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welcome I’m Sam Faddis this is and
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welcome I’m Sam Faddis this is and
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welcome I’m Sam Faddis this is and
magazines ground truth today we’re
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magazines ground truth today we’re
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magazines ground truth today we’re
picking up where we left off with Brad
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picking up where we left off with Brad
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picking up where we left off with Brad
Johnson last time the first part of our
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Johnson last time the first part of our
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Johnson last time the first part of our
discussion with him was really sort of
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discussion with him was really sort of
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discussion with him was really sort of
focused on the intelligence community
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focused on the intelligence community
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focused on the intelligence community
and what’s wrong we’ll call that the
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and what’s wrong we’ll call that the
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and what’s wrong we’ll call that the
problem segment segment two here we’re
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problem segment segment two here we’re
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problem segment segment two here we’re
gonna try to talk about how we fix this
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gonna try to talk about how we fix this
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gonna try to talk about how we fix this
what’s the way forward to rehash or to
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what’s the way forward to rehash or to
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what’s the way forward to rehash or to
remind everybody mr. Johnson is a
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remind everybody mr. Johnson is a
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remind everybody mr. Johnson is a
retired CIA operations officer case
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retired CIA operations officer case
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retired CIA operations officer case
officer what everybody else in the world
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officer what everybody else in the world
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officer what everybody else in the world
would call spook senior officer been
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would call spook senior officer been
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would call spook senior officer been
chief of stationed abroad expert in
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chief of stationed abroad expert in
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chief of stationed abroad expert in
pretty much every tradecraft skill you
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pretty much every tradecraft skill you
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pretty much every tradecraft skill you
could identify surveillance counter
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could identify surveillance counter
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could identify surveillance counter
surveillance etc these days keeps busy
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surveillance etc these days keeps busy
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surveillance etc these days keeps busy
as president of Americans for
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as president of Americans for
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as president of Americans for
intelligence reform he’s also a
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intelligence reform he’s also a
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intelligence reform he’s also a
commentator writer with epic times which
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commentator writer with epic times which
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commentator writer with epic times which
if you’re not familiar with that
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if you’re not familiar with that
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if you’re not familiar with that
publication is superb and on air with
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publication is superb and on air with
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publication is superb and on air with
one America news network talking
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one America news network talking
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one America news network talking
national security issues Brad welcome
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national security issues Brad welcome
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national security issues Brad welcome
Sam so great to speak with you again so
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Sam so great to speak with you again so
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Sam so great to speak with you again so
as you heard in the intro there you know
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as you heard in the intro there you know
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as you heard in the intro there you know
the first segment is you and I kind of
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the first segment is you and I kind of
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the first segment is you and I kind of
kicking around a whole litany of
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kicking around a whole litany of
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kicking around a whole litany of
problems that we have with the
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problems that we have with the
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problems that we have with the
intelligence community today it’s kind
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intelligence community today it’s kind
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intelligence community today it’s kind
of like okay so we got these problems so
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of like okay so we got these problems so
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of like okay so we got these problems so
what do we do going forward what are
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what do we do going forward what are
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what do we do going forward what are
your thoughts why don’t you kick us off
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your thoughts why don’t you kick us off
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your thoughts why don’t you kick us off
what’s the way ahead look like sure let
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what’s the way ahead look like sure let
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what’s the way ahead look like sure let
me kind of start at the top with some of
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me kind of start at the top with some of
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me kind of start at the top with some of
the problems we’ll kind of work our way
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the problems we’ll kind of work our way
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the problems we’ll kind of work our way
down as sure and the smaller solutions
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down as sure and the smaller solutions
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down as sure and the smaller solutions
that will help one of the problems is
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that will help one of the problems is
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that will help one of the problems is
that you have mission creep and you’ve
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that you have mission creep and you’ve
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that you have mission creep and you’ve
got it so many agencies have now been
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got it so many agencies have now been
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got it so many agencies have now been
become involved in inductance and
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become involved in inductance and
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become involved in inductance and
there’s as I said there’s always a
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there’s as I said there’s always a
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there’s as I said there’s always a
mission creep and bloating that starts
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mission creep and bloating that starts
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mission creep and bloating that starts
to take place that is part of the
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to take place that is part of the
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to take place that is part of the
problem that’s part of the cause of some
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problem that’s part of the cause of some
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problem that’s part of the cause of some
of these issues that we’ve been having
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of these issues that we’ve been having
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of these issues that we’ve been having
and it’s one of those things that has
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and it’s one of those things that has
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and it’s one of those things that has
also been weaponized for example when at
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also been weaponized for example when at
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also been weaponized for example when at
NSC which became wildly bloated during
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NSC which became wildly bloated during
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NSC which became wildly bloated during
the Obama year as soon as they knew that
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the Obama year as soon as they knew that
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the Obama year as soon as they knew that
President Trump elect Trump had been you
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President Trump elect Trump had been you
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President Trump elect Trump had been you
know was going to win and going to take
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know was going to win and going to take
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know was going to win and going to take
office they started a hiring frenzy and
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office they started a hiring frenzy and
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office they started a hiring frenzy and
filled NSC with their cronies and people
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filled NSC with their cronies and people
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filled NSC with their cronies and people
that they considered politically
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that they considered politically
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that they considered politically
reliable which is part of why is so
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reliable which is part of why is so
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reliable which is part of why is so
politicised today and why it’s been used
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politicised today and why it’s been used
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politicised today and why it’s been used
to attack president Trump over and over
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to attack president Trump over and over
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to attack president Trump over and over
and over and part of the you know a real
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and over and part of the you know a real
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and over and part of the you know a real
serious problem out of that sort of
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serious problem out of that sort of
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serious problem out of that sort of
thing is that now you’ve got a President
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thing is that now you’ve got a President
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thing is that now you’ve got a President
of the United States that knows he can’t
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of the United States that knows he can’t
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of the United States that knows he can’t
trust his intelligence community and
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trust his intelligence community and
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trust his intelligence community and
that’s where we find tell so that’s
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that’s where we find tell so that’s
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that’s where we find tell so that’s
dangerous area to be in where the
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dangerous area to be in where the
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dangerous area to be in where the
president knows he cannot trust his
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president knows he cannot trust his
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president knows he cannot trust his
intelligence community and the people
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intelligence community and the people
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intelligence community and the people
advising him on national security
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advising him on national security
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advising him on national security
intelligence issues
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intelligence issues
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intelligence issues
so this bloating of the agencies is part
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so this bloating of the agencies is part
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so this bloating of the agencies is part
of the weaponization process we’ve seen
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of the weaponization process we’ve seen
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of the weaponization process we’ve seen
something similar at DNI where it’s been
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something similar at DNI where it’s been
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something similar at DNI where it’s been
widely reported it went from what was
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widely reported it went from what was
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widely reported it went from what was
supposed to very few you know dozens
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supposed to very few you know dozens
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supposed to very few you know dozens
maybe a couple hundred people to
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maybe a couple hundred people to
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maybe a couple hundred people to
thousands where we find ourselves today
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thousands where we find ourselves today
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thousands where we find ourselves today
and it’s brought up by new news who’s
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and it’s brought up by new news who’s
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and it’s brought up by new news who’s
mentioned this publicly maybe two or
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mentioned this publicly maybe two or
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mentioned this publicly maybe two or
four days ago talked about how bloated
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four days ago talked about how bloated
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four days ago talked about how bloated
it had become and oversized now along
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it had become and oversized now along
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it had become and oversized now along
those lines one of the things I think we
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those lines one of the things I think we
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those lines one of the things I think we
should start to scale back I personally
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should start to scale back I personally
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should start to scale back I personally
if the president calls in an ask for
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if the president calls in an ask for
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if the president calls in an ask for
advice this is what I would be telling
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advice this is what I would be telling
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advice this is what I would be telling
him right now one of the things he
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him right now one of the things he
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him right now one of the things he
should look at he’s starting to combine
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should look at he’s starting to combine
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should look at he’s starting to combine
some of these things up because the
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some of these things up because the
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some of these things up because the
mission creep has created so much
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mission creep has created so much
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mission creep has created so much
overlap we just didn’t mean to all of
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overlap we just didn’t mean to all of
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overlap we just didn’t mean to all of
these people doing so many different
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these people doing so many different
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these people doing so many different
things one of the things I would look at
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things one of the things I would look at
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things one of the things I would look at
right away is the Central Intelligence
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right away is the Central Intelligence
