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Barry Webb on reformation of Islam series

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Barry web it is August 29th and today is

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the first day of a new series examining

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some of the various organized splinters

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offshoots sex from Islam where there

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must suddle variations may lead to an

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understanding of subtle differences in

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the extent to or the way in which they

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are dangerous I’m looking forward to

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just go right ahead okay tonight what I

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want to do just give our listeners kind

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of a brief introduction into some of

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these movements I’ll start with the

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earliest one and that is the so called

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Wahhabi cult which began in central

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arabia in 1745 actually might say it

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actually a little bit earlier because

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the founder of this cult Muhammad bin

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Abdul Wahab was actually he was born in

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1703 I think it was and by the time he

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was in his 20s which would be you know

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ascendant the 1720s he was already

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writing his religious excuse me his

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religious books expressing his opinions

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on now totally the unity of Allah all

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that stuff so that was actually the

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beginning of that movement that it

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didn’t really gain any traction in the

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region there should be in the what they

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call mine edge to central Arabia region

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he actually lived in a valley yeah

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whadya honey for just north of what is

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now modern-day Riyadh but I really began

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to take off in 1745 because at that time

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Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab made a

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historical deal with a ruler of a small

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town in the what if an ephah I called ed

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area and the ruler of that town was a

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person named Muhammad bin Saud which of

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course marks the beginning of the Saudi

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dynasty Saudi la made was that

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henceforth all of the religious leader

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we come from the descendants of Muhammad

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bin Abdul Wahab and all of the political

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leaders of that region would become

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would come from the descendants of

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Muhammad bin Saud and once having made

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that agreement they both begin now they

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joined together to to you know

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proselytize the strict version of Islam

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that Muhammad bin Wahab taught coupled

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with military jihad against those who

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didn’t you know go along with it now he

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he believed that he didn’t preach them

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the intervertebral isn’t it we see later

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his main goal seems to have been to

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purify Islam from within in other words

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two arias Lama sighs all of the

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so-called Islamic societies what you

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might call a reformer yes yeah very good

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way to put it

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yeah that’s written yes that the Greeks

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have bailed because you know today a lot

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of people are talking about Islamic

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Reformation what if Islam has already

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been reformed and I think that was the

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first I started with with Muhammad bin

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Abdul Wahab and his movement and he was

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Sunni of course and his writings had a

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lot of influence on Sayyad Gupta and

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Hassan al-banna and formation in the

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Muslim Brotherhood okay I did a

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comparative study on say at the bukuvu

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Muhammad bin Wahab and they’re almost

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identical

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he was even some of the same words in

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Arabic in describing out the necessity

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of jihad and the importance of you guys

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why which are the race for the purpose

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of booty and spreading Allah’s word okay

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I can’t think of any other weapon there

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really isn’t much to recommend it most

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people not that many people I think

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would convert to

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unless the choice was that or death or

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slavery yeah we’ve had a lot of people

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in the West that are doing you exactly

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that but anyway that’s just a brief

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introduction of the Wahhabi doctrine

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we’ll get into that more detail in

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future discussions the next one I want

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to bring up is the duo bandy cult which

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began almost in the same time as the

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Wahhabis 1747 Apple I think was the date

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they got started and they rose out there

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rose up primarily as a reaction to the

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British takeover of India so it was more

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of a nationalist movement at first than

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it was any concept of Universal jihad

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you know across the planet that was to

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come later now another important figure

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that came out of Pakistan is a fella

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named matt duty who is contemporaneous

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with hassan al-banna and say a pool

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table and the doom and ease and amount

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of duties by the way also Rajah and most

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of Pakistan ashiya it smell duty and

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that’s where I have a Koran that’s

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translated by Maya duty would that be

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the same fella

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probably yes yes yes he spoke English

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like yes because this is a mau d Koran

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yeah it’s it’s a really quite a good one

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at seven it doesn’t pull any punches

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pretty straightforward yes yeah and he

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believed in you for spreading Islam

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around the world he in fact he believes

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that the entire universe and everything

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in it is a Muslim by the even the

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planets and the rocks in the rivers

