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Brad Johnson, President, and retired CIA Senior Officer and Chief of Staff. Insight into current events from an intelligence angle.

Barry Webb, very interesting update of Turkish propaganda and goals

https://youtu.be/olvA0I8-5ZA

For the entire transcript of this interview, please continue reading.

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Barry Webb former a retired NSA Arabist

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and translator it’s a great opportunity

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I think for all of us to get a chance to

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hear directly what about some of these

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important geopolitical things not to

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mention the the encroachment of Islam on

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Western civilization from somebody with

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experience like yours and you were going

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to talk about turkeys push for offshore

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oil which sounds like quite a threat to

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the people who probably actually

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technically own those waters would that

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be right

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yeah that is correct before I get into

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that I want to go back a little bit to

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North Africa and a sense the whole

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Islamic world has though Spain admit

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turkey their urban lands ambition to

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reestablish this you know the Ottoman

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Empire in the Caliphate is actions in

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that direction are not limited to

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supporting Isis and other terrorist

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movements or at the Siraj government in

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Libya and overt military actions and

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support and whatnot he’s using soap

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operas as a very subtle technique for

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seducing the populations of the Islamic

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world he has for example he is but

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Turkish companies have hired Arabic

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speaking actors and actresses to act out

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stories you know soap operas based on

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the glory days of the Ottoman Empire and

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then they beam these into the Arabic

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speaking countries

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and I I bred an Egyptian editorial

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several months ago about that were they

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pointed that out as one of her big lands

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very subtle techniques for seducing you

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know the Islamic populations into

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glorifying this mythological past of the

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Ottoman Empire and longing for it they

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identify with these see all the

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characters in the soap operas are taken

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from you

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Ottoman history and so the idea is to

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get Islamic people to identify with all

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these various characters you know like

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like Americans did with Dallas on a

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previous decade now here’s a funny thing

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I was watching this TV show that comes

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on a Friday night called Kalia Alayna

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which means leave it to us it’s on

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station that’s caters to Egyptians and

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it’s kind of a variety show and the host

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would bring out either singers or actors

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actresses whatnot and Bishop Schatz may

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miss the music you know stuff like that

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and this one night they had she had on

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the host had this actress from Tunisia

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on and she write all right I came out

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right out and said that she had been

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acting in one of these Turkish you know

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Ottoman Empire soap operas that was her

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gig and she didn’t think anything of it

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you know told me the oblivious about the

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overall political implication to us it

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was a just a game for her so but and

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they’re doing this not the turks are

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doing this not only to the arab arab

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speaking populations but they have

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similar around a broadcast similar raw

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soap operas where they hire art of

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speaking actors actresses or pass

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through speaking actress actresses and

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maybe do the whole skit and then

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broadcast that into afghanistan pakistan

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etc they do this throughout the entire

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Islamic world you seen actors and

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actresses that speak the language of

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that area and the whole idea like I said

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is to seduce these populations into

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idolizing this mythological past so what

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they’ll be more welcome to the idea of

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bringing the Ottoman Empire back oh wow

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so if I I mean I’m actually kind of

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gobsmacked here what you’re saying is

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that air diwan’s

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Turkey has made a series of propaganda

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TV shows formatted like a soap opera

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intended to romanticize

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the era of the Ottoman Empire

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in order to get people to be receptive

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to it when obviously everyone plans to

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try to bring it back yeah exactly I wish

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I wonder if Vlad Tepes has a role there

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because you know maybe they need a

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reminder impaling a few Ottomans there

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they’re always work it wasn’t always fun

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and games for those guys when they were

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invading without robbing and pillaging

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other countries and taking their

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children as Janissaries interesting

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divya have you had a chance to see any

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of these no I haven’t no I’ve just read

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about them and then heard this one

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actress talking about it you know said

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you know she thought nothing of it it’s

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just a gig for include stuff about the

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Janissaries in that oh well if they did

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they would do it in a very positive way

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I mean this is you know the apologist

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answer to that is that these Christian