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right away is the Central Intelligence
Agency was originally planned to be that
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Agency was originally planned to be that
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Agency was originally planned to be that
very thing this central office where
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very thing this central office where
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very thing this central office where
analysis could come in and be done for
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analysis could come in and be done for
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analysis could come in and be done for
the United States of America Central
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the United States of America Central
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the United States of America Central
analysis processing office central and
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analysis processing office central and
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analysis processing office central and
agency and that has just got been
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agency and that has just got been
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agency and that has just got been
absorbed by different people and used
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absorbed by different people and used
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absorbed by different people and used
and duplicated and all these things so
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and duplicated and all these things so
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and duplicated and all these things so
many times I personally would like to
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many times I personally would like to
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many times I personally would like to
see all of that basically a lot of what
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see all of that basically a lot of what
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see all of that basically a lot of what
was supposed to be analysis that was
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was supposed to be analysis that was
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was supposed to be analysis that was
created under the 9/11 Commission DHS
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created under the 9/11 Commission DHS
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created under the 9/11 Commission DHS
and all of the different agencies D&I
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and all of the different agencies D&I
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and all of the different agencies D&I
get combined into the CIA for analysis
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get combined into the CIA for analysis
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get combined into the CIA for analysis
and analysis only so the DNI I would
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and analysis only so the DNI I would
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and analysis only so the DNI I would
take him put his seat in the CIA orders
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take him put his seat in the CIA orders
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take him put his seat in the CIA orders
building in McLean Virginia and absorb
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building in McLean Virginia and absorb
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building in McLean Virginia and absorb
all of that in and reduce it if I’ll
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all of that in and reduce it if I’ll
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all of that in and reduce it if I’ll
point out to the CIA has gone on a
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point out to the CIA has gone on a
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point out to the CIA has gone on a
hiring frenzy of late they were already
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hiring frenzy of late they were already
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hiring frenzy of late they were already
wildly bloated and now they’re hiring
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wildly bloated and now they’re hiring
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wildly bloated and now they’re hiring
again it at a prodigious rate and I
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again it at a prodigious rate and I
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again it at a prodigious rate and I
think there’s good reasons why I think
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think there’s good reasons why I think
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think there’s good reasons why I think
they see things that are coming in so
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they see things that are coming in so
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they see things that are coming in so
they want to fill the ranks with people
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they want to fill the ranks with people
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they want to fill the ranks with people
that they consider political
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that they consider political
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that they consider political
reliable and that’s why we’re seeing
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reliable and that’s why we’re seeing
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reliable and that’s why we’re seeing
that happen because it looks like when
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that happen because it looks like when
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that happen because it looks like when
the US Attorney Durham report comes out
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the US Attorney Durham report comes out
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the US Attorney Durham report comes out
that US Attorney General Bart and
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that US Attorney General Bart and
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that US Attorney General Bart and
they’re putting together about a lot of
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they’re putting together about a lot of
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they’re putting together about a lot of
the cocoon that’s taking place the FISA
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the cocoon that’s taking place the FISA
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the cocoon that’s taking place the FISA
warrant and all of those things that
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warrant and all of those things that
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warrant and all of those things that
touches on the intelligence community
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touches on the intelligence community
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touches on the intelligence community
that FISA warrant is this handshake
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that FISA warrant is this handshake
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that FISA warrant is this handshake
between intelligence and law enforcement
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between intelligence and law enforcement
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between intelligence and law enforcement
and so it’s half going to fall on the
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and so it’s half going to fall on the
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and so it’s half going to fall on the
shoulders of intelligence so I think
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shoulders of intelligence so I think
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shoulders of intelligence so I think
they anticipate problems in that area
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they anticipate problems in that area
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they anticipate problems in that area
and that’s why they’re doing a lot of
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and that’s why they’re doing a lot of
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and that’s why they’re doing a lot of
this bloating hiring of people so I
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this bloating hiring of people so I
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this bloating hiring of people so I
think that’s one of the things you start
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think that’s one of the things you start
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think that’s one of the things you start
to combine down into fewer agencies and
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to combine down into fewer agencies and
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to combine down into fewer agencies and
reduce the number of personnel because
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reduce the number of personnel because
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reduce the number of personnel because
some of those are going to be duplicated
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some of those are going to be duplicated
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some of those are going to be duplicated
especially at the top so that would be
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especially at the top so that would be
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especially at the top so that would be
one of the things I would start to do
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one of the things I would start to do
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one of the things I would start to do
now I would remove completely operations
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now I would remove completely operations
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now I would remove completely operations
and take it completely out and create a
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and take it completely out and create a
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and take it completely out and create a
separate agency that does operations and
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separate agency that does operations and
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separate agency that does operations and
only operations the CIA was founded on
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only operations the CIA was founded on
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only operations the CIA was founded on
the premise of keeping those things
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the premise of keeping those things
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the premise of keeping those things
separate and the fact that they have now
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separate and the fact that they have now
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separate and the fact that they have now
are combined and overlapped and there’s
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are combined and overlapped and there’s
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are combined and overlapped and there’s
really no distinction
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really no distinction
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really no distinction
there’s no operations cadre in this as
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there’s no operations cadre in this as
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there’s no operations cadre in this as
it once existed it’s sort of one size
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it once existed it’s sort of one size
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it once existed it’s sort of one size
fits all anybody can apply for any job
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fits all anybody can apply for any job
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fits all anybody can apply for any job
sometimes an analyst still get it
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sometimes an analyst still get it
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sometimes an analyst still get it
sometimes people that are supposed to be
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sometimes people that are supposed to be
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sometimes people that are supposed to be
operations people get it just vary so
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operations people get it just vary so
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operations people get it just vary so
widely that you just you lose that
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widely that you just you lose that
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widely that you just you lose that
pipeline of training to create
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pipeline of training to create
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pipeline of training to create
operational expertise and and let me
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operational expertise and and let me
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operational expertise and and let me
just say having come from all of that
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just say having come from all of that
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just say having come from all of that
being familiar and having been trained
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being familiar and having been trained
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being familiar and having been trained
in inducted denied area a dangerous area
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in inducted denied area a dangerous area
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in inducted denied area a dangerous area
all of these types of operations isn’t
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all of these types of operations isn’t
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all of these types of operations isn’t
something you go learn in a two-week
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something you go learn in a two-week
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something you go learn in a two-week
course and you can just get anybody to
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course and you can just get anybody to
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course and you can just get anybody to
go do it even within the operations
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go do it even within the operations
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go do it even within the operations
cadres it used to exist there were
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cadres it used to exist there were
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cadres it used to exist there were
certain people that just happen to have
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certain people that just happen to have
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certain people that just happen to have
that knack and certain people did not
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that knack and certain people did not
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that knack and certain people did not
even among case officers so it’s just
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even among case officers so it’s just
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even among case officers so it’s just
not something where a one-size-fits-all
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not something where a one-size-fits-all
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not something where a one-size-fits-all
solution will work that that’s a formula
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solution will work that that’s a formula
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solution will work that that’s a formula
for getting people killed which is what
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for getting people killed which is what
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for getting people killed which is what
it’s doesn’t you know of course we don’t
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it’s doesn’t you know of course we don’t
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it’s doesn’t you know of course we don’t
hear about those sorts of things but
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hear about those sorts of things but
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hear about those sorts of things but
that’s the type of thing that I believe
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that’s the type of thing that I believe
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that’s the type of thing that I believe
is Glan in the background so to recreate
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is Glan in the background so to recreate
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is Glan in the background so to recreate
that operations agency that does that
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that operations agency that does that
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that operations agency that does that
that begins to bring trust back into the
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that begins to bring trust back into the
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that begins to bring trust back into the
analytical product which is the
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analytical product which is the
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analytical product which is the
reporting the work the finished
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reporting the work the finished
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reporting the work the finished
intelligence that goes to
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intelligence that goes to
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intelligence that goes to
decision-makers because you don’t want
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decision-makers because you don’t want
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decision-makers because you don’t want
analysts going out overseas developing
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analysts going out overseas developing
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analysts going out overseas developing
their own sources because who are they
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their own sources because who are they
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their own sources because who are they
going to rely upon in the information
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going to rely upon in the information
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going to rely upon in the information
when their back to the you know
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when their back to the you know
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when their back to the you know
