Americans for Intelligence Reform

Brad Johnson, President, and retired CIA Senior Officer and Chief of Staff. Insight into current events from an intelligence angle.

Brad Johnson December 18, 2019 update on impeachment process

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Brad Johnson it is December 18 20 19 and

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it’s getting quite dense it’s getting

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quite information dense out there in

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terms of the impeachment thing there are

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there’s a lot of information coming out

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on both sides which you know frankly

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it’s refreshing in a way cuz normally

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it’s only coming out on the side of

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people who appear to be fabricating a

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case against President Trump can you

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give us an update on where we’re at

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please yes absolutely and I this is

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something you and I talked about the day

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it started to change over and now we’re

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actually in a mother metaphor I like to

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use work now finally in a to a shooting

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range we’ve been just watching a one-way

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shooting range for three years as

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president Trump has been under constant

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attack constant attack and kind of the

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theme the interesting perspective of

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liberalism on this whole thing is that

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it’s okay for them to attack the

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president but for the president to

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defend himself is him targeting the

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people and they point out yeah okay yeah

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we all say that in the media about him

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all the time okay fine but we’re not the

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president United States he’s the

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president adage and he’s you know by

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defending himself he’s targeting us and

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so that’s that’s wrong and unfair

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interesting perspective I’ll have to say

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kind of based on this emotional world of

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how things they in their mind should be

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versus how they are I mean if you’re if

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you’re gonna go into the kitchen then

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you need to be prepared to take some of

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the heat that’s in there right I like

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that’s not been for a second that seems

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absolutely consistent with what I’ve

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seen so far which is a policy where

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President Trump is is not it’s not that

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he’s being above the law but he’s

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actually being kept below the law he

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actually has less rights according to

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his opponents in the media than the

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average citizen that that’s correct

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that’s exactly right and in fact that’s

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part of where I was headed with this

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right now is that point because what

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we’ve seen is John Brennan and Lisa page

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the former FBI deputy director and

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McCabe and different people will go out

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on the on the trail yesterday they’ve

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been big in the news since the I GE an

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inspector general report came out from

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Horowitz because they see

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I’ve been saying for like a year

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everybody knows what’s coming everybody

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sees the Hammers gonna fall on them so

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they’re building their defense now a

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couple of interesting points out of that

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one of the big spin items that goes

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completely unchallenged in the process

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and one of the things they’re talking

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about and just even if you sat and just

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thought about it for a second you kind

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of look at it go wait a second and and

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that is what they’re describing these 17

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mistakes that the FBI made in the FISA

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process and that all were targeting

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Trump and and what they’re doing was

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well you can divide this into there were

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just mistakes and then there were

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purposeful mistakes and purposeful

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mistake okay so on purpose and mistake

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even I I I don’t that doesn’t really

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compute what would that mean in this

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context and you know it’s not like

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you’re throwing a game by making a

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mistake on purpose you know or a boxing

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match where you let the guy hit you or

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something that’s a purposeful mistake I

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suppose but because you can get whacked

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but the this type of thing doing it on

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purpose means malice of you know they

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thought about it in advanced mmm and did

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this on purpose they lied and cheated

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install basically in order for the

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target president Trump and what they’re

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doing is trying to spin this off and

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make it a mistake because a mistake

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emotionally for everybody is something

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like what we all make mistakes right

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everybody’s made a mistake I’ve made

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mistakes everyone watching this is made

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a mistake so it’s just a mistake this

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was a purposeful mistake but it was

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still a mistake so you can already see

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this is pure propaganda being built into

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this system and that’s the spin that

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they’re currently using and you also

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have for example Lisa page now Lisa page

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was the Peter Strock lover and they were

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the ones sending the text back and forth

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and talking about the insurance policy

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to make sure Trump doesn’t get elected

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so she’s out on the circuit over the

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over this weekend yesterday in

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particular on Rachel Maddow and and a

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couple of things that came out of that

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is her saying that she has been targeted

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that she’s the victim so that’s the

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defense that’s basically I mean if

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you’re as guilty as hell everybody knows

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it the proof is coming out what is it

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you have left to say to defend yourself

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and that’s really it that’s

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only option she has is that I am the

