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Barry Webb retired NSA Arabist and
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Arabic translator and while it’s been
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important for a long time but never been
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more important than now we see that
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turkey yellow turkey isn’t technically
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an Arab nation it seems like the
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beginning of the aggressive push for a
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new caliphate is on massive things
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happening into Syria is there a chance
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we can get Iran and Turkey to cancel
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each other out why don’t you tell us
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what’s going on there first just to
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bring everyone up to date on what’s
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going on what’s going on on the ground
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there in Turkey the first thing that
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happened after we announced our pull out
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is that the YPG Kurds that we had been
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supporting have out of necessity allied
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themselves with the Assad regime in
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Damascus and apparently this deal was
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worked out with the blessings of the
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Russians and the Syrian army then in
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conjunction with the YPG have moved into
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some of the areas in northern Syria that
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Turkey had captured previously such as
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if rain and mend beds and more recently
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kobani which which is actually north of
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Euphrates and there are rumors that the
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Russians are have been operating you
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know with them in this now the Turks
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originally announced that all they
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wanted was a security zone of some 25
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miles into Syria but reports out of a
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party of TV today is that the Turks have
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pushed a hundred kilometers into a Syria
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which would be about 60 miles so they’re
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they’re trying to bite off more than
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they said they were going to Risley
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up until now they’ve left kobani
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untouched now to bring people’s you know
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memory up up to speed on what they on
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the
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the importance of kobani co-manage again
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like I said is north of the afraid ease
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but it’s right on the border between
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Syria and Turkey now if you remember a
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few years back when the Islamic state
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was at its peak of strength they had
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besieged the city of kobani and had even
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taken part of it but the people rallied
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and heroically they fought them off
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women everyone you know it got armed in
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Isis and they fought him off and they
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won you know the praise of the world for
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doing this and then subsequently the
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city the entire city combined it’s
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mostly Kurds but also some Arabs that
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are there they were there Muslims but
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they recognized in Isis there the real
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the true Islam and so they converted in
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mass no pun intended to Christianity
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now when the Syrian forces the Mossad
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the Assad forces moved in to kobani to
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secure it a couple of days ago the Turks
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at first said they were okay with that
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and okay with the Assad regime taking
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over every NAND midship also in which
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our south and west of Euphrates but they
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have there were areas that Turkey had
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recently taken over that they were okay
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with that but there’s a report coming
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out today
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that the Turkish army is now moving
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towards kobani
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now that’s true we’re looking at a
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really horrendous bloodbath because not
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only are these people a Muslim Kurds but
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the fact that they they converted if
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they left Islam and converted to another
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religion that’s the death warrant so
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lots of reports have lots of reports
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have the the Turks fighting right
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alongside it’s ly McStay guys chant with
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the allahu akbar x’ and the same toyota
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trucks that they used the beginning of
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the establishment of the Islamic state
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in fact it’s it’s just deja vu
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2014 I think it was there’s all those
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convoys of these weird brown matching
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Toyota trucks full of guys with light
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and medium machine guns and going
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through the desert and now it seems that
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turkeys with those exact same guys in
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those same configurations and I mean I
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guess the question is are is Iran gonna
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object to them taking so much of Syria
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which is I think it ran fuses as a proxy
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state for that the area that Turkey is
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moving into the Iranians probably would