some things and that’s gonna be the
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some things and that’s gonna be the
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some things and that’s gonna be the
sources that they know it’s what we
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sources that they know it’s what we
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sources that they know it’s what we
would call you know being Wed to your
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would call you know being Wed to your
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would call you know being Wed to your
source and you want analysts to be a
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source and you want analysts to be a
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source and you want analysts to be a
separate from that so they have
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separate from that so they have
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separate from that so they have
absolutely no preconceived notion no
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absolutely no preconceived notion no
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absolutely no preconceived notion no
ideas of adding greater emphasis to one
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ideas of adding greater emphasis to one
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ideas of adding greater emphasis to one
source over another so that they can
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source over another so that they can
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source over another so that they can
take all sources balance them as best
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take all sources balance them as best
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take all sources balance them as best
they can as to who’s been more accurate
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they can as to who’s been more accurate
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they can as to who’s been more accurate
in the past and those sorts of things to
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in the past and those sorts of things to
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in the past and those sorts of things to
weigh the information and a completely
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weigh the information and a completely
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weigh the information and a completely
neutral unbiased fashion so that they
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neutral unbiased fashion so that they
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neutral unbiased fashion so that they
produce best product at the end of the
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produce best product at the end of the
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produce best product at the end of the
day they give to decision-makers to the
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day they give to decision-makers to the
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day they give to decision-makers to the
leadership of the United States of
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leadership of the United States of
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leadership of the United States of
America both Congress and in the
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America both Congress and in the
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America both Congress and in the
executive the press so once you start
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executive the press so once you start
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executive the press so once you start
combining those two things up you start
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combining those two things up you start
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combining those two things up you start
to degrade that information and this is
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to degrade that information and this is
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to degrade that information and this is
what we’ve seen happen it’s greatly
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what we’ve seen happen it’s greatly
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what we’ve seen happen it’s greatly
degraded it’s very political now it’s
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degraded it’s very political now it’s
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degraded it’s very political now it’s
weaponized it’s used for all sorts of
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weaponized it’s used for all sorts of
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weaponized it’s used for all sorts of
things it was never ever intended to be
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things it was never ever intended to be
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things it was never ever intended to be
so I think it’s extraordinarily
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so I think it’s extraordinarily
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so I think it’s extraordinarily
important that those things be separated
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important that those things be separated
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important that those things be separated
back out I would even say penny one want
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back out I would even say penny one want
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back out I would even say penny one want
to read back following World War two as
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to read back following World War two as
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to read back following World War two as
these decisions were laid into place as
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these decisions were laid into place as
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these decisions were laid into place as
to who does what what powers everyone
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to who does what what powers everyone
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to who does what what powers everyone
knew that espionage is an important
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knew that espionage is an important
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knew that espionage is an important
powerful thing needed but it also
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powerful thing needed but it also
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powerful thing needed but it also
represents a danger and now initially
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represents a danger and now initially
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represents a danger and now initially
the FBI very badly under J Edgar Hoover
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the FBI very badly under J Edgar Hoover
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the FBI very badly under J Edgar Hoover
wanted to have all of that espionage
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wanted to have all of that espionage
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wanted to have all of that espionage
under his control and have what is
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under his control and have what is
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under his control and have what is
essentially today the CIA also be part
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essentially today the CIA also be part
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essentially today the CIA also be part
of the FBI now everyone recognized that
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of the FBI now everyone recognized that
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of the FBI now everyone recognized that
that was too much power in too few hands
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that was too much power in too few hands
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that was too much power in too few hands
and of course J Edgar Hoover according
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and of course J Edgar Hoover according
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and of course J Edgar Hoover according
to what was written about him today was
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to what was written about him today was
455
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to what was written about him today was
quite the little guy that liked the
456
00:08:10,840 –> 00:08:10,850
quite the little guy that liked the
457
00:08:10,850 –> 00:08:12,640
quite the little guy that liked the
blackmail based on information he had in
458
00:08:12,640 –> 00:08:12,650
blackmail based on information he had in
459
00:08:12,650 –> 00:08:14,740
blackmail based on information he had in
his hands so everyone can see that was
460
00:08:14,740 –> 00:08:14,750
his hands so everyone can see that was
461
00:08:14,750 –> 00:08:16,870
his hands so everyone can see that was
what the KGB was in the old days it was
462
00:08:16,870 –> 00:08:16,880
what the KGB was in the old days it was
463
00:08:16,880 –> 00:08:19,420
what the KGB was in the old days it was
both law enforcement on a domestic stage
464
00:08:19,420 –> 00:08:19,430
both law enforcement on a domestic stage
465
00:08:19,430 –> 00:08:22,150
both law enforcement on a domestic stage
and espionage across the world so that’s
466
00:08:22,150 –> 00:08:22,160
and espionage across the world so that’s
467
00:08:22,160 –> 00:08:24,610
and espionage across the world so that’s
just so much power in so few hands and I
468
00:08:24,610 –> 00:08:24,620
just so much power in so few hands and I
469
00:08:24,620 –> 00:08:26,350
just so much power in so few hands and I
point out that part of I think while
470
00:08:26,350 –> 00:08:26,360
point out that part of I think while
471
00:08:26,360 –> 00:08:27,790
point out that part of I think while
were in trouble today with all the
472
00:08:27,790 –> 00:08:27,800
were in trouble today with all the
473
00:08:27,800 –> 00:08:30,390
were in trouble today with all the
political corruption is from the FBI
474
00:08:30,390 –> 00:08:30,400
political corruption is from the FBI
475
00:08:30,400 –> 00:08:33,520
political corruption is from the FBI
having eventually taken upon itself with
476
00:08:33,520 –> 00:08:33,530
having eventually taken upon itself with
477
00:08:33,530 –> 00:08:34,900
having eventually taken upon itself with
this mission creep and things I’m
478
00:08:34,900 –> 00:08:34,910
this mission creep and things I’m
479
00:08:34,910 –> 00:08:36,490
this mission creep and things I’m
talking about those powers so
480
00:08:36,490 –> 00:08:36,500
talking about those powers so
481
00:08:36,500 –> 00:08:39,250
talking about those powers so
essentially the FBI is divided into two
482
00:08:39,250 –> 00:08:39,260
essentially the FBI is divided into two
483
00:08:39,260 –> 00:08:41,050
essentially the FBI is divided into two
parts the larger of the two is the
484
00:08:41,050 –> 00:08:41,060
parts the larger of the two is the
485
00:08:41,060 –> 00:08:42,790
parts the larger of the two is the
criminal division which everyone expects
486
00:08:42,790 –> 00:08:42,800
criminal division which everyone expects
487
00:08:42,800 –> 00:08:44,830
criminal division which everyone expects
that’s what the FBI is supposed to do so
488
00:08:44,830 –> 00:08:44,840
that’s what the FBI is supposed to do so
489
00:08:44,840 –> 00:08:46,870
that’s what the FBI is supposed to do so
the smaller one is the CI
490
00:08:46,870 –> 00:08:46,880
the smaller one is the CI
491
00:08:46,880 –> 00:08:48,730
the smaller one is the CI
counterintelligence division which is
492
00:08:48,730 –> 00:08:48,740
counterintelligence division which is
493
00:08:48,740 –> 00:08:51,220
counterintelligence division which is
essentially an espionage organization
494
00:08:51,220 –> 00:08:51,230
essentially an espionage organization
495
00:08:51,230 –> 00:08:53,230
essentially an espionage organization
much like the CIA it has a little bit
496
00:08:53,230 –> 00:08:53,240
much like the CIA it has a little bit
497
00:08:53,240 –> 00:08:56,110
much like the CIA it has a little bit
greater emphasis on CI counter-intel
498
00:08:56,110 –> 00:08:56,120
greater emphasis on CI counter-intel
499
00:08:56,120 –> 00:08:58,090
greater emphasis on CI counter-intel
because it also does protective
500
00:08:58,090 –> 00:08:58,100
because it also does protective
501
00:08:58,100 –> 00:09:00,250
because it also does protective
intelligence operations in the United
502
00:09:00,250 –> 00:09:00,260
intelligence operations in the United
503
00:09:00,260 –> 00:09:02,260
intelligence operations in the United
States against foreign powers operating
504
00:09:02,260 –> 00:09:02,270
States against foreign powers operating
505
00:09:02,270 –> 00:09:04,000
States against foreign powers operating
here so it’s got a little bit different
506
00:09:04,000 –> 00:09:04,010
here so it’s got a little bit different
507
00:09:04,010 –> 00:09:06,340
here so it’s got a little bit different
flavor but they also run proactive
508
00:09:06,340 –> 00:09:06,350
flavor but they also run proactive
509
00:09:06,350 –> 00:09:09,130
flavor but they also run proactive
intelligence gathering operations just
510
00:09:09,130 –> 00:09:09,140
intelligence gathering operations just
511
00:09:09,140 –> 00:09:12,010
intelligence gathering operations just
like the CIA does again often based here
512
00:09:12,010 –> 00:09:12,020
like the CIA does again often based here
513
00:09:12,020 –> 00:09:13,780
like the CIA does again often based here
in the United States but they also have
514
00:09:13,780 –> 00:09:13,790
in the United States but they also have
515
00:09:13,790 –> 00:09:15,760
in the United States but they also have
a lot of guys that are posted overseas
516
00:09:15,760 –> 00:09:15,770
a lot of guys that are posted overseas
517
00:09:15,770 –> 00:09:18,550
a lot of guys that are posted overseas
for the FBI and that’s the legal attache
518
00:09:18,550 –> 00:09:18,560
for the FBI and that’s the legal attache
519
00:09:18,560 –> 00:09:20,380
for the FBI and that’s the legal attache
is office league at office so they’ve
520
00:09:20,380 –> 00:09:20,390
is office league at office so they’ve
521
00:09:20,390 –> 00:09:22,510
is office league at office so they’ve
created them this organisation within
522
00:09:22,510 –> 00:09:22,520
created them this organisation within
523
00:09:22,520 –> 00:09:24,250
created them this organisation within
the organization that’s an intelligence
524
00:09:24,250 –> 00:09:24,260
the organization that’s an intelligence
525
00:09:24,260 –> 00:09:27,070
the organization that’s an intelligence
organization so again just as we saw at
526
00:09:27,070 –> 00:09:27,080
organization so again just as we saw at
527
00:09:27,080 –> 00:09:29,019
organization so again just as we saw at
the end of World War two that’s too much
528
00:09:29,019 –> 00:09:29,029
the end of World War two that’s too much
529
00:09:29,029 –> 00:09:31,030
the end of World War two that’s too much
power in too few hands and we this is
530
00:09:31,030 –> 00:09:31,040
power in too few hands and we this is
531
00:09:31,040 –> 00:09:33,070
power in too few hands and we this is
where we’ve seen that abuse come from I
532
00:09:33,070 –> 00:09:33,080
where we’ve seen that abuse come from I
533
00:09:33,080 –> 00:09:34,780
where we’ve seen that abuse come from I
would argue to everyone that the way
534
00:09:34,780 –> 00:09:34,790
would argue to everyone that the way
535
00:09:34,790 –> 00:09:36,790
would argue to everyone that the way
though fiesel laws were written for
536
00:09:36,790 –> 00:09:36,800
though fiesel laws were written for
537
00:09:36,800 –> 00:09:38,530
though fiesel laws were written for
example are good they’re fine I
538
00:09:38,530 –> 00:09:38,540
example are good they’re fine I
539
00:09:38,540 –> 00:09:40,510
example are good they’re fine I
personally don’t see any problems with
540
00:09:40,510 –> 00:09:40,520
personally don’t see any problems with
541
00:09:40,520 –> 00:09:42,040
personally don’t see any problems with
it and I’ve been involved in things that
542
00:09:42,040 –> 00:09:42,050
it and I’ve been involved in things that
543
00:09:42,050 –> 00:09:44,230
it and I’ve been involved in things that
have to do with Phi so many times for
544
00:09:44,230 –> 00:09:44,240
have to do with Phi so many times for
545
00:09:44,240 –> 00:09:46,269
have to do with Phi so many times for
various different reasons but the
546
00:09:46,269 –> 00:09:46,279
various different reasons but the
547
00:09:46,279 –> 00:09:48,100
various different reasons but the
problem came when you had if you look
548
00:09:48,100 –> 00:09:48,110
problem came when you had if you look
549
00:09:48,110 –> 00:09:49,840
problem came when you had if you look
back at the people involved like Peter
550
00:09:49,840 –> 00:09:49,850
back at the people involved like Peter
551
00:09:49,850 –> 00:09:52,780
back at the people involved like Peter
struck Peter struck was the guy who was
552
00:09:52,780 –> 00:09:52,790
struck Peter struck was the guy who was
553
00:09:52,790 –> 00:09:55,360
struck Peter struck was the guy who was
the head of that CI division within the
554
00:09:55,360 –> 00:09:55,370
the head of that CI division within the
555
00:09:55,370 –> 00:09:57,460
the head of that CI division within the
FBI and through this process of
556
00:09:57,460 –> 00:09:57,470
FBI and through this process of
557
00:09:57,470 –> 00:10:00,930
FBI and through this process of
collusion at leadership of FBI and DOJ
558
00:10:00,930 –> 00:10:00,940
collusion at leadership of FBI and DOJ
559
00:10:00,940 –> 00:10:03,250
collusion at leadership of FBI and DOJ
that’s where you saw this political
560
00:10:03,250 –> 00:10:03,260
that’s where you saw this political
561
00:10:03,260 –> 00:10:05,500
that’s where you saw this political
corruption take off so again now if that
562
00:10:05,500 –> 00:10:05,510
corruption take off so again now if that
563
00:10:05,510 –> 00:10:07,780
corruption take off so again now if that
had been a separate agency I think you
564
00:10:07,780 –> 00:10:07,790
had been a separate agency I think you
565
00:10:07,790 –> 00:10:09,310
had been a separate agency I think you
would have seen laughs oh I would maybe
566
00:10:09,310 –> 00:10:09,320
would have seen laughs oh I would maybe
567
00:10:09,320 –> 00:10:12,699
would have seen laughs oh I would maybe
even consider having that di part I I
568
00:10:12,699 –> 00:10:12,709
even consider having that di part I I
569
00:10:12,709 –> 00:10:14,500
even consider having that di part I I
think this would be very difficult to do
570
00:10:14,500 –> 00:10:14,510
think this would be very difficult to do
571
00:10:14,510 –> 00:10:15,790
think this would be very difficult to do
but it would be one of the things with
572
00:10:15,790 –> 00:10:15,800
but it would be one of the things with
573
00:10:15,800 –> 00:10:17,140
but it would be one of the things with
it would need to be laid out on the
574
00:10:17,140 –> 00:10:17,150
it would need to be laid out on the
575
00:10:17,150 –> 00:10:18,910
it would need to be laid out on the
board and at least considered as having
576
00:10:18,910 –> 00:10:18,920
board and at least considered as having
577
00:10:18,920 –> 00:10:20,680
board and at least considered as having
some portion of those intelligence
578
00:10:20,680 –> 00:10:20,690
some portion of those intelligence
579
00:10:20,690 –> 00:10:23,530
some portion of those intelligence
operations also split off from the FBI
580
00:10:23,530 –> 00:10:23,540