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victim and nothing bad was going on

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there’s no there there and we were just

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talking in general about how we have an

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insurance policy I mean we the people

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will make sure that he doesn’t get

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elected and just Democrats and good

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people in general will make sure that

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that President Trump or you know then

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candidate Trump is not elected and

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that’s the insurance policy so this is

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the spin that’s coming out in

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preparation I mean anyone who looks at

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this fake news and targeting a president

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Trump should view this in a positive

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fashion because the rats are leaving the

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sinking ship and they’re throwing out

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this facade of Defense’s trying to

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prepare themselves to win this that all

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of the bad news tickets in the John

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derma investigation that’s that’s coming

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out something similar that we’ve seen

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John Brennan hitting the news use on

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MSNBC which is where he normally goes

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and NPR and he’s done he’s talking about

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how all the you know these good people

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in the intelligence community the I see

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and how they’re used as political

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footballs and I am so tired of seeing

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that and these are good people that are

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out there doing their job and they’re

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being used as this political football

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blah blah blah this is that pure

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propaganda being built up being carried

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forward by the mainstream media trying

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to help build this defense for these

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people who we all know are guilty they

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know they’re guilty the media knows

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they’re guilty the mainstream media

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knows they’re guilty everyone knows

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they’re guilty everyone knows what’s

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coming and this is the only defense they

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have and that’s why you see such careful

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spin like purposeful mistake and the

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good people of the I see being used as a

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political football which I just have to

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point out the irony of this John Brennan

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talking about how the intelligence

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community is so important to the future

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of our children and grandchildren to

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protect national security blah blah blah

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which is true that is true but he was

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the one that eliminated the Cape the

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Espionage capability in the operational

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cadre out of the CIA single-handedly has

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done probably the most damage to

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national security of any American since

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World War two or I mean he’s certainly

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up there

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the list top three if not number one and

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there he is crying crocodile tears on TV

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talking about how important intelligence

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is and all of that it’s just I have a

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suspicion that he’s also behind the

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removal of key people in government

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who’s whose purpose it was was to inform

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the United States on the strategic

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threat that Islam presents I agree

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there’s been problems and in the eight

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years of the Obama administration

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particularly with regards to the Muslim

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Brotherhood the depth to which they

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became involved with the US government

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is really alarming and very little of

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this I mean there’s been a lot of us out

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there talking in the blogosphere in

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other news to some degree or another but

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it’s never been looked at as a

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government issue but here in the United

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States it’s a problem Huma Abedin just

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for example Hillary Clinton’s right hand

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came came out of the Muslim Brotherhood

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her mother has a Muslim Brotherhood

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magazine that they I believe it’s an

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electronic magazine I don’t know if it’s

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a paper copy as well but that’s where

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I’m a habit even came from she worked

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there so she was essentially an employee

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of the Muslim Brotherhood and came

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across and how she got connected up with

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Hillary I’m not sure of all the history

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of that and her husband Anthony Weiner

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of course being in the Congress and

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thrown out for targeting little girls

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for sexual behavior and different things

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that you’ve seen where they’ve made

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inroads into the government even to the

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point now where essentially we have care

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which is you know an organization

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involved in a lot of ways that they’ve

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been in there been some indictments and

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things where they’ve gotten in trouble

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for supporting terrorism CA ir and and

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those guys are providing training to our

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border guard and how would they be you

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know how would it come about where

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they’re given a contract to provide

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training and that’s something that’s

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been going on for a long time that’s one

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of the travesties that I I wish

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president Trump would focus on and and

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and eliminate that out of this and just

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designate all of these guys involved

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with this Muslim extremism as terrorists

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and I went we’re not saying it happening

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Brotherhood in particular tremendous

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inroads in Europe and working closely

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with air to GaN to you know look at a

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new Caliphate and here in the United

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States they’re carrying out the

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sustainable policies and of course there

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aren’t all here is to stop programs like

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this for example and any sort of open

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debate and immediate response is of

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course that by pointing out some of the

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problems and dangers as we do from time

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to time here that were there for racists

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and like supremacists and extremists and

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blah blah blah

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those sorts of things which I can’t get

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a kick out of being a Cherokee white

