer and Chief of Staff. Insight into current events from an intelligence angle.

Speculation on problems between China and Canada

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Brad Johnson little follow-up on the

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Brad Johnson little follow-up on the

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Brad Johnson little follow-up on the
piece we did on the potential Chinese

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piece we did on the potential Chinese

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piece we did on the potential Chinese
influence on the failure was a week ago

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influence on the failure was a week ago

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influence on the failure was a week ago
today last Monday where the voice aspect

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today last Monday where the voice aspect

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today last Monday where the voice aspect
of all cell communications candidate was

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of all cell communications candidate was

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of all cell communications candidate was
interfered with some calls worked some

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interfered with some calls worked some

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interfered with some calls worked some
didn’t but overall it was a giant

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didn’t but overall it was a giant

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didn’t but overall it was a giant
disruption in the service and I don’t

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disruption in the service and I don’t

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disruption in the service and I don’t
know if I got a chance to mention this

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know if I got a chance to mention this

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know if I got a chance to mention this
to you or not but the video that you and

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to you or not but the video that you and

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to you or not but the video that you and
I did about this thing about how the

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I did about this thing about how the

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I did about this thing about how the
likely Chinese cause of this cell phone

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likely Chinese cause of this cell phone

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likely Chinese cause of this cell phone
disruption CBC would not allow the link

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disruption CBC would not allow the link

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disruption CBC would not allow the link
to be posted a couple of people tried to

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to be posted a couple of people tried to

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to be posted a couple of people tried to
post a link in their comments and they

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post a link in their comments and they

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post a link in their comments and they
would not Diddy’s or not let it go up or

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would not Diddy’s or not let it go up or

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would not Diddy’s or not let it go up or
they would take it down right away

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they would take it down right away

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they would take it down right away
thought you might find that interesting

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thought you might find that interesting

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thought you might find that interesting
but now it seems that the new story

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but now it seems that the new story

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but now it seems that the new story
today in the news that I think I saw it

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today in the news that I think I saw it

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today in the news that I think I saw it
on Fernando Spencer Fernando I think his

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on Fernando Spencer Fernando I think his

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on Fernando Spencer Fernando I think his
name is great Canadian journalist one of

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name is great Canadian journalist one of

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name is great Canadian journalist one of
the few left and that several Chinese

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the few left and that several Chinese

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the few left and that several Chinese
researchers had been removed from

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researchers had been removed from

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researchers had been removed from
Canada’s only level 4 bio lab it’s in

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Canada’s only level 4 bio lab it’s in

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Canada’s only level 4 bio lab it’s in
Winnipeg against and wondered what you

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Winnipeg against and wondered what you

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Winnipeg against and wondered what you
had to say about that yeah I think it’s

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had to say about that yeah I think it’s

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had to say about that yeah I think it’s
interesting I mean and now just provided

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interesting I mean and now just provided

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interesting I mean and now just provided
the same base for everybody what I was

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the same base for everybody what I was

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the same base for everybody what I was
doing last time was speculating that

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doing last time was speculating that

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doing last time was speculating that
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there might be linkage between the

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there might be linkage between the
arrests of the CFO from Huawei who’s

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arrests of the CFO from Huawei who’s

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arrests of the CFO from Huawei who’s
still being held in Canada under house

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still being held in Canada under house

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still being held in Canada under house
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arrest awaiting extradition to the

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arrest awaiting extradition to the
United States and and by the way Huawei

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United States and and by the way Huawei

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United States and and by the way Huawei
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absolutely is associated with the

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absolutely is associated with the
Chinese government and intelligence and

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Chinese government and intelligence and

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Chinese government and intelligence and
so on so they’re one of the

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so on so they’re one of the

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so on so they’re one of the
organizations it’s definitely operating

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organizations it’s definitely operating

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organizations it’s definitely operating
for China behind the scenes intelligence

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for China behind the scenes intelligence

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for China behind the scenes intelligence
methods and so on and helping to scarf

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methods and so on and helping to scarf

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methods and so on and helping to scarf
up technology that can be used in China

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up technology that can be used in China

