Will the truth ever be known?
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welcome to stand
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the gap today with your host the
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honorable sam rohr
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president of the american pastors
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network addressing the most pressing
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our daily lives
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culture
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one heart at a time well today in
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washington d.c america watches i’m sure
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you are
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i know we are but not just us the entire
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world is watching two ideological sides
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uh aligned in a i’ll say a similar
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fashion to the biblical story of david
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and
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goliath the philistines i’m i’m
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referring to them
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they’re the globalists the marxist
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islamists and
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the bribed and the corrupted of today
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that group
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together ideologically anticipate a
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victory
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through a stolen election
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we know that it’s obvious but so many um
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don’t they believe and i would say
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demonically planned
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and executed on the other side or
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perhaps a
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million or so patriotic americans are
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gathering on the ground many already
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there
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and and perhaps um more than 70 million
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plus
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other americans across the nation are
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watching uh president
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trump at this point 75 u.s congressmen
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uh in a dozen or so u.s senators like
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little david with the armies of israel
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gathered on the other side
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not at all certain as to the outcome but
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so many praying that god would bring
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forth the truth
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and that justice would be done that’s
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what we’ve talked about a lot here
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in our prayers with that i welcome you
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to the program today i’m sam rohr and
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i’ll be joined by dr gary dahl
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real i want to bring in right now a new
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guest to stand in the gap today
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now but a guest that i’ve carefully
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selected to help us
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understand key facts and to understand
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a very fundamental key
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question that i know we all share about
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what’s happening in dc today
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and that’s regarding information or we
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refer to it often as
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intelligence and information and
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intelligence specifically
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about the attempted election theft
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is information known if so by whom
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and why is that information at least at
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this point
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why hasn’t it come out because without
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truth there is no justice
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information withheld is a serious matter
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my guest today is eminently qualified to
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speak on these matters of intelligence
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since he is a retired cia operative
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and station chief and he is the founder
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of americans for intelligence reform
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which you can find at their website
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intelreform.org his name is brad johnson
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brad does a great deal of speaking
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writing and consulting on matters of
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intelligence and intelligence gathering
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and more and with that i want to welcome
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to stand in the gap today right now brad
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johnson brad thank you for being with us
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uh thank you so much for having me it’s
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a real pleasure to speak with you today
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uh brad um you are an expert here we
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have a lot to get in
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so um again we’re gonna get right into
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it take just a moment if you don’t mind
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and share with our
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listeners today why you founded
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americans for intelligence reform why is
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that was your organization important
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well after i retired from the cia i i
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fully intended to have nothing
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whatsoever to do with anything of that
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nature again
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and and circumstances kind of led me
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back into it there was the
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the chinese hack of the government
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files that was opm the office of
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personnel management my name came out of
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that
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the chinese ended up selling it or
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giving it to some local criminal group
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of some sort who
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then began to call in harass and make
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death threats and that sort of thing so
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it was one of those things where i said
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well okay i guess you’re never
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really able to retire and kind of
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disappear into the
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background having come out of the cia so
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i saw that i had to become active again
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and did and started looking around for
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groups that were very active in trying
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to
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reform some of the problems because
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intelligence and the intelligence
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community has become
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so highly politicized and worse it’s
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become weaponized
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and as i looked around and asked around
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and started uh you know contacting
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friends on the hill
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different congressmen and so on uh
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discovered that there was no such group
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at least from the
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conservative constitutional conservative
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christian conservative
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perspective there was no one like that
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there was no group
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so i founded one myself i was that was
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the the only way i found to go forward
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and that’s where
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americans for intelligence reform came
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from and what led me to
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to get going on it excellent uh brad for
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this purpose right now i’d just like you
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to make a listing when we hear
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intelligence we’ve heard a lot of it
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through the last uh four
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years here of the trump administration
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we have intelligent leaks we have
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the national nsa and changing of the
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guard there
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there’s a lot of entities involved could
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you just describe for us briefly
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what constitutes the intelligence
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community what agencies
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uh are a part of that can you kind of
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give some shape to that for us please
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sure um the intelligence community
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itself
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is made up by 17 agencies so it’s
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actually
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uh you know quite big and robust not
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just
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the principal ones i would say are that
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everyone has probably heard of
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uh central intelligence agency the cia
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defense intelligence agency
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national reconnaissance office united
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states department of state
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federal bureau of investigation and then
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also in part of that you have
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all the uh the dod the department of
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defense the military
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is is divided out by branch so the navy
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forms its own it has its own
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intelligence the army and the marine
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corps
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etc etc so that’s the core of it and
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it’s um
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as i said it’s it’s very large very
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robust and
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what happened coming out of 911 is the
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director of national intelligence
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was created as a position to kind of
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head up
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and keep organized all of these
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different uh agencies
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because there has been a lot of mission
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creep and
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overlap and bloating and things so that
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position was created in order to do that
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and of course one of my pet peeves is
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the director of national intelligence
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started out being a position of maybe
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100 people and slowly grew to where now
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it’s thousands of people
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and they indeed have mission creep and
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bloating of their own so it’s just
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government that operating as it normally
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does
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government at its very best i guess you
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could say we’re very worst i’m not sure