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supremacist it’s it’s one of those

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comical things I hear from time to time

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on these uh you know responses it but at

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any rate the the impeachment vote is

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today it’s going to pass they’ll be

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probably it looks like two desertions

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from the Democratic Party they don’t

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need those votes they still have enough

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votes to pass and there’ll be a couple

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of Democrats that will vote against

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impeachment with the Republicans so any

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bipartisan element will be on the

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Republican side against impeachment the

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poll numbers have been going through the

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floor in the past month Democrats who

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are in favor of impeachment but those

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numbers are going down too

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that’s very indicative the independent

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numbers have gone way down the

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Republicans have always been against it

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and those numbers have gotten better and

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hardened and the Democratic numbers are

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the ones that are softening so this is

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this is why the rush this is why they

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want to get through it they want to get

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out of this as quickly as possible so

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they’re going to they’re going to try to

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vote on this today it will pass the

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house is going to impeach Trump on you

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know nobody knows exactly what there’s

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two schools of thought how this will go

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forward right now one is that the

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Republicans are going to immediately

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move to dismiss because nowhere in the

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articles of impeachment does it talk

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about a crime and some of the stuff for

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example in the weather where they’re

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claiming President Trump was trying to

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block Congress doing its job and so on

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and they’re calling you know they’re

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calling that a crime but and that’s over

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the taxes where President Trump didn’t

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give him gave Congress his taxes that’s

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going to the Supreme Court so the court

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has accepted it

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so how you know the Congress can’t say

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that this is some sort of you know means