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families willingly gave up their their

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sons because they knew that they would

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have such a fantastic life you know and

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prestige not working for the Empire and

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actually this is this is taught in

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university Middle Eastern Studies

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classes that way I’m surprised CC allows

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this to be broadcast to Egypt or does he

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well he’s you know what was that again I

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miss producer say I’m kind of surprised

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at LCCC would allow these things to be

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broadcast in Egypt or does he well he

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everything editorials are constantly

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complaining about Egyptian brought I

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mean Turkish broadcast being bayman it

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beamed into Egypt I think I mentioned in

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a previous interview that there’s some

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something like 2,000 Muslim Brotherhood

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media personnel that reside in Turkey

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you know and they’re making up all kinds

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of propaganda stuff not on these soap

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operas but also news reports and stuff

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like that they beam into Egypt over the

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internet you know radio satellite TV etc

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so you know obviously I mean that’s

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we’re not getting this information but

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obviously Turkey is preparing for

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another Ottoman phase and that you know

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here Dhawan is what his worst critic

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States a Diaz yeah hey what what I’m

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trying to get at I guess the point I’m

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trying to make is that he’s working on

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several different levels you know it’s

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not just the the military level like

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he’s doing in North Syria and northern

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Iraq or the sporty of terrorism level

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like he’s doing in Libya it’s you know

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psychological it’s communications the

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media and even soap operas just every

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level that he can think of to try to

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resurrect this thing which brings us to

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the drilling of the oil off the coast of

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Cypress Sierra when thinks his basic you

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know a belief is that every square inch

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of territory that the Ottoman Empire

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once ruled is by rights his well now

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correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that

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an inherently Islamic idea that any

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territory that’s been Islamic at some

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point is a perpetuity yes legally

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Islamic yes

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yeah and that’s if so Turkey carries had

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over but they’ve also added a

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nationalistic element to it if you need

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to go back to 1974 long before her dough

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and you know when Turkey was a loyal

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NATO ally in 1974 we had another

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president that was involved in

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investigations and a Beechmont talk so

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what a turkey to Cyprus at that time is

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all Greek with a minority of Turks

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scattered hair there the Turks invaded

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Cyprus tried to take whole thing over

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and they ended up showing off the

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northern one-fourth of the country

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exterminating and raping Christians near

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right and left in the process and there

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are local are loyal NATO ally so anyway

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they consider almost I percent away

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reading to be rightfully Ottoman Empire

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territory so we have a right to drill

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full of oil anywhere we want to in that

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sphere of interest but the Greek Cypriot

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government says oh no that’s our intern

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ask

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recognize territorial waters now this

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conflict which has actually been going

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on for a couple of years has led to a

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quasi alliance between Egypt Israel

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Greece and Cyprus oh now I know that is

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real a number of years ago now so quite

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a few years ago but I really was doing

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exercises where there Air Force was

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flying in notice Greek and Cypriot

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airspace I mean what was speculated to

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be rehearsals for a potential attack on

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Iran since the distance of these

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exercises were precisely Israel to Iran

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using using Creek airspace so that’s

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interesting that and it’s a very it

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would be very natural alliance wouldn’t

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it yes yes even though Egypt like each

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of them is what used to be enemies but

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you know when you when you have a common

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enemy Indian you know the enemy of my

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enemy because my friend

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and there are at least less problematic

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than our joint enemy yeah and addition

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to those four countries a number of

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Balkan countries of Eastern Orthodox

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beings are interested in joining that

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alliance to like Romania and Serbia

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interesting so and what is just drilling

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already taking place is there anything

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in the in the world court about it is

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there like on the TV I’ve seen a picture

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of an oil oil rig out there no I’m not

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sure how far along this project is go on

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but I know that you Egypt in israel and

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greece cyprus are you know complaining

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up the kazoo but it might take more than

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a book and then complaints so that’s

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gonna be no they’re interesting dispute

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to watch well indeed thank you very much

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for that update you know what that was

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very informative thank you very much

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