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up technology that can be used in China
so they’ll you know lie cheat steal to

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so they’ll you know lie cheat steal to

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so they’ll you know lie cheat steal to
get what they want and huawei’s

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get what they want and huawei’s

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get what they want and huawei’s
knee-deep in that at least so maybe even

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knee-deep in that at least so maybe even

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knee-deep in that at least so maybe even
shendi so I was speculating that this

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shendi so I was speculating that this

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shendi so I was speculating that this
was a way China has tried a couple of

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was a way China has tried a couple of

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was a way China has tried a couple of
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times to pressure Canada on

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times to pressure Canada on
this issue and I was speculating that

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this issue and I was speculating that

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this issue and I was speculating that
perhaps this phone outage a very defined

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perhaps this phone outage a very defined

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perhaps this phone outage a very defined
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thing both in the length of time and the

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thing both in the length of time and the
scope of what was interfering with was

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scope of what was interfering with was

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scope of what was interfering with was
very defined so I find it unusual that

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very defined so I find it unusual that

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very defined so I find it unusual that
all of the Canadian companies large and

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all of the Canadian companies large and

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all of the Canadian companies large and
small at once who provide cell phone

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small at once who provide cell phone

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small at once who provide cell phone
service lost voice so you can still text

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service lost voice so you can still text

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service lost voice so you can still text
but not not call and speak so I I just I

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but not not call and speak so I I just I

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but not not call and speak so I I just I
find that very unusual in coincidence in

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find that very unusual in coincidence in

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find that very unusual in coincidence in
my line of work you become very

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my line of work you become very

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my line of work you become very
suspicious of coincidence after only a

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suspicious of coincidence after only a

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suspicious of coincidence after only a
couple of stack-up you start to look at

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couple of stack-up you start to look at

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couple of stack-up you start to look at
it and go well this is causal somebody’s

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it and go well this is causal somebody’s

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it and go well this is causal somebody’s
doing this this is tit for tat there’s a

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doing this this is tit for tat there’s a

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doing this this is tit for tat there’s a
problem so I’m building on that

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problem so I’m building on that

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problem so I’m building on that
speculation now and of course this is

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speculation now and of course this is

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speculation now and of course this is
speculation i I haven’t received even

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speculation i I haven’t received even

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speculation i I haven’t received even
what I would look at from an

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what I would look at from an

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what I would look at from an
intelligence perspective of as

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intelligence perspective of as

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intelligence perspective of as
confirmation of any of this yet but now

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confirmation of any of this yet but now

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confirmation of any of this yet but now
we suddenly have two Chinese that were

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we suddenly have two Chinese that were

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we suddenly have two Chinese that were
working in this level for a viral

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working in this level for a viral

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working in this level for a viral
biology lab where which is that’s the

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biology lab where which is that’s the

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biology lab where which is that’s the
top level really bad stuff Ebola all of

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top level really bad stuff Ebola all of

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top level really bad stuff Ebola all of
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those sorts of things the really deadly

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those sorts of things the really deadly
stuff was kept in that lab and suddenly

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stuff was kept in that lab and suddenly

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stuff was kept in that lab and suddenly
a Chinese man and woman and Chinese

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a Chinese man and woman and Chinese

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a Chinese man and woman and Chinese
students were University students were

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students were University students were

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students were University students were
were kicked out of this lab no longer

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were kicked out of this lab no longer

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were kicked out of this lab no longer
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allowed access and the staff employees

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allowed access and the staff employees
who are still there have been told no

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who are still there have been told no

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who are still there have been told no
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contact with those people the Chinese

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contact with those people the Chinese
had have all been kicked out now that’s

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had have all been kicked out now that’s

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had have all been kicked out now that’s
an unusual move so there’s and and you

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an unusual move so there’s and and you

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an unusual move so there’s and and you
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would have to assume that the couple and

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would have to assume that the couple and
the chaining students kind of originated

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the chaining students kind of originated

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the chaining students kind of originated
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from separate places I’m sure they were

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from separate places I’m sure they were
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all they all knew each other and work

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all they all knew each other and work
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together and so on and would have been