operations also split off from the FBI
581
00:10:23,540 –> 00:10:25,960
operations also split off from the FBI
and be joined into the operations the
582
00:10:25,960 –> 00:10:25,970
and be joined into the operations the
583
00:10:25,970 –> 00:10:27,970
and be joined into the operations the
new operations agency that I would put
584
00:10:27,970 –> 00:10:27,980
new operations agency that I would put
585
00:10:27,980 –> 00:10:29,769
new operations agency that I would put
out there so you know kind of an overall
586
00:10:29,769 –> 00:10:29,779
out there so you know kind of an overall
587
00:10:29,779 –> 00:10:31,780
out there so you know kind of an overall
organization of things I think that’s
588
00:10:31,780 –> 00:10:31,790
organization of things I think that’s
589
00:10:31,790 –> 00:10:34,030
organization of things I think that’s
the basic track we would need to look at
590
00:10:34,030 –> 00:10:34,040
the basic track we would need to look at
591
00:10:34,040 –> 00:10:36,460
the basic track we would need to look at
kind of shrinking down some of these
592
00:10:36,460 –> 00:10:36,470
kind of shrinking down some of these
593
00:10:36,470 –> 00:10:38,620
kind of shrinking down some of these
things and getting rid of a lot of the
594
00:10:38,620 –> 00:10:38,630
things and getting rid of a lot of the
595
00:10:38,630 –> 00:10:41,829
things and getting rid of a lot of the
overlap starting to try to fence in
596
00:10:41,829 –> 00:10:41,839
overlap starting to try to fence in
597
00:10:41,839 –> 00:10:44,170
overlap starting to try to fence in
these organizations into their real
598
00:10:44,170 –> 00:10:44,180
these organizations into their real
599
00:10:44,180 –> 00:10:46,780
these organizations into their real
house for what they do to fight back
600
00:10:46,780 –> 00:10:46,790
house for what they do to fight back
601
00:10:46,790 –> 00:10:48,340
house for what they do to fight back
against this mission creep so we don’t
602
00:10:48,340 –> 00:10:48,350
against this mission creep so we don’t
603
00:10:48,350 –> 00:10:50,350
against this mission creep so we don’t
have seven or eight or ten agencies
604
00:10:50,350 –> 00:10:50,360
have seven or eight or ten agencies
605
00:10:50,360 –> 00:10:52,630
have seven or eight or ten agencies
overlapping efforts and in so many areas
606
00:10:52,630 –> 00:10:52,640
overlapping efforts and in so many areas
607
00:10:52,640 –> 00:10:54,910
overlapping efforts and in so many areas
I mean it’s very offensive way to do it
608
00:10:54,910 –> 00:10:54,920
I mean it’s very offensive way to do it
609
00:10:54,920 –> 00:10:57,190
I mean it’s very offensive way to do it
of course for anyone who’s like a normal
610
00:10:57,190 –> 00:10:57,200
of course for anyone who’s like a normal
611
00:10:57,200 –> 00:10:59,290
of course for anyone who’s like a normal
person if I may know who hasn’t worked
612
00:10:59,290 –> 00:10:59,300
person if I may know who hasn’t worked
613
00:10:59,300 –> 00:11:01,120
person if I may know who hasn’t worked
in the swamp and the federal government
614
00:11:01,120 –> 00:11:01,130
in the swamp and the federal government
615
00:11:01,130 –> 00:11:03,370
in the swamp and the federal government
for decades it’s hard to understand how
616
00:11:03,370 –> 00:11:03,380
for decades it’s hard to understand how
617
00:11:03,380 –> 00:11:05,050
for decades it’s hard to understand how
the government is but nobody cares about
618
00:11:05,050 –> 00:11:05,060
the government is but nobody cares about
619
00:11:05,060 –> 00:11:07,780
the government is but nobody cares about
expense and nobody cares about budget
620
00:11:07,780 –> 00:11:07,790
expense and nobody cares about budget
621
00:11:07,790 –> 00:11:09,130
expense and nobody cares about budget
and those sorts of things only you know
622
00:11:09,130 –> 00:11:09,140
and those sorts of things only you know
623
00:11:09,140 –> 00:11:09,940
and those sorts of things only you know
at the end of the year
624
00:11:09,940 –> 00:11:09,950
at the end of the year
625
00:11:09,950 –> 00:11:11,800
at the end of the year
you’re making sure you have spent all
626
00:11:11,800 –> 00:11:11,810
you’re making sure you have spent all
627
00:11:11,810 –> 00:11:13,480
you’re making sure you have spent all
your budget so your budget doesn’t get
628
00:11:13,480 –> 00:11:13,490
your budget so your budget doesn’t get
629
00:11:13,490 –> 00:11:15,070
your budget so your budget doesn’t get
cut the following year so I mean it’s
630
00:11:15,070 –> 00:11:15,080
cut the following year so I mean it’s
631
00:11:15,080 –> 00:11:17,140
cut the following year so I mean it’s
just the way of government it cannot
632
00:11:17,140 –> 00:11:17,150
just the way of government it cannot
633
00:11:17,150 –> 00:11:20,260
just the way of government it cannot
police itself on budget issues is just
634
00:11:20,260 –> 00:11:20,270
police itself on budget issues is just
635
00:11:20,270 –> 00:11:22,690
police itself on budget issues is just
incapable and almost everyone in
636
00:11:22,690 –> 00:11:22,700
incapable and almost everyone in
637
00:11:22,700 –> 00:11:24,130
incapable and almost everyone in
government they ever worked in
638
00:11:24,130 –> 00:11:24,140
government they ever worked in
639
00:11:24,140 –> 00:11:26,170
government they ever worked in
government so there’s just you don’t
640
00:11:26,170 –> 00:11:26,180
government so there’s just you don’t
641
00:11:26,180 –> 00:11:28,060
government so there’s just you don’t
have that private sector experience
642
00:11:28,060 –> 00:11:28,070
have that private sector experience
643
00:11:28,070 –> 00:11:30,220
have that private sector experience
where people come in and and look at it
644
00:11:30,220 –> 00:11:30,230
where people come in and and look at it
645
00:11:30,230 –> 00:11:31,540
where people come in and and look at it
and go wait a minute this is you’re
646
00:11:31,540 –> 00:11:31,550
and go wait a minute this is you’re
647
00:11:31,550 –> 00:11:33,460
and go wait a minute this is you’re
pissing money down the drain right over
648
00:11:33,460 –> 00:11:33,470
pissing money down the drain right over
649
00:11:33,470 –> 00:11:34,870
pissing money down the drain right over
here you shouldn’t be doing it that way
650
00:11:34,870 –> 00:11:34,880
here you shouldn’t be doing it that way
651
00:11:34,880 –> 00:11:36,280
here you shouldn’t be doing it that way
we should be doing it this way they just
652
00:11:36,280 –> 00:11:36,290
we should be doing it this way they just
653
00:11:36,290 –> 00:11:37,990
we should be doing it this way they just
don’t have that built into the system
654
00:11:37,990 –> 00:11:38,000
don’t have that built into the system
655
00:11:38,000 –> 00:11:40,090
don’t have that built into the system
and there’s no way to bring in really a
656
00:11:40,090 –> 00:11:40,100
and there’s no way to bring in really a
657
00:11:40,100 –> 00:11:43,120
and there’s no way to bring in really a
watchdog way to keep government lean and
658
00:11:43,120 –> 00:11:43,130
watchdog way to keep government lean and
659
00:11:43,130 –> 00:11:44,860
watchdog way to keep government lean and
mean I mean everyone tries to reform it
660
00:11:44,860 –> 00:11:44,870
mean I mean everyone tries to reform it
661
00:11:44,870 –> 00:11:46,540
mean I mean everyone tries to reform it
but it’s just not capable so that’s why
662
00:11:46,540 –> 00:11:46,550
but it’s just not capable so that’s why
663
00:11:46,550 –> 00:11:48,360
but it’s just not capable so that’s why
I would push the limiting of
664
00:11:48,360 –> 00:11:48,370
I would push the limiting of
665
00:11:48,370 –> 00:11:49,960
I would push the limiting of
responsibilities for all of the
666
00:11:49,960 –> 00:11:49,970
responsibilities for all of the
667
00:11:49,970 –> 00:11:51,940
responsibilities for all of the
different agencies to try to get rid of
668
00:11:51,940 –> 00:11:51,950
different agencies to try to get rid of
669
00:11:51,950 –> 00:11:53,560
different agencies to try to get rid of
as much of that overlap as we can
670
00:11:53,560 –> 00:11:53,570
as much of that overlap as we can
671
00:11:53,570 –> 00:11:55,000
as much of that overlap as we can
because you’re paying for the same thing
672
00:11:55,000 –> 00:11:55,010
because you’re paying for the same thing
673
00:11:55,010 –> 00:11:56,800
because you’re paying for the same thing
twice in essence it doesn’t make sense
674
00:11:56,800 –> 00:11:56,810
twice in essence it doesn’t make sense
675
00:11:56,810 –> 00:12:00,010
twice in essence it doesn’t make sense
now continuing down that scale part of
676
00:12:00,010 –> 00:12:00,020
now continuing down that scale part of
677
00:12:00,020 –> 00:12:01,540
now continuing down that scale part of
the problem is the personnel that we’re
678
00:12:01,540 –> 00:12:01,550
the problem is the personnel that we’re
679
00:12:01,550 –> 00:12:03,430
the problem is the personnel that we’re
bringing in also the personnel that were
680
00:12:03,430 –> 00:12:03,440
bringing in also the personnel that were
681
00:12:03,440 –> 00:12:05,740
bringing in also the personnel that were
promoting and for decades what’s been
682
00:12:05,740 –> 00:12:05,750
promoting and for decades what’s been
683
00:12:05,750 –> 00:12:08,110
promoting and for decades what’s been
going on is a type of political
684
00:12:08,110 –> 00:12:08,120
going on is a type of political
685
00:12:08,120 –> 00:12:09,940
going on is a type of political
corruption and how all of those things
686
00:12:09,940 –> 00:12:09,950
corruption and how all of those things
687
00:12:09,950 –> 00:12:12,100
corruption and how all of those things
are done until we find ourselves in a
688
00:12:12,100 –> 00:12:12,110
are done until we find ourselves in a
689
00:12:12,110 –> 00:12:13,780
are done until we find ourselves in a
position like what we’ve seen at the FBI
690
00:12:13,780 –> 00:12:13,790
position like what we’ve seen at the FBI
691
00:12:13,790 –> 00:12:15,310
position like what we’ve seen at the FBI
in particular just because I don’t mean
692
00:12:15,310 –> 00:12:15,320
in particular just because I don’t mean
693
00:12:15,320 –> 00:12:16,750
in particular just because I don’t mean
to pick on them overly but it’s just
694
00:12:16,750 –> 00:12:16,760
to pick on them overly but it’s just
695
00:12:16,760 –> 00:12:18,220
to pick on them overly but it’s just
very easy to see with them because
696
00:12:18,220 –> 00:12:18,230
very easy to see with them because
697
00:12:18,230 –> 00:12:19,630
very easy to see with them because
they’re much more public than say the
698
00:12:19,630 –> 00:12:19,640
they’re much more public than say the
699
00:12:19,640 –> 00:12:22,300
they’re much more public than say the
CIA the FBI part of the reason I have
700
00:12:22,300 –> 00:12:22,310
CIA the FBI part of the reason I have
701
00:12:22,310 –> 00:12:23,890
CIA the FBI part of the reason I have
all these guys at the top and they’re
702
00:12:23,890 –> 00:12:23,900
all these guys at the top and they’re
703
00:12:23,900 –> 00:12:26,470
all these guys at the top and they’re
all of the same political perspective
704
00:12:26,470 –> 00:12:26,480
all of the same political perspective
705
00:12:26,480 –> 00:12:28,000
all of the same political perspective
that I’ve been to fall into this
706
00:12:28,000 –> 00:12:28,010
that I’ve been to fall into this
707
00:12:28,010 –> 00:12:30,340
that I’ve been to fall into this
political corruption trap of where
708
00:12:30,340 –> 00:12:30,350
political corruption trap of where
709
00:12:30,350 –> 00:12:31,810
political corruption trap of where
they’ve gotten themselves and I think
710
00:12:31,810 –> 00:12:31,820
they’ve gotten themselves and I think
711
00:12:31,820 –> 00:12:32,950
they’ve gotten themselves and I think
they’re gonna get in some very serious
712
00:12:32,950 –> 00:12:32,960
they’re gonna get in some very serious
713
00:12:32,960 –> 00:12:34,630
they’re gonna get in some very serious
legal trouble once this during report
714
00:12:34,630 –> 00:12:34,640
legal trouble once this during report
715
00:12:34,640 –> 00:12:36,550
legal trouble once this during report
comes out what allowed them to be there
716
00:12:36,550 –> 00:12:36,560
comes out what allowed them to be there
717
00:12:36,560 –> 00:12:38,980
comes out what allowed them to be there
and that’s this hiring practices first
718
00:12:38,980 –> 00:12:38,990
and that’s this hiring practices first
719
00:12:38,990 –> 00:12:41,140
and that’s this hiring practices first
and if you look at the FBI because much
720
00:12:41,140 –> 00:12:41,150
and if you look at the FBI because much
721
00:12:41,150 –> 00:12:42,400
and if you look at the FBI because much
of this is public a lot of the
722
00:12:42,400 –> 00:12:42,410
of this is public a lot of the
723
00:12:42,410 –> 00:12:44,230
of this is public a lot of the
questioning that takes place of
724
00:12:44,230 –> 00:12:44,240
questioning that takes place of
725
00:12:44,240 –> 00:12:47,380
questioning that takes place of
candidates who apply for the FBI has to
726
00:12:47,380 –> 00:12:47,390
candidates who apply for the FBI has to
727
00:12:47,390 –> 00:12:49,270
candidates who apply for the FBI has to
do if you know do you consider yourself
728
00:12:49,270 –> 00:12:49,280
do if you know do you consider yourself
729
00:12:49,280 –> 00:12:51,430
do if you know do you consider yourself
a justice warrior do you believe in
730
00:12:51,430 –> 00:12:51,440
a justice warrior do you believe in
731
00:12:51,440 –> 00:12:53,200
a justice warrior do you believe in
becoming a justice warrior are you gonna
732
00:12:53,200 –> 00:12:53,210
becoming a justice warrior are you gonna
733
00:12:53,210 –> 00:12:54,940
becoming a justice warrior are you gonna
be a great justice warrior there’s those
734
00:12:54,940 –> 00:12:54,950
be a great justice warrior there’s those
735
00:12:54,950 –> 00:12:56,590
be a great justice warrior there’s those
sorts of things that now take place
736
00:12:56,590 –> 00:12:56,600
sorts of things that now take place
737
00:12:56,600 –> 00:12:59,620
sorts of things that now take place
within the FBI hiring practices as they
738
00:12:59,620 –> 00:12:59,630
within the FBI hiring practices as they
739
00:12:59,630 –> 00:13:01,870
within the FBI hiring practices as they
identify and select candidates who are
740
00:13:01,870 –> 00:13:01,880
identify and select candidates who are
741
00:13:01,880 –> 00:13:04,180
identify and select candidates who are
then hired into the FBI so it’s this
742
00:13:04,180 –> 00:13:04,190
then hired into the FBI so it’s this
743
00:13:04,190 –> 00:13:06,670
then hired into the FBI so it’s this
selection process where they select out
744
00:13:06,670 –> 00:13:06,680
selection process where they select out
745
00:13:06,680 –> 00:13:09,820
selection process where they select out
anybody else it’s not of this political
746
00:13:09,820 –> 00:13:09,830
anybody else it’s not of this political
747
00:13:09,830 –> 00:13:11,500
anybody else it’s not of this political
perspective so they’re bringing in
748
00:13:11,500 –> 00:13:11,510
perspective so they’re bringing in
749
00:13:11,510 –> 00:13:13,720
perspective so they’re bringing in
overwhelmingly something like 70 percent
750
00:13:13,720 –> 00:13:13,730
overwhelmingly something like 70 percent
751
00:13:13,730 –> 00:13:17,110
overwhelmingly something like 70 percent
maybe more of people who really think
752
00:13:17,110 –> 00:13:17,120
maybe more of people who really think
753
00:13:17,120 –> 00:13:19,600
maybe more of people who really think
that way it you know they’re editing out
754
00:13:19,600 –> 00:13:19,610
that way it you know they’re editing out
755
00:13:19,610 –> 00:13:21,340
that way it you know they’re editing out
people who have any sort of other
756
00:13:21,340 –> 00:13:21,350
people who have any sort of other
757
00:13:21,350 –> 00:13:23,590
people who have any sort of other
perspective which is not the job of the
758
00:13:23,590 –> 00:13:23,600
perspective which is not the job of the
759
00:13:23,600 –> 00:13:23,890
perspective which is not the job of the
FBI
760
00:13:23,890 –> 00:13:23,900
FBI
761
00:13:23,900 –> 00:13:26,680
FBI
they’re not here to be a political
762
00:13:26,680 –> 00:13:26,690
they’re not here to be a political
763
00:13:26,690 –> 00:13:28,360
they’re not here to be a political
organization they’re here to you know
764
00:13:28,360 –> 00:13:28,370
organization they’re here to you know
765
00:13:28,370 –> 00:13:30,340
organization they’re here to you know
they’re not the DNC they’re the FBI
766
00:13:30,340 –> 00:13:30,350
they’re not the DNC they’re the FBI
767
00:13:30,350 –> 00:13:33,100
they’re not the DNC they’re the FBI
they’re here to enforce laws and justice
768
00:13:33,100 –> 00:13:33,110
they’re here to enforce laws and justice
769
00:13:33,110 –> 00:13:34,330
they’re here to enforce laws and justice
the statute that we all look at a
770
00:13:34,330 –> 00:13:34,340
the statute that we all look at a
771
00:13:34,340 –> 00:13:35,980
the statute that we all look at a
justice has that blindfold on well the
772
00:13:35,980 –> 00:13:35,990
justice has that blindfold on well the
773
00:13:35,990 –> 00:13:38,110
justice has that blindfold on well the
FBI needs to be of that frame of mind
774
00:13:38,110 –> 00:13:38,120
FBI needs to be of that frame of mind
775
00:13:38,120 –> 00:13:40,300
FBI needs to be of that frame of mind
you know they’re not here to politics of
776
00:13:40,300 –> 00:13:40,310
you know they’re not here to politics of
777
00:13:40,310 –> 00:13:41,770
you know they’re not here to politics of
anything they’re here to enforce the law
778
00:13:41,770 –> 00:13:41,780
anything they’re here to enforce the law
779
00:13:41,780 –> 00:13:43,360
anything they’re here to enforce the law
if you don’t like the laws and you vote
780
00:13:43,360 –> 00:13:43,370
if you don’t like the laws and you vote
781
00:13:43,370 –> 00:13:45,010
if you don’t like the laws and you vote
in new people who change it that should
782
00:13:45,010 –> 00:13:45,020
in new people who change it that should
783
00:13:45,020 –> 00:13:46,840
in new people who change it that should
be the concept that’s used but it’s not
784
00:13:46,840 –> 00:13:46,850
be the concept that’s used but it’s not
785
00:13:46,850 –> 00:13:49,270
be the concept that’s used but it’s not
now that practice has carried over into
786
00:13:49,270 –> 00:13:49,280
now that practice has carried over into
787
00:13:49,280 –> 00:13:50,980
now that practice has carried over into
all of the federal agencies which is
788
00:13:50,980 –> 00:13:50,990
all of the federal agencies which is
789
00:13:50,990 –> 00:13:53,680
all of the federal agencies which is
again why we see it being weaponized so
790
00:13:53,680 –> 00:13:53,690
again why we see it being weaponized so
791
00:13:53,690 –> 00:13:55,900
again why we see it being weaponized so
much now and all of this political
792
00:13:55,900 –> 00:13:55,910
much now and all of this political
793
00:13:55,910 –> 00:13:58,810
much now and all of this political
corruption that exists now is as a
794
00:13:58,810 –> 00:13:58,820
corruption that exists now is as a
795
00:13:58,820 –> 00:14:01,360
corruption that exists now is as a
result of that so I think those hiring
796
00:14:01,360 –> 00:14:01,370
result of that so I think those hiring
797
00:14:01,370 –> 00:14:03,430
result of that so I think those hiring
practices need to be really recalled
798
00:14:03,430 –> 00:14:03,440
practices need to be really recalled
799
00:14:03,440 –> 00:14:06,100
practices need to be really recalled
just from top to bottom so that we bring
800
00:14:06,100 –> 00:14:06,110
just from top to bottom so that we bring
801
00:14:06,110 –> 00:14:07,780
just from top to bottom so that we bring
in the best and the brightest not the
802
00:14:07,780 –> 00:14:07,790
in the best and the brightest not the
803
00:14:07,790 –> 00:14:10,600
in the best and the brightest not the
most politically reliable and then from
804
00:14:10,600 –> 00:14:10,610
most politically reliable and then from
805
00:14:10,610 –> 00:14:12,550
most politically reliable and then from
there even there are a lot of people
806
00:14:12,550 –> 00:14:12,560
there even there are a lot of people
807
00:14:12,560 –> 00:14:13,840