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have no objection what the Iranians want
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out of Syria is a direct beeline to to
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Lebanon in the Mediterranean Sea and
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from what I’ve previously reports they
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pretty much have that with the ten two
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thousand three one hundreds of thousands
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according to some reports of Iranians
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that they already have in Syria and I
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dug up a report from 2017 from Elsa’s
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era where the Turks and the Iranians
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sign an agreement that they both
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together want to wipe out the curves so
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as long as Turkey is wiping out Kurds
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the Iranians have no objection because
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they have Kurdish minority in the north
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north part of their country – well the
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Syrians have been committed
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you know waging sort of low-intensity
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genocide against the Kurds now for well
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least ten years I’ve probably a lot
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longer than that well as long as I’ve
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been following all this stuff the Turks
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have been making up excuses in terms
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using kind of leftist linguistic tricks
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are arguably two key Islamic linguistic
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tricks to redefine what Kurds are in
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order to justify going after them
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currently as terrorists but but that the
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Turks have been going into Kurdish
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villages and slaughtering people under
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the guise of whatever whatever they want
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invent for them so it seems to me that
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this has been an ongoing thing by turkey
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for quite a while yeah you you person
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thought you said the Syrian slogan
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Kurt’s gonna kind of threw me because
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the YPG the the branch of the Kurds that
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we’ve been supporting that we’re
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fighting with us against Isis have been
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very careful throughout the entire Arab
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Spring and revolt against asset they’ve
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been very careful not to pick a fight
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with the SADS forces because they felt
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it someday in the future they might have
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to make amends and that that day has
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come
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that’s why it was easy for them to for
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them and the Damascus government to get
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back together yeah yeah going back to I
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mean as far as the Turks are concerned I
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mean they’ve been after the Kurds for
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you know hundreds of years really you’ve
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got to come back all the way yeah and
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you know while we’re at it going back to
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kobani again when that horrendous battle
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is taking place between Isis and the
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people of kobani where they’re fighting
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for their survival the Turkish army was
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right across the border and not only did
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they not lend a hand to help the pur
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folks of kobani but they were egging on
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the the terrorists yelling Allahu Akbar
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no stuff and getting the medical you
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know treatment when needed and yeah
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you’re right I mean Turkey has been on
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the side of Isis from the word go in
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fact I’ve always considered and you in
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my book I mentioned this that Isis was
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actually a an arm of Turkey’s foreign
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policy and the Turks helped in a
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previous interview you had said that
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al-qaradawi
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is I guess the the Muslim Brotherhood
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spiritual leader had declared that air
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Dewan is in fact the Caliph and the
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leader of the new Caliphate so I mean it
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shouldn’t be that surprising that he’s
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working so closely with the Islamic
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state but also that that it was Turkish
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journalists and border guards that had
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busted
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the other parts of the Turkish state for
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smuggling huge amounts of ordnance and
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weapons and and field medicine and so on
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and so on up to Islamic state fighters
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although they claimed it was for the
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Turkmen but you know yeah right yeah and
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they were all solely the oil that the
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Islamic state stole from Surrey and also
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areas of Iraq when they were when they
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were there that it was the Turks that
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bought the oil from Isis and then sold
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it on the black market
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on behalf of Isis in fact of two sons
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over two and then were involved in the
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in that teal so yeah the Russians busted
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that the Russians did press conferences
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where they revealed I think phone calls
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between air to one’s kids and and its