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together and so on and would have been
easily cooperating with Chinese

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easily cooperating with Chinese

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easily cooperating with Chinese
intelligence I find it unlikely under

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intelligence I find it unlikely under

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intelligence I find it unlikely under
the circumstances because of their

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the circumstances because of their

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the circumstances because of their
separate origins that they would be say

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separate origins that they would be say

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separate origins that they would be say
terrorist type related thing in any way

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terrorist type related thing in any way

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terrorist type related thing in any way
and so them stealing samples of these

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and so them stealing samples of these

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and so them stealing samples of these
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things or information out of the labs

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things or information out of the labs
and all that that would lead to any sort

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and all that that would lead to any sort

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and all that that would lead to any sort
of national security threat for Canada I

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of national security threat for Canada I

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of national security threat for Canada I
find that unlikely in the sense of an

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find that unlikely in the sense of an

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find that unlikely in the sense of an
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attack or being used for an attack so

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attack or being used for an attack so
really that’s it’s Occam’s razor which I

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really that’s it’s Occam’s razor which I

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really that’s it’s Occam’s razor which I
often mentioned the simplest possibility

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often mentioned the simplest possibility

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often mentioned the simplest possibility
that fits the facts is that they were

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that fits the facts is that they were

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that fits the facts is that they were
working with Chinese and and the

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working with Chinese and and the

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working with Chinese and and the
Canadians were one way or another

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Canadians were one way or another

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Canadians were one way or another
this and now this is the the tit for tat

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this and now this is the the tit for tat

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this and now this is the the tit for tat
we’ve got the Huawei CFO being held

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we’ve got the Huawei CFO being held

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we’ve got the Huawei CFO being held
multiple times pressure has been put on

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multiple times pressure has been put on

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multiple times pressure has been put on
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Canada including perhaps this latest

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Canada including perhaps this latest
cyber type attack into the telephone say

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cyber type attack into the telephone say

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cyber type attack into the telephone say
of a telephone system in Canada and then

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of a telephone system in Canada and then

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of a telephone system in Canada and then
now this now this is not I understand

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now this now this is not I understand

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now this now this is not I understand
this is not Trudeau’s normal mo you know

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this is not Trudeau’s normal mo you know

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this is not Trudeau’s normal mo you know
he’s not a tough guy

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he’s not a tough guy

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he’s not a tough guy
closer to pyjama boy than tough guy and

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closer to pyjama boy than tough guy and

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closer to pyjama boy than tough guy and
but yet this would be a sort of behind

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but yet this would be a sort of behind

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but yet this would be a sort of behind
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the scenes he’s not confronting the

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the scenes he’s not confronting the
Chinese openly but this would be a good

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Chinese openly but this would be a good

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Chinese openly but this would be a good
way to kind of confront them if he if he

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way to kind of confront them if he if he

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way to kind of confront them if he if he
were convinced that the phone problem

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were convinced that the phone problem

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were convinced that the phone problem
was of Chinese cause that this would be

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was of Chinese cause that this would be

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was of Chinese cause that this would be
a kind of behind-the-scenes answer he’s

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a kind of behind-the-scenes answer he’s

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a kind of behind-the-scenes answer he’s
responding and and certainly the Royal

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responding and and certainly the Royal

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responding and and certainly the Royal
Canin Police who I believe would be the

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Canin Police who I believe would be the

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Canin Police who I believe would be the
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authority for this type of thing for

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authority for this type of thing for
Canada probably would have looked at

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Canada probably would have looked at

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Canada probably would have looked at
this and said well we need to respond

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this and said well we need to respond

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this and said well we need to respond
somehow and so this would be a way that

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somehow and so this would be a way that

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somehow and so this would be a way that
it could have been done so as again as I

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it could have been done so as again as I

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it could have been done so as again as I
said it’s speculative but it would make

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said it’s speculative but it would make

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said it’s speculative but it would make
sense in the scheme of things why the

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sense in the scheme of things why the

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sense in the scheme of things why the
timing is unusual

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timing is unusual

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timing is unusual
one week after or even six days after

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one week after or even six days after

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one week after or even six days after
the the phone problems that took place