there even there are a lot of people
that come in and aren’t necessarily
808
00:14:13,840 –> 00:14:13,850
that come in and aren’t necessarily
809
00:14:13,850 –> 00:14:15,550
that come in and aren’t necessarily
political they might be apolitical all
810
00:14:15,550 –> 00:14:15,560
political they might be apolitical all
811
00:14:15,560 –> 00:14:16,780
political they might be apolitical all
together they just don’t care about
812
00:14:16,780 –> 00:14:16,790
together they just don’t care about
813
00:14:16,790 –> 00:14:18,070
together they just don’t care about
politics and there’s a lot of people
814
00:14:18,070 –> 00:14:18,080
politics and there’s a lot of people
815
00:14:18,080 –> 00:14:19,450
politics and there’s a lot of people
that are that way some might be
816
00:14:19,450 –> 00:14:19,460
that are that way some might be
817
00:14:19,460 –> 00:14:20,980
that are that way some might be
conservative might some might be liberal
818
00:14:20,980 –> 00:14:20,990
conservative might some might be liberal
819
00:14:20,990 –> 00:14:23,710
conservative might some might be liberal
but it’s not a crosscut of America these
820
00:14:23,710 –> 00:14:23,720
but it’s not a crosscut of America these
821
00:14:23,720 –> 00:14:24,880
but it’s not a crosscut of America these
people that are brought in they’re
822
00:14:24,880 –> 00:14:24,890
people that are brought in they’re
823
00:14:24,890 –> 00:14:26,440
people that are brought in they’re
politically of one ilk more than the
824
00:14:26,440 –> 00:14:26,450
politically of one ilk more than the
825
00:14:26,450 –> 00:14:28,330
politically of one ilk more than the
other but also those people who don’t
826
00:14:28,330 –> 00:14:28,340
other but also those people who don’t
827
00:14:28,340 –> 00:14:30,580
other but also those people who don’t
really want to be political they’re not
828
00:14:30,580 –> 00:14:30,590
really want to be political they’re not
829
00:14:30,590 –> 00:14:32,440
really want to be political they’re not
really allowed to be promoted up very
830
00:14:32,440 –> 00:14:32,450
really allowed to be promoted up very
831
00:14:32,450 –> 00:14:35,410
really allowed to be promoted up very
well now promotions per se because of
832
00:14:35,410 –> 00:14:35,420
well now promotions per se because of
833
00:14:35,420 –> 00:14:37,900
well now promotions per se because of
EEO those are fairly tightly controlled
834
00:14:37,900 –> 00:14:37,910
EEO those are fairly tightly controlled
835
00:14:37,910 –> 00:14:39,700
EEO those are fairly tightly controlled
these panels that are convened in
836
00:14:39,700 –> 00:14:39,710
these panels that are convened in
837
00:14:39,710 –> 00:14:41,590
these panels that are convened in
government to decide who gets promoted
838
00:14:41,590 –> 00:14:41,600
government to decide who gets promoted
839
00:14:41,600 –> 00:14:43,720
government to decide who gets promoted
and this is basically federal government
840
00:14:43,720 –> 00:14:43,730
and this is basically federal government
841
00:14:43,730 –> 00:14:46,210
and this is basically federal government
wide those panels have have many very
842
00:14:46,210 –> 00:14:46,220
wide those panels have have many very
843
00:14:46,220 –> 00:14:48,250
wide those panels have have many very
specific restrictions on them so that
844
00:14:48,250 –> 00:14:48,260
specific restrictions on them so that
845
00:14:48,260 –> 00:14:49,960
specific restrictions on them so that
they cannot judge who gets promoted
846
00:14:49,960 –> 00:14:49,970
they cannot judge who gets promoted
847
00:14:49,970 –> 00:14:52,240
they cannot judge who gets promoted
based on race religion creed all of
848
00:14:52,240 –> 00:14:52,250
based on race religion creed all of
849
00:14:52,250 –> 00:14:54,010
based on race religion creed all of
those sorts of protections that are out
850
00:14:54,010 –> 00:14:54,020
those sorts of protections that are out
851
00:14:54,020 –> 00:14:55,900
those sorts of protections that are out
there whether based on sex all of those
852
00:14:55,900 –> 00:14:55,910
there whether based on sex all of those
853
00:14:55,910 –> 00:14:58,120
there whether based on sex all of those
factors have to be ignored in the
854
00:14:58,120 –> 00:14:58,130
factors have to be ignored in the
855
00:14:58,130 –> 00:15:00,640
factors have to be ignored in the
promotion process but where they get you
856
00:15:00,640 –> 00:15:00,650
promotion process but where they get you
857
00:15:00,650 –> 00:15:02,770
promotion process but where they get you
in that as who gets into that pipeline
858
00:15:02,770 –> 00:15:02,780
in that as who gets into that pipeline
859
00:15:02,780 –> 00:15:05,350
in that as who gets into that pipeline
to leadership that comes based on the
860
00:15:05,350 –> 00:15:05,360
to leadership that comes based on the
861
00:15:05,360 –> 00:15:07,600
to leadership that comes based on the
jobs you get and there’s zero control
862
00:15:07,600 –> 00:15:07,610
jobs you get and there’s zero control
863
00:15:07,610 –> 00:15:11,230
jobs you get and there’s zero control
over how people are given jobs and so
864
00:15:11,230 –> 00:15:11,240
over how people are given jobs and so
865
00:15:11,240 –> 00:15:12,640
over how people are given jobs and so
what happens and this happened for a
866
00:15:12,640 –> 00:15:12,650
what happens and this happened for a
867
00:15:12,650 –> 00:15:14,530
what happens and this happened for a
very long time the people that are
868
00:15:14,530 –> 00:15:14,540
very long time the people that are
869
00:15:14,540 –> 00:15:16,900
very long time the people that are
selecting to go into the really good
870
00:15:16,900 –> 00:15:16,910
selecting to go into the really good
871
00:15:16,910 –> 00:15:19,030
selecting to go into the really good
spot are selected based on this
872
00:15:19,030 –> 00:15:19,040
spot are selected based on this
873
00:15:19,040 –> 00:15:21,340
spot are selected based on this
political reliability they’re no longer
874
00:15:21,340 –> 00:15:21,350
political reliability they’re no longer
875
00:15:21,350 –> 00:15:23,230
political reliability they’re no longer
picked for their you know the their
876
00:15:23,230 –> 00:15:23,240
picked for their you know the their
877
00:15:23,240 –> 00:15:25,660
picked for their you know the their
ability to actually do the work they’re
878
00:15:25,660 –> 00:15:25,670
ability to actually do the work they’re
879
00:15:25,670 –> 00:15:27,610
ability to actually do the work they’re
picked for their ability not their
880
00:15:27,610 –> 00:15:27,620
picked for their ability not their
881
00:15:27,620 –> 00:15:29,830
picked for their ability not their
believe but their political reliability
882
00:15:29,830 –> 00:15:29,840
believe but their political reliability
883
00:15:29,840 –> 00:15:33,100
believe but their political reliability
so if you get all the choice jobs going
884
00:15:33,100 –> 00:15:33,110
so if you get all the choice jobs going
885
00:15:33,110 –> 00:15:35,020
so if you get all the choice jobs going
to get promoted so that’s how they
886
00:15:35,020 –> 00:15:35,030
to get promoted so that’s how they
887
00:15:35,030 –> 00:15:36,520
to get promoted so that’s how they
control who gets into that leadership
888
00:15:36,520 –> 00:15:36,530
control who gets into that leadership
889
00:15:36,530 –> 00:15:37,929
control who gets into that leadership
pipeline and those are
890
00:15:37,929 –> 00:15:37,939
pipeline and those are
891
00:15:37,939 –> 00:15:40,210
pipeline and those are
the only guys that go up and forward so
892
00:15:40,210 –> 00:15:40,220
the only guys that go up and forward so
893
00:15:40,220 –> 00:15:42,249
the only guys that go up and forward so
if you’re not in that group you know if
894
00:15:42,249 –> 00:15:42,259
if you’re not in that group you know if
895
00:15:42,259 –> 00:15:43,989
if you’re not in that group you know if
you’re not political or you’re a
896
00:15:43,989 –> 00:15:43,999
you’re not political or you’re a
897
00:15:43,999 –> 00:15:45,939
you’re not political or you’re a
conservative any of those other things
898
00:15:45,939 –> 00:15:45,949
conservative any of those other things
899
00:15:45,949 –> 00:15:48,039
conservative any of those other things
that’s not a bare little group the old
900
00:15:48,039 –> 00:15:48,049
that’s not a bare little group the old
901
00:15:48,049 –> 00:15:49,809
that’s not a bare little group the old
boys club then you know just never get
902
00:15:49,809 –> 00:15:49,819
boys club then you know just never get
903
00:15:49,819 –> 00:15:51,339
boys club then you know just never get
the right jobs and so you’ll never get
904
00:15:51,339 –> 00:15:51,349
the right jobs and so you’ll never get
905
00:15:51,349 –> 00:15:53,049
the right jobs and so you’ll never get
the ticket punches that get you promoted
906
00:15:53,049 –> 00:15:53,059
the ticket punches that get you promoted
907
00:15:53,059 –> 00:15:54,819
the ticket punches that get you promoted
up to that pipeline and that’s whole
908
00:15:54,819 –> 00:15:54,829
up to that pipeline and that’s whole
909
00:15:54,829 –> 00:15:57,460
up to that pipeline and that’s whole
process has been consolidated so that’s
910
00:15:57,460 –> 00:15:57,470
process has been consolidated so that’s
911
00:15:57,470 –> 00:15:59,049
process has been consolidated so that’s
why we see all of these same sort of
912
00:15:59,049 –> 00:15:59,059
why we see all of these same sort of
913
00:15:59,059 –> 00:16:01,059
why we see all of these same sort of
people this political corruption in the
914
00:16:01,059 –> 00:16:01,069
people this political corruption in the
915
00:16:01,069 –> 00:16:03,999
people this political corruption in the
FBI could not have existed if all of the
916
00:16:03,999 –> 00:16:04,009
FBI could not have existed if all of the
917
00:16:04,009 –> 00:16:05,949
FBI could not have existed if all of the
top people who were involved in the FISA
918
00:16:05,949 –> 00:16:05,959
top people who were involved in the FISA
919
00:16:05,959 –> 00:16:08,649
top people who were involved in the FISA
process specifically weren’t all of that
920
00:16:08,649 –> 00:16:08,659
process specifically weren’t all of that
921
00:16:08,659 –> 00:16:10,659
process specifically weren’t all of that
same mind fellow-travellers if you will
922
00:16:10,659 –> 00:16:10,669
same mind fellow-travellers if you will
923
00:16:10,669 –> 00:16:12,460
same mind fellow-travellers if you will
and that part of what has got us into
924
00:16:12,460 –> 00:16:12,470
and that part of what has got us into
925
00:16:12,470 –> 00:16:14,649
and that part of what has got us into
trouble so we need also need controls
926
00:16:14,649 –> 00:16:14,659
trouble so we need also need controls
927
00:16:14,659 –> 00:16:18,219
trouble so we need also need controls
over how people are selected for jobs
928
00:16:18,219 –> 00:16:18,229
over how people are selected for jobs
929
00:16:18,229 –> 00:16:20,729
over how people are selected for jobs
the similar process to how we do
930
00:16:20,729 –> 00:16:20,739
the similar process to how we do
931
00:16:20,739 –> 00:16:23,649
the similar process to how we do
promotions needs to be imposed on who
932
00:16:23,649 –> 00:16:23,659
promotions needs to be imposed on who
933
00:16:23,659 –> 00:16:26,049
promotions needs to be imposed on who
gets what jobs so that it’s done even
934
00:16:26,049 –> 00:16:26,059
gets what jobs so that it’s done even
935
00:16:26,059 –> 00:16:28,239
gets what jobs so that it’s done even
handedly again based someone’s ability
936
00:16:28,239 –> 00:16:28,249
handedly again based someone’s ability
937
00:16:28,249 –> 00:16:30,309
handedly again based someone’s ability
to actually perform the job well and
938
00:16:30,309 –> 00:16:30,319
to actually perform the job well and
939
00:16:30,319 –> 00:16:32,049
to actually perform the job well and
their background and experience that are
940
00:16:32,049 –> 00:16:32,059
their background and experience that are
941
00:16:32,059 –> 00:16:33,579
their background and experience that are
required and those sorts of things
942
00:16:33,579 –> 00:16:33,589
required and those sorts of things
943
00:16:33,589 –> 00:16:35,589
required and those sorts of things
so that you keep that political element
944
00:16:35,589 –> 00:16:35,599
so that you keep that political element
945
00:16:35,599 –> 00:16:37,119
so that you keep that political element
out of it kind of the final thing that
946
00:16:37,119 –> 00:16:37,129
out of it kind of the final thing that
947
00:16:37,129 –> 00:16:39,460
out of it kind of the final thing that
I’ve thought through on this would be
948
00:16:39,460 –> 00:16:39,470
I’ve thought through on this would be
949
00:16:39,470 –> 00:16:41,859
I’ve thought through on this would be
the polygraph now to hold the highest
950
00:16:41,859 –> 00:16:41,869
the polygraph now to hold the highest
951
00:16:41,869 –> 00:16:44,019
the polygraph now to hold the highest
levels of clearances levels of clearance
952
00:16:44,019 –> 00:16:44,029
levels of clearances levels of clearance
953
00:16:44,029 –> 00:16:45,699
levels of clearances levels of clearance
I think most people are familiar with
954
00:16:45,699 –> 00:16:45,709
I think most people are familiar with
955
00:16:45,709 –> 00:16:47,409
I think most people are familiar with
that for example very common is to have
956
00:16:47,409 –> 00:16:47,419
that for example very common is to have
957
00:16:47,419 –> 00:16:48,879
that for example very common is to have
only a secret clearance which is
958
00:16:48,879 –> 00:16:48,889
only a secret clearance which is
959
00:16:48,889 –> 00:16:50,529
only a secret clearance which is
particularly common in the military but
960
00:16:50,529 –> 00:16:50,539
particularly common in the military but
961
00:16:50,539 –> 00:16:52,659
particularly common in the military but
all the agencies have secret clearances
962
00:16:52,659 –> 00:16:52,669
all the agencies have secret clearances
963
00:16:52,669 –> 00:16:54,939
all the agencies have secret clearances
for people that just do things that
964
00:16:54,939 –> 00:16:54,949
for people that just do things that
965
00:16:54,949 –> 00:16:56,499
for people that just do things that
aren’t necessarily that kind of mainline
966
00:16:56,499 –> 00:16:56,509
aren’t necessarily that kind of mainline
967
00:16:56,509 –> 00:16:58,749
aren’t necessarily that kind of mainline
intelligence is sorts of issues but
968
00:16:58,749 –> 00:16:58,759
intelligence is sorts of issues but
969
00:16:58,759 –> 00:17:00,719
intelligence is sorts of issues but
anyone who’s involved in any of the high
970
00:17:00,719 –> 00:17:00,729
anyone who’s involved in any of the high
971
00:17:00,729 –> 00:17:03,099
anyone who’s involved in any of the high
classifications and those sorts of very
972
00:17:03,099 –> 00:17:03,109
classifications and those sorts of very
973
00:17:03,109 –> 00:17:05,110
classifications and those sorts of very
in-depth intelligence activities have to
974
00:17:05,110 –> 00:17:05,120
in-depth intelligence activities have to
975
00:17:05,120 –> 00:17:07,600
in-depth intelligence activities have to
have polygraph and so that would be then
976
00:17:07,600 –> 00:17:07,610
have polygraph and so that would be then
977
00:17:07,610 –> 00:17:10,029
have polygraph and so that would be then
a full scope polygraph full clearance
978
00:17:10,029 –> 00:17:10,039
a full scope polygraph full clearance
979
00:17:10,039 –> 00:17:12,610
a full scope polygraph full clearance
TSS CI top-secret clearance and I think
980
00:17:12,610 –> 00:17:12,620
TSS CI top-secret clearance and I think
981
00:17:12,620 –> 00:17:14,139
TSS CI top-secret clearance and I think
part of what needs to be done is in that
982
00:17:14,139 –> 00:17:14,149
part of what needs to be done is in that
983
00:17:14,149 –> 00:17:16,149
part of what needs to be done is in that
polygraph process because in essence
984
00:17:16,149 –> 00:17:16,159
polygraph process because in essence
985
00:17:16,159 –> 00:17:19,029
polygraph process because in essence
what we have if you look at James Comey
986
00:17:19,029 –> 00:17:19,039
what we have if you look at James Comey
987
00:17:19,039 –> 00:17:21,939
what we have if you look at James Comey
and Peter strike and these people again
988
00:17:21,939 –> 00:17:21,949
and Peter strike and these people again
989
00:17:21,949 –> 00:17:23,379
and Peter strike and these people again
I keep referring back to the FBI just
990
00:17:23,379 –> 00:17:23,389
I keep referring back to the FBI just
991
00:17:23,389 –> 00:17:25,149
I keep referring back to the FBI just
because they’re more public and it’s
992
00:17:25,149 –> 00:17:25,159
because they’re more public and it’s
993
00:17:25,159 –> 00:17:27,819
because they’re more public and it’s
easier to discuss a sort of forum but
994
00:17:27,819 –> 00:17:27,829
easier to discuss a sort of forum but
995
00:17:27,829 –> 00:17:29,919
easier to discuss a sort of forum but
they all had these top-level clearances
996
00:17:29,919 –> 00:17:29,929
they all had these top-level clearances
997
00:17:29,929 –> 00:17:31,389
they all had these top-level clearances
of course for the position that they
998
00:17:31,389 –> 00:17:31,399
of course for the position that they
999
00:17:31,399 –> 00:17:32,799
of course for the position that they
were in and they all had to be
1000
00:17:32,799 –> 00:17:32,809
were in and they all had to be
1001
00:17:32,809 –> 00:17:34,570
were in and they all had to be
polygraphed which is done periodically
1002
00:17:34,570 –> 00:17:34,580
polygraphed which is done periodically
1003
00:17:34,580 –> 00:17:36,460
polygraphed which is done periodically
theoretically it’s done every five years
1004
00:17:36,460 –> 00:17:36,470
theoretically it’s done every five years
1005
00:17:36,470 –> 00:17:38,200
theoretically it’s done every five years
or so now there’s a horrible backlog it
1006
00:17:38,200 –> 00:17:38,210
or so now there’s a horrible backlog it
1007
00:17:38,210 –> 00:17:40,090
or so now there’s a horrible backlog it
doesn’t take place that often but that
1008
00:17:40,090 –> 00:17:40,100
doesn’t take place that often but that
1009
00:17:40,100 –> 00:17:42,820
doesn’t take place that often but that
is the idea and one of the things I
1010
00:17:42,820 –> 00:17:42,830
is the idea and one of the things I
1011
00:17:42,830 –> 00:17:44,350
is the idea and one of the things I
think that needs to be built into that
1012
00:17:44,350 –> 00:17:44,360
think that needs to be built into that
1013
00:17:44,360 –> 00:17:45,820
think that needs to be built into that
that would eliminate a lot of these
1014
00:17:45,820 –> 00:17:45,830
that would eliminate a lot of these
1015
00:17:45,830 –> 00:17:48,159
that would eliminate a lot of these
people like James Comey and Peter struck
1016
00:17:48,159 –> 00:17:48,169
people like James Comey and Peter struck
1017
00:17:48,169 –> 00:17:50,169
people like James Comey and Peter struck
should never ever upheld a clearance
1018
00:17:50,169 –> 00:17:50,179
should never ever upheld a clearance
1019
00:17:50,179 –> 00:17:51,740
should never ever upheld a clearance
clearly they were not up
1020
00:17:51,740 –> 00:17:51,750
clearly they were not up
1021
00:17:51,750 –> 00:17:53,390
clearly they were not up
to the requirements you know they
1022
00:17:53,390 –> 00:17:53,400
to the requirements you know they
1023
00:17:53,400 –> 00:17:55,190
to the requirements you know they
weren’t reliable enough for national
1024
00:17:55,190 –> 00:17:55,200
weren’t reliable enough for national
1025
00:17:55,200 –> 00:17:56,870
weren’t reliable enough for national
security reasons to have a clearance
1026
00:17:56,870 –> 00:17:56,880
security reasons to have a clearance
1027
00:17:56,880 –> 00:17:58,370
security reasons to have a clearance
which of them by the way I don’t think
1028
00:17:58,370 –> 00:17:58,380
which of them by the way I don’t think
1029
00:17:58,380 –> 00:17:59,780
which of them by the way I don’t think
their clearances have been pulled even
1030
00:17:59,780 –> 00:17:59,790
their clearances have been pulled even
1031
00:17:59,790 –> 00:18:01,580
their clearances have been pulled even
yet but I think one of the questions
1032
00:18:01,580 –> 00:18:01,590
