As New Zealand shifts quickly to the left, their loyalty to the mission of the 5 Eyes intelligence agreement is now questionable. Brad Johnson, former Senior CIA Operative and President of Americans for Intelligence Reform, explains why 5 Eyes isn’t viable – at least in the short term. (5 Eyes includes the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.)
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Brad Johnson it is July 2 of 2020 and I
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understand there’s been some changes in
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policy in the way that the New Zealand
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government does things which you know
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I’m gonna guess not knowing what you’re
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gonna say is going to be pointing the
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direction that all New Zealand changes
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are which is a toward Islam and toward
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socialism communism and moving away from
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anything like Western liberal democracy
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and self-rule so what is the story there
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yes New Zealand
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what’s interesting out of this is as you
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point out New Zealand has been shifting
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particularly since the 90s
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more to the left and so the government
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that’s installed there now is far more
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leftist than it was back in those days
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in the 90s so what they’ve done now is
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leaked some information it’s kind of
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interesting and what they’re saying is
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that under pressure from the UK England
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and the United States the mi6 and CIA
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respectively that they were put under a
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lot of pressure from the New Zealand
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intelligence service to do what we term
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I mean the determining intelligence
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report they did is a surreptitious entry
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and well they’re saying is that they
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broke into three other embassies were
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mentioned and this is back in the 80s
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through maybe getting close to 2000 or
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so right in the early 2000s and the
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embassies that they mentioned were
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Czechoslovakia so this is back you know
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that before the you know I think it was
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right after the breakup of the Soviet
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Union or right at that time where they
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were going back in to take a look at
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what then Czechoslovakia was doing they
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were they went into the Indian embassy
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to get code materials to photograph it
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so that they could decipher
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communications that were going on in
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place listening devices inside and Iran
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I believe was the third country that
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they that they named don’t homing to
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that one but if memory serves it was
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Iran that was the third one and so what
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they’re doing now with this leak is sort
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of condemning past things and warning
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these some of these people on the left
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which with them they’re more friendly
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now and are
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to disparage the former more
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Conservative government’s that were in
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power or in New Zealand prior to that
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now number of problems with this the
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information is old enough that let’s
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take for example the one the most
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details were provided on the break-in to
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the Indian Embassy where they would have
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got encode material and place listening
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devices most of that would be you know
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out of date now and these codes change
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over time and things like that so it’s
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it’s probably not useful so not not
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doing a lot of harm at this point one of
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the other interesting factors out of all
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of this and perhaps one of the reasons
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that they’re coming out of this is that
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let’s not forget that the head of the
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Canadian intelligence service within the
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real mountain The Canadian Mounted
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Police it’s the intelligence agents
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agency resides within the Mounted Police
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but the guy that was the head of that
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was arrested for spying for the Cheney’s
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and that was over a long period of time
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so all of this information would have
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already been out and leaked through him
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because he would have been aware of
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these things because this was something
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done by the five eyes organization of
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which Canada United States New Zealand
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Australia and the UK are all part so
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this would have been shared among them
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so the Chinese would have already been
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aware with it not not that they would
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have shared it with the Indians because
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they’re not they’re not very friendly
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with them but certainly they would have
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shared it with the Iranians and the
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Czechoslovakia thing I mean that
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governments long gone so not there but
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if there was anything of significance
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about this it was already leaked at
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least to the Chinese so was I think the
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most significant out of it is kind of
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what you pointed out to begin with which
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it shows how far New Zealand has gone I
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think overall one of the things that we
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have to consider at this point my fear
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out of seeing something like this
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precise report is what this means to the
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overall structure of five eyes five ice
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was something that for a long time was
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significant and capable and was sort of
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a mini you know international
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Intelligence Agency you know that they
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were it wasn’t a hundred percent
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cooperation on everything but it’s very
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good cooperation on a lot of stuff
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and I think now with Canada having been
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you know pretty much you know working
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against five eyes through its spy and
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this is not the first problem Canada’s
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had ken has had a series of problems
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with their participation in five eyes
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and certainly the current Prime Minister
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Trudeau is not a big fan of these sorts
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of things because he’s essentially very
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leftist and not you know more
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he’s more pro China than he is pro u.s.
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so this isn’t really something that
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would appeal to him and now with New
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Zealand having gone kind of that way
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enough to the laughs that they’re
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starting to blow the old secrets and
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stuff you have New Zealand and Kent and
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at the very least that their reliability
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has to be questioned and so Australia
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different they recognize a lot of the
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problems there’s political strife there
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too but Australia recognizes the
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problems of China more readily than say
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Canada and New Zealand apparently and UK
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has got its own problems so they’re kind
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of stressed as a partner in this
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although they they’re more positive so
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you know is it is just something boiling
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down to the US and Australia okay maybe
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I I don’t know but my fear out of all of
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this like I said the bottom line fear
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out of all of this is that a the utility
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of five eyes is so badly damaged that it
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probably won’t recover in and you know
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and in the short term even the medium
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turn and maybe it’s damaged so badly
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that it’s just going to slowly fading
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away and no longer be a viable
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organization or a viable cooperation
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among those five countries so that’s my
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worry out of it and and there’s a lot of
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things starting to add up that make me
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really question just how viable five
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eyes will be in the at least a short
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term thank you very much Brad Johnson I
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think that Canada could still be
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considered reliable just in the opposite
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way that it was reliable for who then
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yeah
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you
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