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the the phone problems that took place

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the the phone problems that took place
and now these guys kicked out so even if

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and now these guys kicked out so even if

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and now these guys kicked out so even if
it weren’t done on purpose the Chinese

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it weren’t done on purpose the Chinese

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it weren’t done on purpose the Chinese
might look at it like that if they were

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might look at it like that if they were

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might look at it like that if they were
involved in the phone problem they’re

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involved in the phone problem they’re

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involved in the phone problem they’re
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going to view this as a response from

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going to view this as a response from
Canada even if it wasn’t intended so if

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Canada even if it wasn’t intended so if

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Canada even if it wasn’t intended so if
as I said they had been involved in this

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as I said they had been involved in this

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as I said they had been involved in this
what may have been a cyber attack on the

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what may have been a cyber attack on the

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what may have been a cyber attack on the
Canadian phone system so but again I

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Canadian phone system so but again I

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Canadian phone system so but again I
would tend to speculate you know usually

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would tend to speculate you know usually

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would tend to speculate you know usually
these things getting too far out there I

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these things getting too far out there I

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these things getting too far out there I
mean usually it’s the simple

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mean usually it’s the simple

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mean usually it’s the simple
explanations the right one and so far it

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explanations the right one and so far it

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explanations the right one and so far it
kind of looks that way that it’s it’s

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kind of looks that way that it’s it’s

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kind of looks that way that it’s it’s
stacking up and now we can have

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stacking up and now we can have

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stacking up and now we can have
coincidence after coincidence after

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coincidence after coincidence after

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coincidence after coincidence after
coincidence which as I said after a

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coincidence which as I said after a

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coincidence which as I said after a
while it’s certainly in the intelligence

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while it’s certainly in the intelligence

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while it’s certainly in the intelligence
business you look at it as causal not

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business you look at it as causal not

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business you look at it as causal not
coincidence so I wouldn’t be surprised

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coincidence so I wouldn’t be surprised

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coincidence so I wouldn’t be surprised
if if that’s what we see happening here

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if if that’s what we see happening here

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if if that’s what we see happening here
and this was a very quiet response by

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and this was a very quiet response by

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and this was a very quiet response by
the Canadians

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the Canadians

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the Canadians
to throw these people out now what

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to throw these people out now what

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to throw these people out now what
happens to going forward are these P

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happens to going forward are these P

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happens to going forward are these P
then going to be held for some sort of

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then going to be held for some sort of

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then going to be held for some sort of
prosecution have they done something

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prosecution have they done something

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prosecution have they done something
illegal if they’re leaking secrets if

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illegal if they’re leaking secrets if

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illegal if they’re leaking secrets if
there’s classified information in this

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there’s classified information in this

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there’s classified information in this
lab which they’re you know probably is I

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lab which they’re you know probably is I

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lab which they’re you know probably is I
wouldn’t be surprised don’t know what

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wouldn’t be surprised don’t know what

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wouldn’t be surprised don’t know what
level of those things would be but

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level of those things would be but

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level of those things would be but
certainly this isn’t the type of thing

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certainly this isn’t the type of thing

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certainly this isn’t the type of thing
you want roaming around in the public

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you want roaming around in the public

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you want roaming around in the public
about these type of diseases that are so

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about these type of diseases that are so

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about these type of diseases that are so
very deadly so it would be a and be

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very deadly so it would be a and be

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very deadly so it would be a and be
interesting to see how this unfolds if

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interesting to see how this unfolds if

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interesting to see how this unfolds if
they’re just sent back to China maybe

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they’re just sent back to China maybe

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they’re just sent back to China maybe
that’s a peace gesture I don’t know but

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that’s a peace gesture I don’t know but

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that’s a peace gesture I don’t know but
this this is going to continue to unfold

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this this is going to continue to unfold

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this this is going to continue to unfold
certainly the huawei CFO who’s being

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certainly the huawei CFO who’s being

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certainly the huawei CFO who’s being
held in Canada is a very very big deal

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held in Canada is a very very big deal

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held in Canada is a very very big deal
for the Chinese something you and I have