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landing state leaders for oil deals if I
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remember right yes so so we have that
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going on and then like I mentioned the
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last interview the Kurds yet because
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they’ll be impressed by the Turks have
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pulled all of their guards oh wait you
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know off of the these camps were the
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Isis prisoners were being held and so
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now we have more Isis people running
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free throughout the region the people of
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course are blaming the effect Qatari and
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turkeys propaganda is saying that the
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Kurds have freed the Islamic state they
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didn’t do it intentionally
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they left their post but they had to
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make a choice because Isis is going to
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kill a few people here and there but the
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Turkish army is about genocide of the
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entire Kurdish race so they had to make
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a choice you know Rudy fight and so they
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put all of the resources into the fight
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against the Turks so what’s gonna I mean
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is there anything to stop Turkey cuz we
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all get that president Trump has decided
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to quit being an intermediary between
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endless endless Middle Eastern conflicts
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and I can I think that there’s certainly
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some sound reasons for like can’t say I
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don’t understand
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but what do you think the Russians are
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gonna come in and support the Syrian
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Kurds or support Syria in somewhere what
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what what is there to stop turkey from
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re-establishing a Caliphate it’s been
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the only thing right now that could stop
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turkey from us now this indicate of fate
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is the Russians and one more news item
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that has developed recently also is that
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the Arab League has of course condemned
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the Turkish invasion of Syria and have
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now led diplomatic and political support
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to the Damascus regime even though many
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of these countries like Saudi Arabia etc
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had been supporting rebel groups against
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the Assad regime because of its
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connections with Iran but certain hip so
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we have this big switch going on and
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alliances and so and the Russia of
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course Putin now this past couple of
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days has been visiting Saudi Arabia and
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the UAE and Israel so you know of course
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who now wants to open up better
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relations with all of these Middle
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Eastern countries particularly Arabs of
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which there’s you know two or three
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hundred million of them to sell you know
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weapons and grain and etc so Putin now
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has to make a choice does he maintain
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his bromance with her to an or does he
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side with the Arabs and the Syrian State
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against the Turks and my guess is that
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push come to shove he’s going to pick
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the latter because for a couple of
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reasons Turkey of course is Russia’s
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excuse me most ancient and traditional
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enemy going back 800 years and bottom
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line is Russia really has more there’s
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more interest you know with with 200 or
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300 million Arabs then there is with a
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80 million uh Turks and expat Turks are
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a giant thorn in the side of everywhere
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to establish themselves since they
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always see them so I mean looking the
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gray wolves things crazy but it was also
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wasn’t that long ago where I think it
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was an Ankara there was an attack on an
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airport and that came shortly after that
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Turks downed Soviet aircraft so Soviet
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military brushin forgot which decade
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this was Russian military aircraft and
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it sure looked like that attack although
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it was a jihadi attack it seemed to be
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from the former Soviet states so it
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looked to me at least like that attack
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on I think Ankara airport they JIT
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attacked it did a lot of damage killed a
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lot of people and probably cost him a
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lot of tourist revenue that that that
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attack was retaliatory by Putin using
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because I mean it’s not unusual for the
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Russians to use their own jetties right
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that’s been going on a while and for
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those downed Russian military aircraft
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and then we also never heard Russia
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speak about that again so I mean I can
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see whether it be some it’d be difficult
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to establish a trusting relationship I
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guess yeah I’m not sure which you said