yet but I think one of the questions
1033
00:18:01,590 –> 00:18:03,050
yet but I think one of the questions
that should be built-in now this isn’t
1034
00:18:03,050 –> 00:18:03,060
that should be built-in now this isn’t
1035
00:18:03,060 –> 00:18:04,850
that should be built-in now this isn’t
just a single one question it would be a
1036
00:18:04,850 –> 00:18:04,860
just a single one question it would be a
1037
00:18:04,860 –> 00:18:06,620
just a single one question it would be a
series of questions to get to the bottom
1038
00:18:06,620 –> 00:18:06,630
series of questions to get to the bottom
1039
00:18:06,630 –> 00:18:08,090
series of questions to get to the bottom
of it but it should be built around the
1040
00:18:08,090 –> 00:18:08,100
of it but it should be built around the
1041
00:18:08,100 –> 00:18:09,860
of it but it should be built around the
concept of what’s more important to you
1042
00:18:09,860 –> 00:18:09,870
concept of what’s more important to you
1043
00:18:09,870 –> 00:18:11,900
concept of what’s more important to you
as an individual with your clearance is
1044
00:18:11,900 –> 00:18:11,910
as an individual with your clearance is
1045
00:18:11,910 –> 00:18:13,940
as an individual with your clearance is
it more important to you to uphold your
1046
00:18:13,940 –> 00:18:13,950
it more important to you to uphold your
1047
00:18:13,950 –> 00:18:15,920
it more important to you to uphold your
oath to support and defend the
1048
00:18:15,920 –> 00:18:15,930
oath to support and defend the
1049
00:18:15,930 –> 00:18:18,020
oath to support and defend the
Constitution in the United States or are
1050
00:18:18,020 –> 00:18:18,030
Constitution in the United States or are
1051
00:18:18,030 –> 00:18:19,850
Constitution in the United States or are
your personal political beliefs more
1052
00:18:19,850 –> 00:18:19,860
your personal political beliefs more
1053
00:18:19,860 –> 00:18:21,440
your personal political beliefs more
important you know which one takes
1054
00:18:21,440 –> 00:18:21,450
important you know which one takes
1055
00:18:21,450 –> 00:18:23,570
important you know which one takes
precedent in your life for your duties
1056
00:18:23,570 –> 00:18:23,580
precedent in your life for your duties
1057
00:18:23,580 –> 00:18:25,730
precedent in your life for your duties
here for the US government related to
1058
00:18:25,730 –> 00:18:25,740
here for the US government related to
1059
00:18:25,740 –> 00:18:27,530
here for the US government related to
national security and if they can’t
1060
00:18:27,530 –> 00:18:27,540
national security and if they can’t
1061
00:18:27,540 –> 00:18:29,870
national security and if they can’t
clearly pass the polygraph dating that
1062
00:18:29,870 –> 00:18:29,880
clearly pass the polygraph dating that
1063
00:18:29,880 –> 00:18:31,520
clearly pass the polygraph dating that
you know they they uphold and support
1064
00:18:31,520 –> 00:18:31,530
you know they they uphold and support
1065
00:18:31,530 –> 00:18:33,140
you know they they uphold and support
the Constitution in the United States as
1066
00:18:33,140 –> 00:18:33,150
the Constitution in the United States as
1067
00:18:33,150 –> 00:18:35,810
the Constitution in the United States as
their priority well above their personal
1068
00:18:35,810 –> 00:18:35,820
their priority well above their personal
1069
00:18:35,820 –> 00:18:37,040
their priority well above their personal
political beliefs then they’re not
1070
00:18:37,040 –> 00:18:37,050
political beliefs then they’re not
1071
00:18:37,050 –> 00:18:38,990
political beliefs then they’re not
worthy of holding up a clearance it’s
1072
00:18:38,990 –> 00:18:39,000
worthy of holding up a clearance it’s
1073
00:18:39,000 –> 00:18:41,390
worthy of holding up a clearance it’s
it’s the same thing if if we can’t rely
1074
00:18:41,390 –> 00:18:41,400
it’s the same thing if if we can’t rely
1075
00:18:41,400 –> 00:18:43,190
it’s the same thing if if we can’t rely
upon you to keep secret information
1076
00:18:43,190 –> 00:18:43,200
upon you to keep secret information
1077
00:18:43,200 –> 00:18:45,500
upon you to keep secret information
secret art you know or you will relieve
1078
00:18:45,500 –> 00:18:45,510
secret art you know or you will relieve
1079
00:18:45,510 –> 00:18:46,910
secret art you know or you will relieve
a clearance and and clearly the answer
1080
00:18:46,910 –> 00:18:46,920
a clearance and and clearly the answer
1081
00:18:46,920 –> 00:18:49,610
a clearance and and clearly the answer
is not because your priority is not the
1082
00:18:49,610 –> 00:18:49,620
is not because your priority is not the
1083
00:18:49,620 –> 00:18:51,680
is not because your priority is not the
US Constitution and national security
1084
00:18:51,680 –> 00:18:51,690
US Constitution and national security
1085
00:18:51,690 –> 00:18:54,320
US Constitution and national security
your priority is something else
1086
00:18:54,320 –> 00:18:54,330
your priority is something else
1087
00:18:54,330 –> 00:18:56,960
your priority is something else
so we’ve long long eliminated people
1088
00:18:56,960 –> 00:18:56,970
so we’ve long long eliminated people
1089
00:18:56,970 –> 00:18:58,940
so we’ve long long eliminated people
from you know having a security
1090
00:18:58,940 –> 00:18:58,950
from you know having a security
1091
00:18:58,950 –> 00:19:00,800
from you know having a security
clearance not passing the polygraph
1092
00:19:00,800 –> 00:19:00,810
clearance not passing the polygraph
1093
00:19:00,810 –> 00:19:02,510
clearance not passing the polygraph
based on quote as a Bissel
1094
00:19:02,510 –> 00:19:02,520
based on quote as a Bissel
1095
00:19:02,520 –> 00:19:04,640
based on quote as a Bissel
so that would be kind of the final thing
1096
00:19:04,640 –> 00:19:04,650
so that would be kind of the final thing
1097
00:19:04,650 –> 00:19:06,410
so that would be kind of the final thing
that I’d built in to this so that we
1098
00:19:06,410 –> 00:19:06,420
that I’d built in to this so that we
1099
00:19:06,420 –> 00:19:07,940
that I’d built in to this so that we
could start to eliminate these people
1100
00:19:07,940 –> 00:19:07,950
could start to eliminate these people
1101
00:19:07,950 –> 00:19:09,470
could start to eliminate these people
whose personal political beliefs
1102
00:19:09,470 –> 00:19:09,480
whose personal political beliefs
1103
00:19:09,480 –> 00:19:11,630
whose personal political beliefs
let them leak secrets and I would just
1104
00:19:11,630 –> 00:19:11,640
let them leak secrets and I would just
1105
00:19:11,640 –> 00:19:14,000
let them leak secrets and I would just
one little example of that it’s a an
1106
00:19:14,000 –> 00:19:14,010
one little example of that it’s a an
1107
00:19:14,010 –> 00:19:15,890
one little example of that it’s a an
unusual name which is stuck in my mind
1108
00:19:15,890 –> 00:19:15,900
unusual name which is stuck in my mind
1109
00:19:15,900 –> 00:19:17,930
unusual name which is stuck in my mind
but about three years ago when Trump
1110
00:19:17,930 –> 00:19:17,940
but about three years ago when Trump
1111
00:19:17,940 –> 00:19:20,480
but about three years ago when Trump
first became president a lot of people
1112
00:19:20,480 –> 00:19:20,490
first became president a lot of people
1113
00:19:20,490 –> 00:19:22,280
first became president a lot of people
trying to damage him politically through
1114
00:19:22,280 –> 00:19:22,290
trying to damage him politically through
1115
00:19:22,290 –> 00:19:23,690
trying to damage him politically through
whatever means they could and there was
1116
00:19:23,690 –> 00:19:23,700
whatever means they could and there was
1117
00:19:23,700 –> 00:19:25,790
whatever means they could and there was
a young lady named Felicity Winter I
1118
00:19:25,790 –> 00:19:25,800
a young lady named Felicity Winter I
1119
00:19:25,800 –> 00:19:29,330
a young lady named Felicity Winter I
believe was named and she had taken a
1120
00:19:29,330 –> 00:19:29,340
believe was named and she had taken a
1121
00:19:29,340 –> 00:19:31,640
believe was named and she had taken a
classified document printed it off took
1122
00:19:31,640 –> 00:19:31,650
classified document printed it off took
1123
00:19:31,650 –> 00:19:33,470
classified document printed it off took
it home and gave it to the press and so
1124
00:19:33,470 –> 00:19:33,480
it home and gave it to the press and so
1125
00:19:33,480 –> 00:19:35,180
it home and gave it to the press and so
she leaked information why did she
1126
00:19:35,180 –> 00:19:35,190
she leaked information why did she
1127
00:19:35,190 –> 00:19:36,950
she leaked information why did she
leaked it when she was arrested for this
1128
00:19:36,950 –> 00:19:36,960
leaked it when she was arrested for this
1129
00:19:36,960 –> 00:19:38,390
leaked it when she was arrested for this
and I believe she’s still in jail for
1130
00:19:38,390 –> 00:19:38,400
and I believe she’s still in jail for
1131
00:19:38,400 –> 00:19:39,700
and I believe she’s still in jail for
this leaking of classified information
1132
00:19:39,700 –> 00:19:39,710
this leaking of classified information
1133
00:19:39,710 –> 00:19:41,960
this leaking of classified information
what she said was well she thought it
1134
00:19:41,960 –> 00:19:41,970
what she said was well she thought it
1135
00:19:41,970 –> 00:19:43,670
what she said was well she thought it
would damage President Trump so clearly
1136
00:19:43,670 –> 00:19:43,680
would damage President Trump so clearly
1137
00:19:43,680 –> 00:19:46,400
would damage President Trump so clearly
right there is just a perfect case of
1138
00:19:46,400 –> 00:19:46,410
right there is just a perfect case of
1139
00:19:46,410 –> 00:19:48,020
right there is just a perfect case of
somebody whose personal political
1140
00:19:48,020 –> 00:19:48,030
somebody whose personal political
1141
00:19:48,030 –> 00:19:50,450
somebody whose personal political
beliefs were more important than their
1142
00:19:50,450 –> 00:19:50,460
beliefs were more important than their
1143
00:19:50,460 –> 00:19:52,010
beliefs were more important than their
responsibilities to national security
1144
00:19:52,010 –> 00:19:52,020
responsibilities to national security
1145
00:19:52,020 –> 00:19:53,870
responsibilities to national security
and the Constitution United States and
1146
00:19:53,870 –> 00:19:53,880
and the Constitution United States and
1147
00:19:53,880 –> 00:19:56,480
and the Constitution United States and
so she took it upon herself to leak this
1148
00:19:56,480 –> 00:19:56,490
so she took it upon herself to leak this
1149
00:19:56,490 –> 00:19:57,980
so she took it upon herself to leak this
information thinking of a damaged
1150
00:19:57,980 –> 00:19:57,990
information thinking of a damaged
1151
00:19:57,990 –> 00:20:00,350
information thinking of a damaged
president Trump again for those personal
1152
00:20:00,350 –> 00:20:00,360
president Trump again for those personal
1153
00:20:00,360 –> 00:20:02,120
president Trump again for those personal
political motives rather than you know
1154
00:20:02,120 –> 00:20:02,130
political motives rather than you know
1155
00:20:02,130 –> 00:20:04,220
political motives rather than you know
any responsibility towards her job and
1156
00:20:04,220 –> 00:20:04,230
any responsibility towards her job and
1157
00:20:04,230 –> 00:20:05,629
any responsibility towards her job and
that’s the type of thing that’s
1158
00:20:05,629 –> 00:20:05,639
that’s the type of thing that’s
1159
00:20:05,639 –> 00:20:08,119
that’s the type of thing that’s
why these sorts of people are unreliable
1160
00:20:08,119 –> 00:20:08,129
why these sorts of people are unreliable
1161
00:20:08,129 –> 00:20:09,709
why these sorts of people are unreliable
and should not be trusted with the
1162
00:20:09,709 –> 00:20:09,719
and should not be trusted with the
1163
00:20:09,719 –> 00:20:11,749
and should not be trusted with the
clearance and I think if a polygraph of
1164
00:20:11,749 –> 00:20:11,759
clearance and I think if a polygraph of
1165
00:20:11,759 –> 00:20:13,249
clearance and I think if a polygraph of
that and if that was added to the
1166
00:20:13,249 –> 00:20:13,259
that and if that was added to the
1167
00:20:13,259 –> 00:20:15,019
that and if that was added to the
polygraph tests that go out for these
1168
00:20:15,019 –> 00:20:15,029
polygraph tests that go out for these
1169
00:20:15,029 –> 00:20:17,119
polygraph tests that go out for these
high-level clearances I think you’d see
1170
00:20:17,119 –> 00:20:17,129
high-level clearances I think you’d see
1171
00:20:17,129 –> 00:20:19,129
high-level clearances I think you’d see
a large percentage of the people who
1172
00:20:19,129 –> 00:20:19,139
a large percentage of the people who
1173
00:20:19,139 –> 00:20:21,079
a large percentage of the people who
currently have clearances be eliminated
1174
00:20:21,079 –> 00:20:21,089
currently have clearances be eliminated
1175
00:20:21,089 –> 00:20:22,489
currently have clearances be eliminated
and good riddance you know they’re not
1176
00:20:22,489 –> 00:20:22,499
and good riddance you know they’re not
1177
00:20:22,499 –> 00:20:24,259
and good riddance you know they’re not
reliable they’re not trustworthy they
1178
00:20:24,259 –> 00:20:24,269
reliable they’re not trustworthy they
1179
00:20:24,269 –> 00:20:25,489
reliable they’re not trustworthy they
don’t put the interests of the United
1180
00:20:25,489 –> 00:20:25,499
don’t put the interests of the United
1181
00:20:25,499 –> 00:20:26,989
don’t put the interests of the United
States of America ahead of their own
1182
00:20:26,989 –> 00:20:26,999
States of America ahead of their own
1183
00:20:26,999 –> 00:20:28,699
States of America ahead of their own
personal interests so they’re not they
1184
00:20:28,699 –> 00:20:28,709
personal interests so they’re not they
1185
00:20:28,709 –> 00:20:30,560
personal interests so they’re not they
don’t deserve to have a clearance so I
1186
00:20:30,560 –> 00:20:30,570
don’t deserve to have a clearance so I
1187
00:20:30,570 –> 00:20:32,779
don’t deserve to have a clearance so I
think those are that’s a I know a lot of
1188
00:20:32,779 –> 00:20:32,789
think those are that’s a I know a lot of
1189
00:20:32,789 –> 00:20:34,819
think those are that’s a I know a lot of
information that context I touched on
1190
00:20:34,819 –> 00:20:34,829
information that context I touched on
1191
00:20:34,829 –> 00:20:36,769
information that context I touched on
many different subjects but that’s kind
1192
00:20:36,769 –> 00:20:36,779
many different subjects but that’s kind
1193
00:20:36,779 –> 00:20:38,690
many different subjects but that’s kind
of an overview of I think where I would
1194
00:20:38,690 –> 00:20:38,700
of an overview of I think where I would
1195
00:20:38,700 –> 00:20:40,190
of an overview of I think where I would
start and I think that would get as well
1196
00:20:40,190 –> 00:20:40,200
start and I think that would get as well
1197
00:20:40,200 –> 00:20:41,959
start and I think that would get as well
down the road really having a lot
1198
00:20:41,959 –> 00:20:41,969
down the road really having a lot
1199
00:20:41,969 –> 00:20:46,190
down the road really having a lot
stronger well you’re on a roll man so I
1200
00:20:46,190 –> 00:20:46,200
stronger well you’re on a roll man so I
1201
00:20:46,200 –> 00:20:48,109
stronger well you’re on a roll man so I
let you go but listen I want to come
1202
00:20:48,109 –> 00:20:48,119
let you go but listen I want to come
1203
00:20:48,119 –> 00:20:50,180
let you go but listen I want to come
back and I don’t know if I’m if so much
1204
00:20:50,180 –> 00:20:50,190
back and I don’t know if I’m if so much
1205
00:20:50,190 –> 00:20:52,069
back and I don’t know if I’m if so much
is focused on a piece of what you said
1206
00:20:52,069 –> 00:20:52,079
is focused on a piece of what you said
1207
00:20:52,079 –> 00:20:53,749
is focused on a piece of what you said
has has come at it from a different
1208
00:20:53,749 –> 00:20:53,759
has has come at it from a different
1209
00:20:53,759 –> 00:20:55,879
has has come at it from a different
optic and get your response I it’s not a
1210
00:20:55,879 –> 00:20:55,889
optic and get your response I it’s not a
1211
00:20:55,889 –> 00:20:57,229
optic and get your response I it’s not a
different topic just a slightly
1212
00:20:57,229 –> 00:20:57,239
different topic just a slightly
1213
00:20:57,239 –> 00:20:58,940
different topic just a slightly
different slant you’ve touched on a lot
1214
00:20:58,940 –> 00:20:58,950
different slant you’ve touched on a lot
1215
00:20:58,950 –> 00:21:01,009
different slant you’ve touched on a lot
of stuff here about bloat and about
1216
00:21:01,009 –> 00:21:01,019
of stuff here about bloat and about
1217
00:21:01,019 –> 00:21:03,319
of stuff here about bloat and about
people getting selected for assignments
1218
00:21:03,319 –> 00:21:03,329
people getting selected for assignments
1219
00:21:03,329 –> 00:21:05,569
people getting selected for assignments
irrespective of performance based on
1220
00:21:05,569 –> 00:21:05,579
irrespective of performance based on
1221
00:21:05,579 –> 00:21:07,940
irrespective of performance based on
political considerations a lot of these
1222
00:21:07,940 –> 00:21:07,950
political considerations a lot of these
1223
00:21:07,950 –> 00:21:10,940
political considerations a lot of these
things and what it appears to me based
1224
00:21:10,940 –> 00:21:10,950
things and what it appears to me based
1225
00:21:10,950 –> 00:21:13,819
things and what it appears to me based
on my experience when I was still with
1226
00:21:13,819 –> 00:21:13,829
on my experience when I was still with
1227
00:21:13,829 –> 00:21:16,069
on my experience when I was still with
the agency and then working with the
1228
00:21:16,069 –> 00:21:16,079
the agency and then working with the
1229
00:21:16,079 –> 00:21:18,739
the agency and then working with the
intelligence community extensively since
1230
00:21:18,739 –> 00:21:18,749
intelligence community extensively since
1231
00:21:18,749 –> 00:21:21,379
intelligence community extensively since
is that we’ve thrown all this money at
1232
00:21:21,379 –> 00:21:21,389
is that we’ve thrown all this money at
1233
00:21:21,389 –> 00:21:24,159
is that we’ve thrown all this money at
this general problem of intelligence
1234
00:21:24,159 –> 00:21:24,169
this general problem of intelligence
1235
00:21:24,169 –> 00:21:26,599
this general problem of intelligence
particularly initially with a focus on
1236
00:21:26,599 –> 00:21:26,609
particularly initially with a focus on
1237
00:21:26,609 –> 00:21:28,579
particularly initially with a focus on
counterterrorism and we’ve built a lot
1238
00:21:28,579 –> 00:21:28,589
counterterrorism and we’ve built a lot
1239
00:21:28,589 –> 00:21:31,310
counterterrorism and we’ve built a lot
of new entities like the DNI and built
1240
00:21:31,310 –> 00:21:31,320
of new entities like the DNI and built
1241
00:21:31,320 –> 00:21:33,739
of new entities like the DNI and built
God knows how many new buildings and put
1242
00:21:33,739 –> 00:21:33,749
God knows how many new buildings and put
1243
00:21:33,749 –> 00:21:35,389
God knows how many new buildings and put
people in front of flat-screen tvs
1244
00:21:35,389 –> 00:21:35,399
people in front of flat-screen tvs
1245
00:21:35,399 –> 00:21:37,549
people in front of flat-screen tvs
flat-screen computer monitors all over
1246
00:21:37,549 –> 00:21:37,559
flat-screen computer monitors all over
1247
00:21:37,559 –> 00:21:39,979
flat-screen computer monitors all over
Washington but when it comes down to it
1248
00:21:39,979 –> 00:21:39,989
Washington but when it comes down to it
1249
00:21:39,989 –> 00:21:42,469
Washington but when it comes down to it
despite all of this or maybe because all
1250
00:21:42,469 –> 00:21:42,479
despite all of this or maybe because all
1251
00:21:42,479 –> 00:21:43,999
despite all of this or maybe because all
of this is a better way to look at it
1252
00:21:43,999 –> 00:21:44,009
of this is a better way to look at it
1253
00:21:44,009 –> 00:21:46,069
of this is a better way to look at it
when the rubber meets the road in terms
1254
00:21:46,069 –> 00:21:46,079
when the rubber meets the road in terms
1255