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brad but it’s delight to have you with
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us
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we hear that word intelligence we
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understand that intelligence is
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important but
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number one really what is the
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the res the responsibility those who are
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involved in intelligence what do the
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intelligence gatherings entities do
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and who are they responsible to are they
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responsible to the executive branch in
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the president of the united states or
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to whom are they responsible well it’s a
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little different for each one
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and uh as as you would probably
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recognize most listeners
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would understand for example the
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department of defense
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navy intelligence marine army uh
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the um a dia which of course is also
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under the military
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all of those then report back up through
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military channels and report to the
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secretary of defense
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who does openly as a you know cabinet
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member report to the president
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so ultimately of course it all goes to
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the president but you have
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intelligence uh you know it could come
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under treasury it can come under
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different factions the cia of course
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does report directly to the president
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although now with the dni there’s kind
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of an additional layer but that
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individual also reports directly to the
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president so it’s
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it’s kind of a hodgepodge of a little
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bit of everything
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okay with that uh brad thank you i have
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to break away here ladies and gentlemen
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stay with us we’re giving an
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intelligence
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update right now brad johnson retired
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cia
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operative and station chief we’re
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talking about intelligence
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and we’re going to go next in the next
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segment i’m going to ask him
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what information is actually known about
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this election and why hasn’t been
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released
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today as we do this program folks are
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gathered in washington dc all
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eyes are there what’s going to happen
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what information is going to be
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presented how will the senate respond
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what’s going to happen in the house all
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of these things right
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it’s a big deal and it’s all going to be
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linked to
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evidence or we could say intelligence i
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was thinking about this from a biblical
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perspective and
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i thought of the the book of proverbs
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chapter 20 and verse 18
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it says this every purpose is
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established by council
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and with good advice make war you can
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substitute counsel for information
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intelligence it’s all kind of put
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together and i thought about this as
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well
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after being delivered from the bondage
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of egyptian slavery moses sent 12 spies
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across the jordan river
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their command spy out the land
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their purpose conduct intelligence
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gathering
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find out about the land the people in
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the land their military strengths and
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their weaknesses
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but then there was a reporting component
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of intelligence gathering which then
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led to intelligence analog analysis and
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then ultimately
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a decision by the leader how should we
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proceed or act
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on the intelligence given
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we know that story twelve spies saw they
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all gathered the same intel
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yet ten interpreted it one way into
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another ten used it to short-circuit
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god’s plan for israel and
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to deprive the people of god’s blessing
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in short they manipulated the
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intelligence out of fear and who knows
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whatever reasons but two spies
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joshua caleb said the only right thing
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to do with this intelligence is to
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proceed forward
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and trust the lord for the results that
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brings us to the role of intelligence
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and the part it is playing
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or should play in regard to the security
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of our nation
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and the desire to expose the efforts to
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steal an election
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and subvert justice in america and
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ultimately
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well we’re going to talk about who has
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that information what do they have
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and what should they do with it brad you
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again as a former retired cia operative
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and station chief and now
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uh the founder of uh intel
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reform.org that’s where the la the the
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site is americans for intelligence
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reform
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i have two questions for you to answer
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i’m going to pose one and then gary is
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going to pose
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you the other but here’s this
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we got a lot of intel out there uh but
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as of this point
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it seemed at least six or more states
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in the house the same may happen here’s
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my question
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does the evidence the intelligence
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does it exist as to for instance the
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role
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of the dominion voting machines the
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algorithm
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allegedly in place to switch and
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manipulate votes the alleged location of
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the dominion server
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in germany the degree of tampering the
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degree to which china or russia
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were and or are involved does
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this intelligence exist brad
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and if so who is or
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should be or could be
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in possession of this information
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well i i would say you know almost
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certainly the
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the information does exist uh and
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and you’ve covered quite a swath there
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there’s a number of layers to this that
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are a problem
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and one of the things i’ve talked a
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great deal about is is how this
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scenario played out that the embassy in
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rome was involved in just
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just um yesterday additional information
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surfaced saying a man
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a u.s citizen named stefano serafini
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was the state department employee who
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who set all of this up to take place and
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he retired the day before the election
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took place and moved back to the states
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so that he couldn’t be forced to testify
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couldn’t be subject to an ig inspection
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couldn’t be deposed and all those things
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as a private citizen
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so i think there’s ample proof out there
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but then you say does it exist that goes
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into a separate area because
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just because now i have not spoken to
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this person but let’s say i had and he
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confessed everything to me
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and i knew all the details of precisely
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how it was done that does not constitute
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as
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evidence because it’s just me it’s just
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him telling me this stuff
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where you create evidence is if it’s
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investigated
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by the federal government in some way it
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could be
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a defense intelligence agency dia out of
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the military could be the fbi it could
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be some other
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arm of law enforcement at that point you
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have an official investigation
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and that information that they would
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find out and they would confirm
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that would be evidence the problem is
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here
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with all of this that the way this is
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set up is the most of the federal
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agencies
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are now controlled by activists and we
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all famously know
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activist judges well activist judges
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what are they
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activist judges are actually people who