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which decade but the only Russian
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aircraft I can think of that went down
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was a Russian fighter bomber in 2015 I
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think that’s why dr. Putin into this war
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that’s what I’m thinking of it was yes
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yeah what Putin – Putin when Putin and
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entered the war the first thing he did
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was to do what Obama refused to do and
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this was to go after the oil resources
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of Isis because that’s their main source
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of funding so he had bombed an oil
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installation of Isis in the nurlan Syria
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summer maybe southern Iraq but in order
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for the jet to get there it had to cross
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a tiny sliver of Turkish territory and
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was all the way back after having this
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you know bombed the site is when the
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Turks took out the Russian aircraft
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wasn’t over really you know Soviet era
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aircraft because the Russians weren’t
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expecting any yeah
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he never serious dogfight
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and that theater vote the Turks had at
0:15:22.900,0:15:31.720
15 and 16 so they took it down and yeah
0:15:30.160,0:15:34.090
the Russians really peeved about that
0:15:31.720,0:15:37.270
and the Russian general wrote a white
0:15:34.090,0:15:42.130
paper about how Russian could take
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turkey down and yeah I don’t recall the
0:15:42.130,0:15:50.590
the Arab League attacked against the
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airport in Turkey but there were surely
0:15:50.590,0:15:56.110
after there that there was a Russian
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ambassador in Turkey that was giving a
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speech at and so an art museum and a
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member of ruins personal security guard
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walked out onstage and Charlie killed it
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right on stage that’s right I’d
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forgotten about that that was all around
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the same time so there’s yeah I mean I I
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think there’s probably some some
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percolating mistrust there between goes
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back 800 years of when the Mongols
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invaded Russia from the Far East they
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had a second prong that came up through
0:16:28.770,0:16:33.790
areas that Turkey had recently conquered
0:16:31.240,0:16:35.730
in in Asia Minor the Turks gave him a
0:16:33.790,0:16:39.240
free pass to go out to the Russians and
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then since then you know when the Turks
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established their auto in April they
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started showing up parts of Russian
0:16:43.270,0:16:48.220
territory they took the Crimea and most
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of what is now the core of the Ukraine
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and you know parts of southern Russia –
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so and then this has been going back and
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forth you know ever since said for
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hundreds of years so yeah the blood is
0:17:00.070,0:17:05.140
percolating the only reason your Putin
0:17:02.560,0:17:07.120
an arrow and pretending to be you know
0:17:05.140,0:17:09.610
brothers and arms but I it’s just
0:17:07.120,0:17:13.500
superficial and I think Putin has been
0:17:09.610,0:17:18.189
playing this game in an attempt to woo
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we’re doing turkey out of NATO and you
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know my view is I don’t have it
0:17:20.860,0:17:25.689
turkey is nothing but a it’s an
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albatross our neck right now the only
0:17:25.689,0:17:30.010
the only reason I can imagine what
0:17:27.339,0:17:31.750
they’re still in there’s that that NATO
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specifically the United States must
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figure that it’s better for them to have
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a base right in the middle
0:17:35.060,0:17:40.040
Oh Turkey then it is not too so they
0:17:37.850,0:17:42.430
probably I’m guessing that they’re
0:17:40.040,0:17:44.660
probably members of NATO and name only
0:17:42.430,0:17:46.430
Barry Webb thank you very much I think
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that’s quite a good update and because
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we’re gonna a lot a lot a lot a lot is
0:17:49.490,0:17:54.080
going on I think the funniest thing if
0:17:51.620,0:17:56.420
in as much as funny things can happen in
0:17:54.080,0:17:59.630
situations like this is when ABC was
0:17:56.420,0:18:01.310
busted today using fake footage of a
0:17:59.630,0:18:03.710
firing range of military range I think
0:18:01.310,0:18:06.350
in Kentucky which they claimed was
0:18:03.710,0:18:10.040
actually Turkish fight the Turks firing
0:18:06.350,0:18:10.940
on a on a Kurdish village I have no idea
0:18:10.040,0:18:13.460
what they would have done that when
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there’s real footage of exactly’s real I
0:18:13.460,0:18:17.540
have one more comment about that you
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just mentioned the basic yeah we have an
0:18:17.540,0:18:23.360
eastern turkey humor Baraka no three
0:18:19.850,0:18:27.230
when you know when Bush went into Iraq
0:18:23.360,0:18:29.960
the Turks forbid us to use that airbase
0:18:27.230,0:18:32.240
so we never just could not take off from
0:18:29.960,0:18:35.000
that airbase we had to go on the other
0:18:32.240,0:18:39.010
way now and one more point on this is
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that we have 50 nuclear bombs in Turkey
0:18:39.010,0:18:44.960
and there are speculations and some of
0:18:42.770,0:18:48.860
the media that early when it could hold
0:18:44.960,0:18:50.360
these nukes hostage you know for some
0:18:48.860,0:18:51.920
reason I had the impression that the
0:18:50.360,0:18:54.860
United States had yanked him out when
0:18:51.920,0:18:57.530
there was an attack on the base but what
0:18:54.860,0:18:59.900
was made to look like a bunch of you
0:18:57.530,0:19:01.940
know sort of Turkish patriotic zealots
0:18:59.900,0:19:05.270
but it actually was probably on
0:19:01.940,0:19:06.950
uniformed military personnel they set
0:19:05.270,0:19:10.010
fires around the base and did some other
0:19:06.950,0:19:11.750
things I kind of imagined at that point
0:19:10.010,0:19:14.650
that the US would probably just pulled
0:19:11.750,0:19:17.090
our nukes out of there we should we
0:19:14.650,0:19:19.310
should have pulled that base out and
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re-establish that somewhere else and
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Iraqi Kurdistan or you know Saudi Arabia
0:19:23.060,0:19:27.410
UAE or someplace
0:19:24.500,0:19:30.200
yes sir or else fuck yeah Israel would
0:19:27.410,0:19:32.270
be good or else just focus on carriers
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again thanks very much Barry Webb we’ll
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be talking again next Tuesday
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