00:21:46,079 –> 00:21:48,829
when the rubber meets the road in terms
of performance and effectiveness and
1256
00:21:48,829 –> 00:21:48,839
of performance and effectiveness and
1257
00:21:48,839 –> 00:21:50,259
of performance and effectiveness and
actually getting after the target
1258
00:21:50,259 –> 00:21:50,269
actually getting after the target
1259
00:21:50,269 –> 00:21:52,729
actually getting after the target
particularly in my opinion when it comes
1260
00:21:52,729 –> 00:21:52,739
particularly in my opinion when it comes
1261
00:21:52,739 –> 00:21:55,819
particularly in my opinion when it comes
to human intelligence not only not had
1262
00:21:55,819 –> 00:21:55,829
to human intelligence not only not had
1263
00:21:55,829 –> 00:21:59,149
to human intelligence not only not had
much impact but in many cases that
1264
00:21:59,149 –> 00:21:59,159
much impact but in many cases that
1265
00:21:59,159 –> 00:22:01,399
much impact but in many cases that
impact we’ve had is negative I just give
1266
00:22:01,399 –> 00:22:01,409
impact we’ve had is negative I just give
1267
00:22:01,409 –> 00:22:03,829
impact we’ve had is negative I just give
you an anecdote from a few years ago I
1268
00:22:03,829 –> 00:22:03,839
you an anecdote from a few years ago I
1269
00:22:03,839 –> 00:22:06,229
you an anecdote from a few years ago I
was basically working as a subject
1270
00:22:06,229 –> 00:22:06,239
was basically working as a subject
1271
00:22:06,239 –> 00:22:08,299
was basically working as a subject
matter expert essentially instructor and
1272
00:22:08,299 –> 00:22:08,309
matter expert essentially instructor and
1273
00:22:08,309 –> 00:22:10,009
matter expert essentially instructor and
working with a military intelligence
1274
00:22:10,009 –> 00:22:10,019
working with a military intelligence
1275
00:22:10,019 –> 00:22:13,579
working with a military intelligence
unit that now purports to do what CIA
1276
00:22:13,579 –> 00:22:13,589
unit that now purports to do what CIA
1277
00:22:13,589 –> 00:22:16,519
unit that now purports to do what CIA
does in other words collect human source
1278
00:22:16,519 –> 00:22:16,529
does in other words collect human source
1279
00:22:16,529 –> 00:22:18,469
does in other words collect human source
strategic intelligence and I was
1280
00:22:18,469 –> 00:22:18,479
strategic intelligence and I was
1281
00:22:18,479 –> 00:22:19,580
strategic intelligence and I was
monitoring a scent
1282
00:22:19,580 –> 00:22:19,590
monitoring a scent
1283
00:22:19,590 –> 00:22:21,649
monitoring a scent
evaluating the quality of instruction
1284
00:22:21,649 –> 00:22:21,659
evaluating the quality of instruction
1285
00:22:21,659 –> 00:22:23,600
evaluating the quality of instruction
they are receiving which they are
1286
00:22:23,600 –> 00:22:23,610
they are receiving which they are
1287
00:22:23,610 –> 00:22:25,039
they are receiving which they are
receiving from a bunch of military
1288
00:22:25,039 –> 00:22:25,049
receiving from a bunch of military
1289
00:22:25,049 –> 00:22:27,640
receiving from a bunch of military
instructors who all purported to be
1290
00:22:27,640 –> 00:22:27,650
instructors who all purported to be
1291
00:22:27,650 –> 00:22:30,470
instructors who all purported to be
tradecraft experts so I’m watching
1292
00:22:30,470 –> 00:22:30,480
tradecraft experts so I’m watching
1293
00:22:30,480 –> 00:22:34,100
tradecraft experts so I’m watching
classes given by their cadre their
1294
00:22:34,100 –> 00:22:34,110
classes given by their cadre their
1295
00:22:34,110 –> 00:22:36,440
classes given by their cadre their
instructor cadre should be the best they
1296
00:22:36,440 –> 00:22:36,450
instructor cadre should be the best they
1297
00:22:36,450 –> 00:22:38,600
instructor cadre should be the best they
have teaching students to go out on the
1298
00:22:38,600 –> 00:22:38,610
have teaching students to go out on the
1299
00:22:38,610 –> 00:22:40,970
have teaching students to go out on the
ground and do what you and I used to do
1300
00:22:40,970 –> 00:22:40,980
ground and do what you and I used to do
1301
00:22:40,980 –> 00:22:43,039
ground and do what you and I used to do
and the subject on this particular day
1302
00:22:43,039 –> 00:22:43,049
and the subject on this particular day
1303
00:22:43,049 –> 00:22:44,659
and the subject on this particular day
and I won’t go into any details of
1304
00:22:44,659 –> 00:22:44,669
and I won’t go into any details of
1305
00:22:44,669 –> 00:22:46,730
and I won’t go into any details of
sources and methods but has to do with
1306
00:22:46,730 –> 00:22:46,740
sources and methods but has to do with
1307
00:22:46,740 –> 00:22:48,380
sources and methods but has to do with
surveillance detection so they’re
1308
00:22:48,380 –> 00:22:48,390
surveillance detection so they’re
1309
00:22:48,390 –> 00:22:50,600
surveillance detection so they’re
training these guys on this day in a
1310
00:22:50,600 –> 00:22:50,610
training these guys on this day in a
1311
00:22:50,610 –> 00:22:53,360
training these guys on this day in a
classroom setting their techniques for
1312
00:22:53,360 –> 00:22:53,370
classroom setting their techniques for
1313
00:22:53,370 –> 00:22:55,310
classroom setting their techniques for
determining whether you’re under
1314
00:22:55,310 –> 00:22:55,320
determining whether you’re under
1315
00:22:55,320 –> 00:22:57,289
determining whether you’re under
surveillance when you’re abroad whether
1316
00:22:57,289 –> 00:22:57,299
surveillance when you’re abroad whether
1317
00:22:57,299 –> 00:22:59,110
surveillance when you’re abroad whether
the bad guys are watching you and
1318
00:22:59,110 –> 00:22:59,120
the bad guys are watching you and
1319
00:22:59,120 –> 00:23:01,789
the bad guys are watching you and
frankly I’m listening to the instruction
1320
00:23:01,789 –> 00:23:01,799
frankly I’m listening to the instruction
1321
00:23:01,799 –> 00:23:03,649
frankly I’m listening to the instruction
and the longer it goes on the more
1322
00:23:03,649 –> 00:23:03,659
and the longer it goes on the more
1323
00:23:03,659 –> 00:23:06,590
and the longer it goes on the more
perplexed I become because there are all
1324
00:23:06,590 –> 00:23:06,600
perplexed I become because there are all
1325
00:23:06,600 –> 00:23:08,539
perplexed I become because there are all
sorts of things being thrown out as
1326
00:23:08,539 –> 00:23:08,549
sorts of things being thrown out as
1327
00:23:08,549 –> 00:23:11,600
sorts of things being thrown out as
doctrine or as techniques that neither
1328
00:23:11,600 –> 00:23:11,610
doctrine or as techniques that neither
1329
00:23:11,610 –> 00:23:14,960
doctrine or as techniques that neither
you nor I I’m sure would approve of that
1330
00:23:14,960 –> 00:23:14,970
you nor I I’m sure would approve of that
1331
00:23:14,970 –> 00:23:17,120
you nor I I’m sure would approve of that
longer the instruction goes on the more
1332
00:23:17,120 –> 00:23:17,130
longer the instruction goes on the more
1333
00:23:17,130 –> 00:23:20,570
longer the instruction goes on the more
confused I am and I’m sort of almost to
1334
00:23:20,570 –> 00:23:20,580
confused I am and I’m sort of almost to
1335
00:23:20,580 –> 00:23:22,399
confused I am and I’m sort of almost to
the point where despite the fact that in
1336
00:23:22,399 –> 00:23:22,409
the point where despite the fact that in
1337
00:23:22,409 –> 00:23:23,990
the point where despite the fact that in
this setting I’m just there as an
1338
00:23:23,990 –> 00:23:24,000
this setting I’m just there as an
1339
00:23:24,000 –> 00:23:26,090
this setting I’m just there as an
observer where I’m about to interrupt
1340
00:23:26,090 –> 00:23:26,100
observer where I’m about to interrupt
1341
00:23:26,100 –> 00:23:28,159
observer where I’m about to interrupt
the class because I just can’t take it
1342
00:23:28,159 –> 00:23:28,169
the class because I just can’t take it
1343
00:23:28,169 –> 00:23:28,760
the class because I just can’t take it
anymore
1344
00:23:28,760 –> 00:23:28,770
anymore
1345
00:23:28,770 –> 00:23:31,159
anymore
and one of the students asks some
1346
00:23:31,159 –> 00:23:31,169
and one of the students asks some
1347
00:23:31,169 –> 00:23:33,500
and one of the students asks some
questions and then a series of follow-up
1348
00:23:33,500 –> 00:23:33,510
questions and then a series of follow-up
1349
00:23:33,510 –> 00:23:35,779
questions and then a series of follow-up
questions and the instructor becomes
1350
00:23:35,779 –> 00:23:35,789
questions and the instructor becomes
1351
00:23:35,789 –> 00:23:38,720
questions and the instructor becomes
more and more uncomfortable and less and
1352
00:23:38,720 –> 00:23:38,730
more and more uncomfortable and less and
1353
00:23:38,730 –> 00:23:41,269
more and more uncomfortable and less and
less able to provide a coherent response
1354
00:23:41,269 –> 00:23:41,279
less able to provide a coherent response
1355
00:23:41,279 –> 00:23:43,789
less able to provide a coherent response
and finally the instructor says
1356
00:23:43,789 –> 00:23:43,799
and finally the instructor says
1357
00:23:43,799 –> 00:23:46,460
and finally the instructor says
something to the effect of well I can’t
1358
00:23:46,460 –> 00:23:46,470
something to the effect of well I can’t
1359
00:23:46,470 –> 00:23:48,320
something to the effect of well I can’t
answer that question because I’ve
1360
00:23:48,320 –> 00:23:48,330
answer that question because I’ve
1361
00:23:48,330 –> 00:23:50,570
answer that question because I’ve
actually never been under surveillance
1362
00:23:50,570 –> 00:23:50,580
actually never been under surveillance
1363
00:23:50,580 –> 00:23:53,750
actually never been under surveillance
on foreign soil I’ve never seen
1364
00:23:53,750 –> 00:23:53,760
on foreign soil I’ve never seen
1365
00:23:53,760 –> 00:23:56,299
on foreign soil I’ve never seen
surveillance and then this student says
1366
00:23:56,299 –> 00:23:56,309
surveillance and then this student says
1367
00:23:56,309 –> 00:23:57,950
surveillance and then this student says
something effective well because there
1368
00:23:57,950 –> 00:23:57,960
something effective well because there
1369
00:23:57,960 –> 00:23:59,240
something effective well because there
are four or five instructors in there
1370
00:23:59,240 –> 00:23:59,250
are four or five instructors in there
1371
00:23:59,250 –> 00:24:01,549
are four or five instructors in there
what about the rest of you and they all
1372
00:24:01,549 –> 00:24:01,559
what about the rest of you and they all
1373
00:24:01,559 –> 00:24:03,950
what about the rest of you and they all
then own up to the fact that not a
1374
00:24:03,950 –> 00:24:03,960
then own up to the fact that not a
1375
00:24:03,960 –> 00:24:06,340
then own up to the fact that not a
single one of them has ever been
1376
00:24:06,340 –> 00:24:06,350
single one of them has ever been
1377
00:24:06,350 –> 00:24:08,960
single one of them has ever been
operational on foreign soil in an
1378
00:24:08,960 –> 00:24:08,970
operational on foreign soil in an
1379
00:24:08,970 –> 00:24:10,909
operational on foreign soil in an
environment where there was hostile
1380
00:24:10,909 –> 00:24:10,919
environment where there was hostile
1381
00:24:10,919 –> 00:24:13,060
environment where there was hostile
surveillance and yet they are
1382
00:24:13,060 –> 00:24:13,070
surveillance and yet they are
1383
00:24:13,070 –> 00:24:16,399
surveillance and yet they are
instructing as if they are experts and
1384
00:24:16,399 –> 00:24:16,409
instructing as if they are experts and
1385
00:24:16,409 –> 00:24:18,080
instructing as if they are experts and
you realize actually there’s not a
1386
00:24:18,080 –> 00:24:18,090
you realize actually there’s not a
1387
00:24:18,090 –> 00:24:20,299
you realize actually there’s not a
single person in this room outside of
1388
00:24:20,299 –> 00:24:20,309
single person in this room outside of
1389
00:24:20,309 –> 00:24:22,000
single person in this room outside of
myself who has actually ever
1390
00:24:22,000 –> 00:24:22,010
myself who has actually ever
1391
00:24:22,010 –> 00:24:25,070
myself who has actually ever
operationally done really anything on
1392
00:24:25,070 –> 00:24:25,080
operationally done really anything on
1393
00:24:25,080 –> 00:24:27,620
operationally done really anything on
foreign soil and yet there’s between
1394
00:24:27,620 –> 00:24:27,630
foreign soil and yet there’s between
1395
00:24:27,630 –> 00:24:29,720
foreign soil and yet there’s between
students and instructors thirty people
1396
00:24:29,720 –> 00:24:29,730
students and instructors thirty people
1397
00:24:29,730 –> 00:24:31,639
students and instructors thirty people
sitting in this room all of whom
1398
00:24:31,639 –> 00:24:31,649
sitting in this room all of whom
1399
00:24:31,649 –> 00:24:32,870
sitting in this room all of whom
theoretically
1400
00:24:32,870 –> 00:24:32,880
theoretically
1401
00:24:32,880 –> 00:24:35,270
theoretically
represent themselves as case officers
1402
00:24:35,270 –> 00:24:35,280
represent themselves as case officers
1403
00:24:35,280 –> 00:24:38,060
represent themselves as case officers
and on somebody’s books somewhere this
1404
00:24:38,060 –> 00:24:38,070
and on somebody’s books somewhere this
1405
00:24:38,070 –> 00:24:41,450
and on somebody’s books somewhere this
is a an alleged capability of the US
1406
00:24:41,450 –> 00:24:41,460
is a an alleged capability of the US
1407
00:24:41,460 –> 00:24:43,220
is a an alleged capability of the US
government and it’s back to something
1408
00:24:43,220 –> 00:24:43,230
government and it’s back to something
1409
00:24:43,230 –> 00:24:45,710
government and it’s back to something
that you hit on earlier which is you
1410
00:24:45,710 –> 00:24:45,720
that you hit on earlier which is you
1411
00:24:45,720 –> 00:24:47,090
that you hit on earlier which is you
know there is really a fundamental
1412
00:24:47,090 –> 00:24:47,100
know there is really a fundamental
1413
00:24:47,100 –> 00:24:50,150
know there is really a fundamental
difference between case officers and ops
1414
00:24:50,150 –> 00:24:50,160
difference between case officers and ops
1415
00:24:50,160 –> 00:24:52,670
difference between case officers and ops
officers and analysts and not everybody
1416
00:24:52,670 –> 00:24:52,680
officers and analysts and not everybody
1417
00:24:52,680 –> 00:24:54,920
officers and analysts and not everybody
can be an OPS of sir and not everybody
1418
00:24:54,920 –> 00:24:54,930
can be an OPS of sir and not everybody
1419
00:24:54,930 –> 00:24:57,770
can be an OPS of sir and not everybody
has the skills and not everybody can do
1420
00:24:57,770 –> 00:24:57,780
has the skills and not everybody can do
1421
00:24:57,780 –> 00:24:59,870
has the skills and not everybody can do
this job and trying to make everybody
1422
00:24:59,870 –> 00:24:59,880
this job and trying to make everybody
1423
00:24:59,880 –> 00:25:02,000
this job and trying to make everybody
fungible and focusing on political
1424
00:25:02,000 –> 00:25:02,010
fungible and focusing on political
1425
00:25:02,010 –> 00:25:05,150
fungible and focusing on political
correctness and mass producing this you
1426
00:25:05,150 –> 00:25:05,160
correctness and mass producing this you
1427
00:25:05,160 –> 00:25:06,800
correctness and mass producing this you
know we’re back to where you started
1428
00:25:06,800 –> 00:25:06,810
know we’re back to where you started
1429
00:25:06,810 –> 00:25:09,560
know we’re back to where you started
your discussion bloat thousands and
1430
00:25:09,560 –> 00:25:09,570
your discussion bloat thousands and
1431
00:25:09,570 –> 00:25:11,540
your discussion bloat thousands and
thousands of people and millions and
1432
00:25:11,540 –> 00:25:11,550
thousands of people and millions and
1433
00:25:11,550 –> 00:25:14,000
thousands of people and millions and
millions of dollars and then I’m sitting
1434
00:25:14,000 –> 00:25:14,010
millions of dollars and then I’m sitting
1435
00:25:14,010 –> 00:25:16,250
millions of dollars and then I’m sitting
in a room and there’s probably we didn’t
1436
00:25:16,250 –> 00:25:16,260
in a room and there’s probably we didn’t
1437
00:25:16,260 –> 00:25:18,230
in a room and there’s probably we didn’t
go into this but probably not only have
1438
00:25:18,230 –> 00:25:18,240
go into this but probably not only have
1439
00:25:18,240 –> 00:25:20,090
go into this but probably not only have
none of these guys ever run a real
1440
00:25:20,090 –> 00:25:20,100
none of these guys ever run a real
1441
00:25:20,100 –> 00:25:21,500
none of these guys ever run a real
surveillance detection route but
1442
00:25:21,500 –> 00:25:21,510
surveillance detection route but
1443
00:25:21,510 –> 00:25:23,240
surveillance detection route but
probably not a single one of them have
1444
00:25:23,240 –> 00:25:23,250
probably not a single one of them have
1445
00:25:23,250 –> 00:25:25,130
probably not a single one of them have
ever actually recruited a source either
1446
00:25:25,130 –> 00:25:25,140
ever actually recruited a source either
1447
00:25:25,140 –> 00:25:27,290
ever actually recruited a source either
and yet they’re all claiming that
1448
00:25:27,290 –> 00:25:27,300
and yet they’re all claiming that
1449
00:25:27,300 –> 00:25:29,300
and yet they’re all claiming that
they’re spies and that to me was kind of
1450
00:25:29,300 –> 00:25:29,310
they’re spies and that to me was kind of
1451
00:25:29,310 –> 00:25:31,730
they’re spies and that to me was kind of
a microcosm of where we are so it really
1452
00:25:31,730 –> 00:25:31,740
a microcosm of where we are so it really
1453
00:25:31,740 –> 00:25:33,080
a microcosm of where we are so it really
resonates me when you start talking
1454
00:25:33,080 –> 00:25:33,090
resonates me when you start talking
1455
00:25:33,090 –> 00:25:34,670
resonates me when you start talking
about let’s you know sort of I’m putting
1456
00:25:34,670 –> 00:25:34,680
about let’s you know sort of I’m putting
1457
00:25:34,680 –> 00:25:36,140
about let’s you know sort of I’m putting
words in your mouth or a certain simple
1458
00:25:36,140 –> 00:25:36,150
words in your mouth or a certain simple
1459
00:25:36,150 –> 00:25:38,270
words in your mouth or a certain simple
let’s get back to basics and actually
1460
00:25:38,270 –> 00:25:38,280
let’s get back to basics and actually
1461
00:25:38,280 –> 00:25:41,180
let’s get back to basics and actually
doing the job yes I would agree
1462
00:25:41,180 –> 00:25:41,190
doing the job yes I would agree
1463
00:25:41,190 –> 00:25:43,220
doing the job yes I would agree
completely and I’ve sat in some of those
1464
00:25:43,220 –> 00:25:43,230
completely and I’ve sat in some of those
1465
00:25:43,230 –> 00:25:46,250
completely and I’ve sat in some of those
classrooms too and all I not to merge
1466
00:25:46,250 –> 00:25:46,260
classrooms too and all I not to merge
1467
00:25:46,260 –> 00:25:49,160
classrooms too and all I not to merge
the military in any way because I enjoy
1468
00:25:49,160 –> 00:25:49,170
the military in any way because I enjoy
1469
00:25:49,170 –> 00:25:50,960
the military in any way because I enjoy
working with military particularly which
1470
00:25:50,960 –> 00:25:50,970
working with military particularly which
1471
00:25:50,970 –> 00:25:53,660
working with military particularly which
is not commonly known but the Army
1472
00:25:53,660 –> 00:25:53,670
is not commonly known but the Army
1473
00:25:53,670 –> 00:25:55,400
is not commonly known but the Army
Special Forces is the sister
1474
00:25:55,400 –> 00:25:55,410
Special Forces is the sister
1475
00:25:55,410 –> 00:25:57,320
Special Forces is the sister
organization of the CIA so in many ways
1476
00:25:57,320 –> 00:25:57,330
organization of the CIA so in many ways
1477
00:25:57,330 –> 00:25:59,210
organization of the CIA so in many ways
we beat the same languages and there’s a
1478
00:25:59,210 –> 00:25:59,220
we beat the same languages and there’s a
1479
00:25:59,220 –> 00:26:01,580
we beat the same languages and there’s a
lot of overlap they taking on the direct
1480
00:26:01,580 –> 00:26:01,590
lot of overlap they taking on the direct
1481
00:26:01,590 –> 00:26:04,190
lot of overlap they taking on the direct
you know kinetic energy delivery system