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everything because they are obeying a

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laws divine law therefore by definition

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Muslim the only entities in the entire

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universe that aren’t Muslim are us go

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far oh well I guess that makes their job

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pretty straightforward now the Deobandi

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other people have told me they are one

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of the absolute nastiest sects of Islam

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is that is that consistent with what you

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know about them and do bandy teachings

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yeah now I don’t know they were

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primarily uh nationalists and their goal

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was independence from Great Britain now

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this is my duty character that I

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mentioned he was like service

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contemporaneous with shit go to band

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hustla bana and they have changed idea

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so his ideology is basically the same as

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the Muslim Brotherhood he also taught at

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some of the Deobandi schools so he had a

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lot of influence on the Deobandi

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movement now

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when the Brits pulled out of India and

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they initiated their Commonwealth ideas

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from had anyone who lived in what was

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once part of the British Empire could

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yeah but they were pretty citizens good

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and could move to the British Isles know

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that eh yeah without you know being

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considered to be foreign immigrants

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whatnot and so a lot of these do panties

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and ended up in the UK and then

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subsequently in Canada in the United

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States as well now over time like I said

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they picked up my bootys teachings which

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were virtually identical to say kudos

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and hustla bana so well they originally

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coded CUDA site could have broke among

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other things milestones which is

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credited as being the inspiration for

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the creation of the reformist movement

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the Muslim Brotherhood is that about

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right well actually no hustle Obama

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actually created levels of brotherhood

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in 1928 say a blue table did not become

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the Muslim Brotherhood member until 1951

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after he had returned for the United

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States that’s when he became a

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fundamentalist began studying Islam and

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and the Brotherhood he joined the

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Brotherhood then and he wrote a lot of

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other works of course but his major work

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is one called

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in Erik Fievel – on which means in the

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shade of

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go on and it’s a huge multi-volume

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Exorcist

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of the entire Quran every single verse

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of a con and the the then later after

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God of prison he wrote their wife said

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when I was in prison he wrote what part

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of then it was published you know later

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because he died in prison actually their

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so-called milestones or signposts along

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the road was a summary of the larger

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work under the shade of the Quran and so

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I think it’s a larger work that actually

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had the influence on modern jihadi

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groups not just the Brotherhood but all

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of you know like the wild had a nice is

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all Shia all boxes me all Sunni all

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modern Sunni terrorist groups have

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gotten their information from safe food

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tube and his writings and what what

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other sort of splinter groups I mean I

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think it’s important that people get to

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know these names of these groups so that

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when they they they can be a little less

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easily fooled when they hear oh no this

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sector these guys are great they really

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this was the real Islam they believed in

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you know meditation and there we go as

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long as the rent Aslam of muhammad bin

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Wahab say abdullah saleh bana and my

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duty that is the real wa sallam oh I got

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a couple more points I want to make and

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we mentioned how a while hasil baños and

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Gupta were influenced by Muhammad bin

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Wahab said Cordoba Hassan al-banna were

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also influenced by mount duty and vice

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versa so in a sense Muhammad bin muhabba

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also indirectly influenced my duty and

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therefore the Deobandi cult also because

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the the hope a Pakistani boom

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fundamentalist movements have been

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influenced by that trend and all the and

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the Saudis of course financed a lot of

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the Deobandi schools the dural no loom

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throughout Pakistan Reis up until

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shortly after 9/11

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so there are a lot of interchanges there

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a lot of interplay a lot of mutual

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influences and one more key key one is

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that how many the Shia Khomeini was

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heavily influenced by my duty even

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though being a she

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I said well I mean I the distinction

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between Sunnis and Shias from a

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non-muslim point of view is there’s no

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daylight between them it’s I mean you

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know for them that it’s it’s it’s a

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little I mean even it’s lilliputian

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would be fair I mean one cracks the I

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get too big and the other cracks yeah

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get the little end so yeah there’s a

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minor differences and you know some

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minor details but it terms of jihad and

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the need to spread Islam around the

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world by the force it possible or by

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persuasion and a filtration and the

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force isn’t this or they’re all in a

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corn on that for sure so

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