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for the Chinese something you and I have

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for the Chinese something you and I have
discussed multiple times and interviews

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discussed multiple times and interviews

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discussed multiple times and interviews
so the China the Chinese view this is a

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so the China the Chinese view this is a

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so the China the Chinese view this is a
big deal and that that phone response

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big deal and that that phone response

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big deal and that that phone response
would be up you know kind of a an

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would be up you know kind of a an

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would be up you know kind of a an
appropriate response from the Chinese

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appropriate response from the Chinese

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appropriate response from the Chinese
perspective to fire a warning shot

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perspective to fire a warning shot

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perspective to fire a warning shot
across the bow which I think with the

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across the bow which I think with the

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across the bow which I think with the
current leadership that you have in

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current leadership that you have in

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current leadership that you have in
Canada that type of thing is probably

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Canada that type of thing is probably

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Canada that type of thing is probably
fairly effective as I said Trudeau isn’t

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fairly effective as I said Trudeau isn’t

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fairly effective as I said Trudeau isn’t
the type of guy that’s gonna fire back

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the type of guy that’s gonna fire back

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the type of guy that’s gonna fire back
like that would be precisely the wrong

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like that would be precisely the wrong

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like that would be precisely the wrong
tactic to use would say president United

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tactic to use would say president United

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tactic to use would say president United
States on Trump who would just

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States on Trump who would just

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States on Trump who would just
absolutely go ballistic and have some

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absolutely go ballistic and have some

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absolutely go ballistic and have some
sort of counter punch

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sort of counter punch

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sort of counter punch
whereas Trudeau as I said closer to the

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whereas Trudeau as I said closer to the

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whereas Trudeau as I said closer to the
Jama boy than tough guy we tend to

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Jama boy than tough guy we tend to

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Jama boy than tough guy we tend to
buckle under those sorts of pressure or

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buckle under those sorts of pressure or

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buckle under those sorts of pressure or
not respond try to cover it up and hide

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not respond try to cover it up and hide

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not respond try to cover it up and hide
from the issue so I think it’s

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from the issue so I think it’s

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from the issue so I think it’s
interesting and perhaps speculation is

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interesting and perhaps speculation is

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interesting and perhaps speculation is
getting a little out there on this one

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getting a little out there on this one

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getting a little out there on this one
but if you just look at the connections

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but if you just look at the connections

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but if you just look at the connections
and stuff at all of those seem you know

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and stuff at all of those seem you know

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and stuff at all of those seem you know
mildly tied together so if this is the

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mildly tied together so if this is the

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mildly tied together so if this is the
case I think when being predictive now

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case I think when being predictive now

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case I think when being predictive now
if what I’m suggesting is is true

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if what I’m suggesting is is true

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if what I’m suggesting is is true
there’s going to be another response

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there’s going to be another response

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there’s going to be another response
somehow out of China and so far if this

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somehow out of China and so far if this

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somehow out of China and so far if this
is what’s going on it’s all being kept

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is what’s going on it’s all being kept

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is what’s going on it’s all being kept
as a non-public spat and so I think it

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as a non-public spat and so I think it

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as a non-public spat and so I think it
would continue in that vein so if we see

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would continue in that vein so if we see

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would continue in that vein so if we see
something else out of China so possibly

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something else out of China so possibly

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something else out of China so possibly
that’s all about Canada then I would

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that’s all about Canada then I would

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that’s all about Canada then I would
start to begin you know to take these

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start to begin you know to take these

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start to begin you know to take these
things as calm

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things as calm

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things as calm
mansions so that would be hit I would

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mansions so that would be hit I would

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mansions so that would be hit I would
expect and you know the next month

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expect and you know the next month

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expect and you know the next month
there’s two or something like that some

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there’s two or something like that some

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there’s two or something like that some
sort of response out of China if if this

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sort of response out of China if if this

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sort of response out of China if if this
is indeed as something that’s building

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is indeed as something that’s building

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is indeed as something that’s building
well guess looking at Trudeau’s history

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well guess looking at Trudeau’s history

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well guess looking at Trudeau’s history
it’s it’s non-action mostly I mean if he