0:11:13.870,0:11:20.920
of impeding Congress from doing its job

0:11:17.110,0:11:22.570
when the other the three parts of

0:11:20.920,0:11:24.220
government the legislative mean Congress

0:11:22.570,0:11:26.680
the exactly mean their president and the

0:11:24.220,0:11:28.960
judicial when the judicial has accepted

0:11:26.680,0:11:31.360
the case to decide so it’s ongoing in

0:11:28.960,0:11:34.870
court so it came out possibly be an

0:11:31.360,0:11:37.120
impeachable offense on the part of the

0:11:34.870,0:11:38.830
president United States so it’s one of

0:11:37.120,0:11:40.720
those things that that they’re looking

0:11:38.830,0:11:42.640
at that just saying well it’ll be

0:11:40.720,0:11:43.900
dismissed out of hand immediately and

0:11:42.640,0:11:45.490
it’ll be one of the very first things

0:11:43.900,0:11:46.900
that comes up when it hits the Senate

0:11:45.490,0:11:49.990
and I’ll say well there’s no crimes

0:11:46.900,0:11:52.300
listed here this is in court can’t

0:11:49.990,0:11:54.010
possibly be a crime if if if the Supreme

0:11:52.300,0:11:56.680
Court is going to take this case on and

0:11:54.010,0:11:59.140
and decide and there’s no crime

0:11:56.680,0:12:00.430
otherwise so dismiss the case so I don’t

0:11:59.140,0:12:02.080
know there’s that goes back and forth

0:12:00.430,0:12:04.300
that’s a popular flaw right now we’ll

0:12:02.080,0:12:07.540
see when the other thing is to go ahead

0:12:04.300,0:12:09.400
and do the court case more or less in

0:12:07.540,0:12:11.800
the Senate there’s some dangers with

0:12:09.400,0:12:14.050
that most people don’t realize it’s not

0:12:11.800,0:12:16.090
necessarily up to Mitch McConnell the

0:12:14.050,0:12:18.220
speaker or the head of the Senate you

0:12:16.090,0:12:20.950
know for the Republican majority it’s

0:12:18.220,0:12:23.650
not up to him necessarily all the rules

0:12:20.950,0:12:26.710
because who oversees that is the Chief

0:12:23.650,0:12:29.080
Justice Roberts so Chief Justice Roberts

0:12:26.710,0:12:30.460
can look at the request of the Democrats

0:12:29.080,0:12:31.930
to do this out of the other and all

0:12:30.460,0:12:33.460
these things that they’re trying to

0:12:31.930,0:12:36.700
bring in these witnesses and so on he

0:12:33.460,0:12:38.740
can look at those rules and say yes and

0:12:36.700,0:12:41.410
overrule Mitch McConnell on how that

0:12:38.740,0:12:44.500
proceeds so the Republicans don’t have

0:12:41.410,0:12:46.750
it all their way like they Democrats did

0:12:44.500,0:12:48.070
in in the house side so this can play

0:12:46.750,0:12:50.170
out a little differently the president

0:12:48.070,0:12:51.880
says he wants the actual trial in the

0:12:50.170,0:12:54.550
Senate so that he can just beat him up

0:12:51.880,0:12:55.930
with all this stuff which I don’t know

0:12:54.550,0:12:58.030
you know it’s hard to hard to guess

0:12:55.930,0:13:01.900
which will play the best but right now

0:12:58.030,0:13:03.910
President Trump is just winning big on

0:13:01.900,0:13:05.410
this stuff I mean the Democrats are are

0:13:03.910,0:13:06.940
going down they’ve had a couple

0:13:05.410,0:13:09.700
desertions like I mentioned it’s not

0:13:06.940,0:13:12.130
going to be very many I doubt they said

0:13:09.700,0:13:13.930
that out of the 20 some-odd people that

0:13:12.130,0:13:15.610
are in these districts 18 have already

0:13:13.930,0:13:17.620
committed so the vote from Beach Minh

0:13:15.610,0:13:19.540
that still leaves maybe a handful that

0:13:17.620,0:13:20.370
could vote against it but at least looks

0:13:19.540,0:13:23.490
like it

0:13:20.370,0:13:25.800
right now well no this afternoon so I

0:13:23.490,0:13:28.260
mean that’s basically where so would it

0:13:25.800,0:13:31.680
be fair to say in summary that what we

0:13:28.260,0:13:34.860
we have to a degree is sort of an

0:13:31.680,0:13:37.709
organic prisoner’s dilemma that a lot of

0:13:34.860,0:13:39.959
the key people who are anti-trump are

0:13:37.709,0:13:42.170
starting to realize their positions

0:13:39.959,0:13:46.100
aren’t very good and they’re starting to

0:13:42.170,0:13:49.500
be willing to rat each other out for

0:13:46.100,0:13:50.970
lighter penalties or no penalty because

0:13:49.500,0:13:57.120
I mean it sort of looks that way to me

0:13:50.970,0:14:01.380
between Paige and the FBI guy what’s his

0:13:57.120,0:14:06.209
name anyway it looks like no the the guy

0:14:01.380,0:14:08.160
who messed like the curtains what oh I

0:14:06.209,0:14:12.180
think Comey was one hiding in the

0:14:08.160,0:14:13.079
curtain yeah now there they’re there and

0:14:12.180,0:14:14.370
they’re one of the things they’re

0:14:13.079,0:14:16.740
playing on this sort of thing to you

0:14:14.370,0:14:18.269
it’s a little bit goofy is but it’s