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have set aside the constitution set
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aside u.s
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laws and they take their personal
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political beliefs
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and they make that preeminent and they
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make their decisions based on their
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personal opinion
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of politics that’s what activism is it
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is a
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horrible cancer in our society and these
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activist judges
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are an element of that well that carries
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over into a lot of other places we have
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activist politicians
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we have activist judges we have
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activists
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in law enforcement we have activists in
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intelligence
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and they are all the same they all put
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their personal political beliefs ahead
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of the constitution
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ahead of the law and ahead of morality
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and so that’s the
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the underlying problem here they it’s
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the information has not been turned into
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evidence because
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doj the department of justice won’t
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investigate it they steadfast
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refuse to look at it the fbi refuses to
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investigate it
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they steadfastly refuse to get involved
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so that’s the nature of the problem it’s
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the activist
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individuals that have that form that
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swamp that president trump has referred
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to
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that are blocking all of this wow that
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that’s quite revealing in essence what
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you’re saying that there is information
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there
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that could be turned into evidence but
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the activists
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do not want to turn that into evidence
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just
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shortly or quickly yes or no to that and
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then i want to follow that up
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it’s absolutely correct uh and
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absolutely yes
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okay so that would then show us why the
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intelligence about the election the
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dominion machines and the china
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connection
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really is not coming out and being being
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acted upon
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that’s absolutely correct it’s it’s a
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just a travesty of justice
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these these activists that have taken
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over the different federal agencies and
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certainly in the leadership positions
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uh are are just they they don’t like it
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and we’ve even seen
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the within the republican party there’s
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a large element that just does not like
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president trump period they don’t care
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about anything else the only thing they
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care about is not like not liking
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president trump and wanting to get rid
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of him regardless of the truth
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and that is a problem they are also in
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this activist class
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and and they’re blocking all of this
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going forward that is the essential
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problem
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of president trump right now today
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and with that brad because gary asked
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the question that i think everybody has
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okay you answered it intelligence and
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evidence
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not in the legal senate evidence but the
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facts are known
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people are known the process is known
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well all right nobody’s going to come
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forth
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can do any senators have the ability
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right now to bring anything forth
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is there a possibility is there a
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possibility
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that the president yet today could
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declassify certain bits of information
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and bring it forward as an example
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because here we are wouldn’t it be
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terrible
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to lose our republic because information
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is available
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and certain people just choose to refuse
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to act upon it
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yes and i i don’t know what information
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the president
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has uh now it’s it’s also been revealed
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in the last couple of days in a number
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of ways on twitter
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some comments the president has made and
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a different some different press
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releases that have come out of people
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who have
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indeed talked to the president so the
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president is fully aware of of this
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italian
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mi6 state department cia uh
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uh information that’s out there he is
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aware of it what can be done i i just
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don’t know
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uh if there’s classified information you
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know i don’t have access to that anymore
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because it’s 22 hours
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i’m not sure but i will say the
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president has given orders to the cia to
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declassify some information and release
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it
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and according to reporting by the
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federalist society who’s been dead on
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this stuff for a long time
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it is being blocked personally by the
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by gina haspel who’s the director of the
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cia
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so if if if things are as we believe
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them to be
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gina haspel would be part of that
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activist group of people who’s
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who’s personally stepping in to make
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sure that this information that would
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come out in support of the president is
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blocked
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so it’s it’s that that would make her
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part of this precise problem
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and certainly that’s what we’ve seen out
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of the fbi and doj and the others it’s
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just
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there is nobody in authority who’s in
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position
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to move this forward and get the
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information out he’s willing to
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do it and it’s because of this dislike
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distrust hatred of president trump so
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the i’m not even sure how to describe it
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politely here on the parade
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well i’m going to describe it this way
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it’s treason uh i’ve
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taken the oath many times of all and uh
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and when someone violates their oath
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that’s exactly what it is by definition
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now the question is
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at this juncture the courts have refused
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to get involved
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they have not permitted the the
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presenting of the evidence that
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is there now it comes to senate now
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comes to congress
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and perhaps involvement of the state
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legislatures
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that is an unusual in either way it
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looks to me
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like a bumpy ride these next few weeks
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do you
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i i couldn’t agree more and i i’m um
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i’m not optimistic about what’s going to
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happen today
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unfortunately the numbers on both the
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senate and house side
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by patriots who want to do the right
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thing it’s just too small
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and the democrats with nancy pelosi
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control the house and just for example
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she’s only giving them an hour for
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debate of this entire topic and out of
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that
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hour they’re going to be required to
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give part of that hour to
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other congressmen who don’t even believe
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that there’s any
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uh any irregularities in the voting so
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the people the patriots who want to talk
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about this probably at best they’re
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going to get a half hour to talk about
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this on their head and that is uh that
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is outrageous brad
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thank you for being with us ladies and
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gentlemen intel
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reform.org intelrem.org
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that’s the site for fountain for
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americans for intelligence reform
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brad johnson thank you so much for being
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with us today
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um ladies and gentlemen we’ve gotta pray
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we have to pray
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for what is unfolding stay with us we’ll
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