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it’s it’s non-action mostly I mean if he

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it’s it’s non-action mostly I mean if he
takes any accidents against old stock

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takes any accidents against old stock

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takes any accidents against old stock
Canadians I think he calls them us yes

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Canadians I think he calls them us yes

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Canadians I think he calls them us yes
and the the other thing is that well

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and the the other thing is that well

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and the the other thing is that well
yeah if you add up if you add up what

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yeah if you add up if you add up what

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yeah if you add up if you add up what
seems to have happened last week with

450
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seems to have happened last week with

451
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seems to have happened last week with
this and again this lab contained

452
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this and again this lab contained

453
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this and again this lab contained
samples of Ebola get other highly

454
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samples of Ebola get other highly

455
00:09:28,089 –> 00:09:31,920
samples of Ebola get other highly
virulent very very dangerous diseases

456
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virulent very very dangerous diseases

457
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virulent very very dangerous diseases
so it’s like not a small thing that

458
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so it’s like not a small thing that

459
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so it’s like not a small thing that
these particular greed this is not a

460
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these particular greed this is not a

461
00:09:37,209 –> 00:09:39,480
these particular greed this is not a
small thing this kid this is reasonably

462
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small thing this kid this is reasonably

463
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small thing this kid this is reasonably
significant and it has the potential to

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significant and it has the potential to

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significant and it has the potential to
be very dangerous and also if by

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be very dangerous and also if by

467
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be very dangerous and also if by
stealing all that information whatever’s

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stealing all that information whatever’s

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stealing all that information whatever’s
Canada is working on and I assume that’s

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Canada is working on and I assume that’s

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Canada is working on and I assume that’s
probably done in conjunction with the

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probably done in conjunction with the

473
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probably done in conjunction with the
United States we have a very active

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United States we have a very active

475
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United States we have a very active
program in that I don’t know but that

476
00:09:54,689 –> 00:09:54,699
program in that I don’t know but that

477
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program in that I don’t know but that
would be logical for it to take place

478
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would be logical for it to take place

479
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would be logical for it to take place
that would be a a window into the entire

480
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that would be a a window into the entire

481
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that would be a a window into the entire
program out of Canada where they could

482
00:10:00,360 –> 00:10:00,370
program out of Canada where they could

483
00:10:00,370 –> 00:10:02,430
program out of Canada where they could
they could siphon off information or

484
00:10:02,430 –> 00:10:02,440
they could siphon off information or

485
00:10:02,440 –> 00:10:05,400
they could siphon off information or
data or samples and so on it and stop to

486
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data or samples and so on it and stop to

487
00:10:05,410 –> 00:10:07,620
data or samples and so on it and stop to
can’t attack China rather and that would

488
00:10:07,620 –> 00:10:07,630
can’t attack China rather and that would

489
00:10:07,630 –> 00:10:09,930
can’t attack China rather and that would
advance their their own program by a

490
00:10:09,930 –> 00:10:09,940
advance their their own program by a

491
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advance their their own program by a
little bit or even confirm or give them

492
00:10:12,360 –> 00:10:12,370
little bit or even confirm or give them

493
00:10:12,370 –> 00:10:15,000
little bit or even confirm or give them
other details to kind of broaden their

494
00:10:15,000 –> 00:10:15,010
other details to kind of broaden their

495
00:10:15,010 –> 00:10:19,290
other details to kind of broaden their
their overall the overall program thank

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00:10:19,290 –> 00:10:19,300
their overall the overall program thank

497
00:10:19,300 –> 00:10:20,850
their overall the overall program thank
you very much Fred Johnson I guess

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00:10:20,850 –> 00:10:20,860
you very much Fred Johnson I guess

499
00:10:20,860 –> 00:10:22,860
you very much Fred Johnson I guess
chances are good that we’ll be talking

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chances are good that we’ll be talking

501
00:10:22,870 –> 00:10:24,329
chances are good that we’ll be talking
about this again in the next week or two

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00:10:24,329 –> 00:10:24,339
about this again in the next week or two

503
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about this again in the next week or two
I suspect so thank you

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