0:14:16.740,0:14:21.180
again it’s part of that defense is

0:14:18.269,0:14:22.529
they’re saying well you know in the IG

0:14:21.180,0:14:24.690
inspection he said there’s you know

0:14:22.529,0:14:27.060
there’s no conclusive proof of this that

0:14:24.690,0:14:29.100
or the other which is true but that’s

0:14:27.060,0:14:30.899
not really the purpose of what an IG

0:14:29.100,0:14:32.370
does you know the idea is we’ve

0:14:30.899,0:14:34.800
mentioned many times before it can

0:14:32.370,0:14:36.600
subpoena people can’t force them can

0:14:34.800,0:14:40.110
indict them and those sorts of things

0:14:36.600,0:14:42.779
and that’s that’s an IG is not law

0:14:40.110,0:14:45.029
enforcement and what they’ll do next

0:14:42.779,0:14:47.519
with with John Durham is is a law

0:14:45.029,0:14:48.990
enforcement exercise so it’s a lot

0:14:47.519,0:14:50.940
different when you know they’ll go

0:14:48.990,0:14:53.040
question four guys and then four guys

0:14:50.940,0:14:54.360
say you know oh yeah well we didn’t do

0:14:53.040,0:14:57.180
anything illegal don’t know where that

0:14:54.360,0:14:59.040
came from so everything’s fine so none

0:14:57.180,0:15:00.750
of them admitted that they hate

0:14:59.040,0:15:02.130
president drop and they were clearly all

0:15:00.750,0:15:04.649
targeting them and that sort of thing

0:15:02.130,0:15:06.449
and then in the mid to it so that’s what

0:15:04.649,0:15:07.920
the IG has to report and he doesn’t have

0:15:06.449,0:15:12.089
a way to force that issue

0:15:07.920,0:15:14.010
so now Durham does so Durham calls it

0:15:12.089,0:15:15.300
let’s say he calls in Lisa page just to

0:15:14.010,0:15:17.430
pick somebody because she’s been in the

0:15:15.300,0:15:19.019
press and they say Lisa we know you’re

0:15:17.430,0:15:21.079
involved in this we got proof you did

0:15:19.019,0:15:23.670
this but if you did this refuted this

0:15:21.079,0:15:25.949
you’re going to jail for 20 years now

0:15:23.670,0:15:27.779
would you like to discuss this you want

0:15:25.949,0:15:29.160
to you know you want to testify against

0:15:27.779,0:15:31.529
your buddies you know you want it you

0:15:29.160,0:15:33.810
know Peter Straub to be the 20 years or

0:15:31.529,0:15:36.149
want to do 20 years or you know we can

0:15:33.810,0:15:38.009
try to go for both and you know those

0:15:36.149,0:15:42.060
are those types of people like I say

0:15:38.009,0:15:44.249
these these guys just you know they

0:15:42.060,0:15:46.949
don’t they’re not of that world and

0:15:44.249,0:15:48.269
faces jail time they don’t have that

0:15:46.949,0:15:51.449
toughness they’re all going to crumble

0:15:48.269,0:15:53.009
all of them and this is this whole thing

0:15:51.449,0:15:54.930
is going to fall apart again as I say

0:15:53.009,0:15:56.459
they all see this coming they know

0:15:54.930,0:15:58.170
what’s going to happen and they’re all

0:15:56.459,0:15:59.879
kind of like like I say they’re really

0:15:58.170,0:16:02.100
this is the rats leaving a sinking ship

0:15:59.879,0:16:04.649
at this point where they’re looking at

0:16:02.100,0:16:06.029
it and saying you know troubles coming

0:16:04.649,0:16:07.829
and I don’t want it to be me so I’m

0:16:06.029,0:16:10.050
going to say well I’m the victim you

0:16:07.829,0:16:11.730
know it’s not me oh you know intentional

0:16:10.050,0:16:13.889
mistakes or the mistakes you know

0:16:11.730,0:16:15.120
anybody makes mistakes and that’s the

0:16:13.889,0:16:17.129
defense they’re trying to build in the

0:16:15.120,0:16:19.800
in the public arena so that they’re

0:16:17.129,0:16:22.170
hoping that they’re a lesser target and

0:16:19.800,0:16:23.959
not going after so hard by John Durham

0:16:22.170,0:16:26.759
in these indictments come out and I

0:16:23.959,0:16:28.290
think we can rest assured that now the

0:16:26.759,0:16:30.990
odds of there being indictments is

0:16:28.290,0:16:32.610
pretty close to a hundred percent so and

0:16:30.990,0:16:34.410
as that as that happens I think this

0:16:32.610,0:16:36.329
will spread because they’re going to

0:16:34.410,0:16:37.470
they’re going to try to point the finger

0:16:36.329,0:16:40.709
someplace else to get out of trouble

0:16:37.470,0:16:43.649
themselves and I think this will lead

0:16:40.709,0:16:46.199
back to John Brennan and CIA

0:16:43.649,0:16:48.689
I think it’ll lead back somewhere into

0:16:46.199,0:16:50.189
the Hillary Clinton organization I think

0:16:48.689,0:16:53.279
that that’s going to be very quick to

0:16:50.189,0:16:55.470
come up and maybe maybe as far as

0:16:53.279,0:16:57.629
President Obama that’s possible as well

0:16:55.470,0:16:59.839
though much much harder to get to that

0:16:57.629,0:16:59.839
level

 
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