1482
00:26:04,190 –> 00:26:04,200
you know kinetic energy delivery system
1483
00:26:04,200 –> 00:26:06,170
you know kinetic energy delivery system
you know aspect of the Espionage
1484
00:26:06,170 –> 00:26:06,180
you know aspect of the Espionage
1485
00:26:06,180 –> 00:26:08,390
you know aspect of the Espionage
business where we kind of stuck with the
1486
00:26:08,390 –> 00:26:08,400
business where we kind of stuck with the
1487
00:26:08,400 –> 00:26:10,310
business where we kind of stuck with the
pure espionage part of it where the
1488
00:26:10,310 –> 00:26:10,320
pure espionage part of it where the
1489
00:26:10,320 –> 00:26:12,200
pure espionage part of it where the
intelligence information things I’m
1490
00:26:12,200 –> 00:26:12,210
intelligence information things I’m
1491
00:26:12,210 –> 00:26:14,150
intelligence information things I’m
praising it’s very loosely not in not to
1492
00:26:14,150 –> 00:26:14,160
praising it’s very loosely not in not to
1493
00:26:14,160 –> 00:26:15,740
praising it’s very loosely not in not to
get into too much detail about either
1494
00:26:15,740 –> 00:26:15,750
get into too much detail about either
1495
00:26:15,750 –> 00:26:17,690
get into too much detail about either
but yeah and it’s it’s one of the
1496
00:26:17,690 –> 00:26:17,700
but yeah and it’s it’s one of the
1497
00:26:17,700 –> 00:26:19,580
but yeah and it’s it’s one of the
problems when you get to not so much
1498
00:26:19,580 –> 00:26:19,590
problems when you get to not so much
1499
00:26:19,590 –> 00:26:21,290
problems when you get to not so much
SOCOM not so much the Special Forces
1500
00:26:21,290 –> 00:26:21,300
SOCOM not so much the Special Forces
1501
00:26:21,300 –> 00:26:23,420
SOCOM not so much the Special Forces
guys but when you get to big green or
1502
00:26:23,420 –> 00:26:23,430
guys but when you get to big green or
1503
00:26:23,430 –> 00:26:25,430
guys but when you get to big green or
any of the other you know arms of the
1504
00:26:25,430 –> 00:26:25,440
any of the other you know arms of the
1505
00:26:25,440 –> 00:26:27,500
any of the other you know arms of the
military you’ve got these guys that have
1506
00:26:27,500 –> 00:26:27,510
military you’ve got these guys that have
1507
00:26:27,510 –> 00:26:29,060
military you’ve got these guys that have
moved up and they think in big numbers
1508
00:26:29,060 –> 00:26:29,070
moved up and they think in big numbers
1509
00:26:29,070 –> 00:26:30,830
moved up and they think in big numbers
and lost people and all of that and
1510
00:26:30,830 –> 00:26:30,840
and lost people and all of that and
1511
00:26:30,840 –> 00:26:32,330
and lost people and all of that and
they’ll just say well you know put
1512
00:26:32,330 –> 00:26:32,340
they’ll just say well you know put
1513
00:26:32,340 –> 00:26:33,920
they’ll just say well you know put
together or some trained forty of those
1514
00:26:33,920 –> 00:26:33,930
together or some trained forty of those
1515
00:26:33,930 –> 00:26:35,420
together or some trained forty of those
guys and we’ll throw these guys together
1516
00:26:35,420 –> 00:26:35,430
guys and we’ll throw these guys together
1517
00:26:35,430 –> 00:26:36,980
guys and we’ll throw these guys together
and they’ve had some courses that
1518
00:26:36,980 –> 00:26:36,990
and they’ve had some courses that
1519
00:26:36,990 –> 00:26:38,570
and they’ve had some courses that
they’ve done you know that where the
1520
00:26:38,570 –> 00:26:38,580
they’ve done you know that where the
1521
00:26:38,580 –> 00:26:40,250
they’ve done you know that where the
Brits and different people have been
1522
00:26:40,250 –> 00:26:40,260
Brits and different people have been
1523
00:26:40,260 –> 00:26:41,960
Brits and different people have been
involved in different operations and
1524
00:26:41,960 –> 00:26:41,970
involved in different operations and
1525
00:26:41,970 –> 00:26:43,490
involved in different operations and
they had their experience and they get
1526
00:26:43,490 –> 00:26:43,500
they had their experience and they get
1527
00:26:43,500 –> 00:26:45,800
they had their experience and they get
and they’re they’ll go get this training
1528
00:26:45,800 –> 00:26:45,810
and they’re they’ll go get this training
1529
00:26:45,810 –> 00:26:46,180
and they’re they’ll go get this training
from the
1530
00:26:46,180 –> 00:26:46,190
from the
1531
00:26:46,190 –> 00:26:48,669
from the
I then come home and and and I’m I would
1532
00:26:48,669 –> 00:26:48,679
I then come home and and and I’m I would
1533
00:26:48,679 –> 00:26:50,980
I then come home and and and I’m I would
be 90% sure I can name the course that
1534
00:26:50,980 –> 00:26:50,990
be 90% sure I can name the course that
1535
00:26:50,990 –> 00:26:53,409
be 90% sure I can name the course that
does instructors took and I I won’t
1536
00:26:53,409 –> 00:26:53,419
does instructors took and I I won’t
1537
00:26:53,419 –> 00:26:55,299
does instructors took and I I won’t
identify it but I’m a name sister I can
1538
00:26:55,299 –> 00:26:55,309
identify it but I’m a name sister I can
1539
00:26:55,309 –> 00:26:57,039
identify it but I’m a name sister I can
tell exactly what course they took from
1540
00:26:57,039 –> 00:26:57,049
tell exactly what course they took from
1541
00:26:57,049 –> 00:26:58,740
tell exactly what course they took from
where they derive their you know
1542
00:26:58,740 –> 00:26:58,750
where they derive their you know
1543
00:26:58,750 –> 00:27:01,990
where they derive their you know
expertise and all of those sorts of
1544
00:27:01,990 –> 00:27:02,000
expertise and all of those sorts of
1545
00:27:02,000 –> 00:27:03,730
expertise and all of those sorts of
things too and it’s I think one of the
1546
00:27:03,730 –> 00:27:03,740
things too and it’s I think one of the
1547
00:27:03,740 –> 00:27:06,430
things too and it’s I think one of the
reasons why if you look at general
1548
00:27:06,430 –> 00:27:06,440
reasons why if you look at general
1549
00:27:06,440 –> 00:27:09,730
reasons why if you look at general
Donovan who founded and ran the OSS it
1550
00:27:09,730 –> 00:27:09,740
Donovan who founded and ran the OSS it
1551
00:27:09,740 –> 00:27:12,249
Donovan who founded and ran the OSS it
was one of the reasons and any letters
1552
00:27:12,249 –> 00:27:12,259
was one of the reasons and any letters
1553
00:27:12,259 –> 00:27:14,409
was one of the reasons and any letters
it was one of the reasons that he was
1554
00:27:14,409 –> 00:27:14,419
it was one of the reasons that he was
1555
00:27:14,419 –> 00:27:16,389
it was one of the reasons that he was
you know I thought it was a good idea to
1556
00:27:16,389 –> 00:27:16,399
you know I thought it was a good idea to
1557
00:27:16,399 –> 00:27:18,639
you know I thought it was a good idea to
split the CIA off to become a civilian
1558
00:27:18,639 –> 00:27:18,649
split the CIA off to become a civilian
1559
00:27:18,649 –> 00:27:20,860
split the CIA off to become a civilian
organization because the way of thinking
1560
00:27:20,860 –> 00:27:20,870
organization because the way of thinking
1561
00:27:20,870 –> 00:27:22,899
organization because the way of thinking
and and all its the military there’s a
1562
00:27:22,899 –> 00:27:22,909
and and all its the military there’s a
1563
00:27:22,909 –> 00:27:25,210
and and all its the military there’s a
lot of doctrine built into it you know
1564
00:27:25,210 –> 00:27:25,220
lot of doctrine built into it you know
1565
00:27:25,220 –> 00:27:27,460
lot of doctrine built into it you know
if we need artillery men will just go
1566
00:27:27,460 –> 00:27:27,470
if we need artillery men will just go
1567
00:27:27,470 –> 00:27:28,749
if we need artillery men will just go
and put these many guys through the
1568
00:27:28,749 –> 00:27:28,759
and put these many guys through the
1569
00:27:28,759 –> 00:27:30,249
and put these many guys through the
course until we have enough good ones to
1570
00:27:30,249 –> 00:27:30,259
course until we have enough good ones to
1571
00:27:30,259 –> 00:27:32,919
course until we have enough good ones to
go forward and espionage is not that
1572
00:27:32,919 –> 00:27:32,929
go forward and espionage is not that
1573
00:27:32,929 –> 00:27:35,169
go forward and espionage is not that
there’s no session on the operations in
1574
00:27:35,169 –> 00:27:35,179
there’s no session on the operations in
1575
00:27:35,179 –> 00:27:37,119
there’s no session on the operations in
of it is more of an art form than a
1576
00:27:37,119 –> 00:27:37,129
of it is more of an art form than a
1577
00:27:37,129 –> 00:27:39,340
of it is more of an art form than a
science so it doesn’t lend itself to
1578
00:27:39,340 –> 00:27:39,350
science so it doesn’t lend itself to
1579
00:27:39,350 –> 00:27:42,430
science so it doesn’t lend itself to
that and adapt well and so this these
1580
00:27:42,430 –> 00:27:42,440
that and adapt well and so this these
1581
00:27:42,440 –> 00:27:44,320
that and adapt well and so this these
things that you have to do to be good at
1582
00:27:44,320 –> 00:27:44,330
things that you have to do to be good at
1583
00:27:44,330 –> 00:27:46,240
things that you have to do to be good at
espionage are not the type of things
1584
00:27:46,240 –> 00:27:46,250
espionage are not the type of things
1585
00:27:46,250 –> 00:27:48,159
espionage are not the type of things
that are what you’re good at being a
1586
00:27:48,159 –> 00:27:48,169
that are what you’re good at being a
1587
00:27:48,169 –> 00:27:50,080
that are what you’re good at being a
military office and I think Donovan
1588
00:27:50,080 –> 00:27:50,090
military office and I think Donovan
1589
00:27:50,090 –> 00:27:52,450
military office and I think Donovan
recognized that if you looked at his old
1590
00:27:52,450 –> 00:27:52,460
recognized that if you looked at his old
1591
00:27:52,460 –> 00:27:54,009
recognized that if you looked at his old
books that people have wrote there’s one
1592
00:27:54,009 –> 00:27:54,019
books that people have wrote there’s one
1593
00:27:54,019 –> 00:27:56,619
books that people have wrote there’s one
written by a a man who is OSS originally
1594
00:27:56,619 –> 00:27:56,629
written by a a man who is OSS originally
1595
00:27:56,629 –> 00:27:58,330
written by a a man who is OSS originally
it’s called I think someone stepped on
1596
00:27:58,330 –> 00:27:58,340
it’s called I think someone stepped on
1597
00:27:58,340 –> 00:28:01,360
it’s called I think someone stepped on
my cloak and Ely a CIA officer but he
1598
00:28:01,360 –> 00:28:01,370
my cloak and Ely a CIA officer but he
1599
00:28:01,370 –> 00:28:03,369
my cloak and Ely a CIA officer but he
was writing about his OSS experiences
1600
00:28:03,369 –> 00:28:03,379
was writing about his OSS experiences
1601
00:28:03,379 –> 00:28:05,049
was writing about his OSS experiences
and the things that he did is part of
1602
00:28:05,049 –> 00:28:05,059
and the things that he did is part of
1603
00:28:05,059 –> 00:28:07,389
and the things that he did is part of
his training exercises and to qualify
1604
00:28:07,389 –> 00:28:07,399
his training exercises and to qualify
1605
00:28:07,399 –> 00:28:09,249
his training exercises and to qualify
and all of that they were just wildly
1606
00:28:09,249 –> 00:28:09,259
and all of that they were just wildly
1607
00:28:09,259 –> 00:28:11,289
and all of that they were just wildly
off off books you know they’re just
1608
00:28:11,289 –> 00:28:11,299
off off books you know they’re just
1609
00:28:11,299 –> 00:28:13,240
off off books you know they’re just
things that show that you fall into a
1610
00:28:13,240 –> 00:28:13,250
things that show that you fall into a
1611
00:28:13,250 –> 00:28:15,970
things that show that you fall into a
situation and just happen too many ways
1612
00:28:15,970 –> 00:28:15,980
situation and just happen too many ways
1613
00:28:15,980 –> 00:28:17,860
situation and just happen too many ways
and those are the types of talents you
1614
00:28:17,860 –> 00:28:17,870
and those are the types of talents you
1615
00:28:17,870 –> 00:28:19,749
and those are the types of talents you
look people are good at espionage and
1616
00:28:19,749 –> 00:28:19,759
look people are good at espionage and
1617
00:28:19,759 –> 00:28:21,129
look people are good at espionage and
those are not the type of things that
1618
00:28:21,129 –> 00:28:21,139
those are not the type of things that
1619
00:28:21,139 –> 00:28:22,840
those are not the type of things that
you look for out of the military to make
1620
00:28:22,840 –> 00:28:22,850
you look for out of the military to make
1621
00:28:22,850 –> 00:28:24,399
you look for out of the military to make
that make a good officer so they’re just
1622
00:28:24,399 –> 00:28:24,409
that make a good officer so they’re just
1623
00:28:24,409 –> 00:28:27,310
that make a good officer so they’re just
such completely different areas of
1624
00:28:27,310 –> 00:28:27,320
such completely different areas of
1625
00:28:27,320 –> 00:28:29,950
such completely different areas of
development not everyone can be
1626
00:28:29,950 –> 00:28:29,960
development not everyone can be
1627
00:28:29,960 –> 00:28:31,240
development not everyone can be
everything and as you mentioned not
1628
00:28:31,240 –> 00:28:31,250
everything and as you mentioned not
1629
00:28:31,250 –> 00:28:33,310
everything and as you mentioned not
everyone makes a good case officer or
1630
00:28:33,310 –> 00:28:33,320
everyone makes a good case officer or
1631
00:28:33,320 –> 00:28:36,580
everyone makes a good case officer or
you know ops officer at just as a lot of
1632
00:28:36,580 –> 00:28:36,590
you know ops officer at just as a lot of
1633
00:28:36,590 –> 00:28:38,230
you know ops officer at just as a lot of
people don’t make good analysts and a
1634
00:28:38,230 –> 00:28:38,240
people don’t make good analysts and a
1635
00:28:38,240 –> 00:28:39,580
people don’t make good analysts and a
lot of people don’t make good military
1636
00:28:39,580 –> 00:28:39,590
lot of people don’t make good military
1637
00:28:39,590 –> 00:28:41,139
lot of people don’t make good military
officers it’s just those are different
1638
00:28:41,139 –> 00:28:41,149
officers it’s just those are different
1639
00:28:41,149 –> 00:28:42,909
officers it’s just those are different
skill sets and law enforcement and all
1640
00:28:42,909 –> 00:28:42,919
skill sets and law enforcement and all
1641
00:28:42,919 –> 00:28:44,950
skill sets and law enforcement and all
these things they’re separate skill sets
1642
00:28:44,950 –> 00:28:44,960
these things they’re separate skill sets
1643
00:28:44,960 –> 00:28:47,619
these things they’re separate skill sets
and it would be extraordinarily rare for
1644
00:28:47,619 –> 00:28:47,629
and it would be extraordinarily rare for
1645
00:28:47,629 –> 00:28:50,110
and it would be extraordinarily rare for
any one person to be a truly gifted at
1646
00:28:50,110 –> 00:28:50,120
any one person to be a truly gifted at
1647
00:28:50,120 –> 00:28:51,999
any one person to be a truly gifted at
all of those so you want the selection
1648
00:28:51,999 –> 00:28:52,009
all of those so you want the selection
1649
00:28:52,009 –> 00:28:53,740
all of those so you want the selection
problem pick out people who are good at
1650
00:28:53,740 –> 00:28:53,750
problem pick out people who are good at
1651
00:28:53,750 –> 00:28:55,869
problem pick out people who are good at
it and you’re right we just don’t do
1652
00:28:55,869 –> 00:28:55,879
it and you’re right we just don’t do
1653
00:28:55,879 –> 00:28:56,710
it and you’re right we just don’t do
that anymore
1654
00:28:56,710 –> 00:28:56,720
that anymore
1655
00:28:56,720 –> 00:29:00,010
that anymore
I would 10 fingers leo because what that
1656
00:29:00,010 –> 00:29:00,020
I would 10 fingers leo because what that
1657
00:29:00,020 –> 00:29:01,900
I would 10 fingers leo because what that
would now I’m not saying that that was
1658
00:29:01,900 –> 00:29:01,910
would now I’m not saying that that was
1659
00:29:01,910 –> 00:29:03,760
would now I’m not saying that that was
all bad it’s done some things that were
1660
00:29:03,760 –> 00:29:03,770
all bad it’s done some things that were
1661
00:29:03,770 –> 00:29:05,980
all bad it’s done some things that were
good too but one of the things it’s done
1662
00:29:05,980 –> 00:29:05,990
good too but one of the things it’s done
1663
00:29:05,990 –> 00:29:08,470
good too but one of the things it’s done
that’s bad is it doesn’t let you use
1664
00:29:08,470 –> 00:29:08,480
that’s bad is it doesn’t let you use
1665
00:29:08,480 –> 00:29:10,330
that’s bad is it doesn’t let you use
sometimes perform interior because
1666
00:29:10,330 –> 00:29:10,340
sometimes perform interior because
1667
00:29:10,340 –> 00:29:12,310
sometimes perform interior because
performance criteria doesn’t necessarily
1668
00:29:12,310 –> 00:29:12,320
performance criteria doesn’t necessarily
1669
00:29:12,320 –> 00:29:15,220
performance criteria doesn’t necessarily
give you the answer one yo demands that
1670
00:29:15,220 –> 00:29:15,230
give you the answer one yo demands that
1671
00:29:15,230 –> 00:29:17,500
give you the answer one yo demands that
you get you know results that match the
1672
00:29:17,500 –> 00:29:17,510
you get you know results that match the
1673
00:29:17,510 –> 00:29:20,620
you get you know results that match the
population demographics and those two
1674
00:29:20,620 –> 00:29:20,630
population demographics and those two
1675
00:29:20,630 –> 00:29:23,410
population demographics and those two
things just don’t necessarily match and
1676
00:29:23,410 –> 00:29:23,420
things just don’t necessarily match and
1677
00:29:23,420 –> 00:29:25,240
things just don’t necessarily match and
so of course what’s happened as a result
1678
00:29:25,240 –> 00:29:25,250
so of course what’s happened as a result
1679
00:29:25,250 –> 00:29:27,430
so of course what’s happened as a result
as they withdraw those the performance
1680
00:29:27,430 –> 00:29:27,440
as they withdraw those the performance
1681
00:29:27,440 –> 00:29:30,400
as they withdraw those the performance
criteria in favor of the EEO criteria so
1682
00:29:30,400 –> 00:29:30,410
criteria in favor of the EEO criteria so
1683
00:29:30,410 –> 00:29:32,530
criteria in favor of the EEO criteria so
it has it’s it’s a two-edged sword and
1684
00:29:32,530 –> 00:29:32,540
it has it’s it’s a two-edged sword and
1685
00:29:32,540 –> 00:29:34,330
it has it’s it’s a two-edged sword and
and that can certainly be refined in
1686
00:29:34,330 –> 00:29:34,340
and that can certainly be refined in
1687
00:29:34,340 –> 00:29:35,560
and that can certainly be refined in
some ways that would help you know
1688
00:29:35,560 –> 00:29:35,570
some ways that would help you know
1689
00:29:35,570 –> 00:29:37,690
some ways that would help you know
performance issues what floats to the
1690
00:29:37,690 –> 00:29:37,700
performance issues what floats to the
1691
00:29:37,700 –> 00:29:39,640
performance issues what floats to the
top versus some what sort of political
1692
00:29:39,640 –> 00:29:39,650
top versus some what sort of political
1693
00:29:39,650 –> 00:29:41,380
top versus some what sort of political
criteria that floats at the top one of
1694
00:29:41,380 –> 00:29:41,390
criteria that floats at the top one of
1695
00:29:41,390 –> 00:29:42,850
criteria that floats at the top one of
the many issues they’re out there that
1696
00:29:42,850 –> 00:29:42,860
the many issues they’re out there that
1697
00:29:42,860 –> 00:29:45,010
the many issues they’re out there that
we’re facing yeah well I mean it and to
1698
00:29:45,010 –> 00:29:45,020
we’re facing yeah well I mean it and to
1699
00:29:45,020 –> 00:29:47,650
we’re facing yeah well I mean it and to
be clear I mean on my example is focused
1700
00:29:47,650 –> 00:29:47,660
be clear I mean on my example is focused
1701
00:29:47,660 –> 00:29:49,630
be clear I mean on my example is focused
on the military and and I do have issues
1702
00:29:49,630 –> 00:29:49,640
on the military and and I do have issues
1703
00:29:49,640 –> 00:29:50,799
on the military and and I do have issues
with the military I may come from a
1704
00:29:50,799 –> 00:29:50,809
with the military I may come from a
1705
00:29:50,809 –> 00:29:52,270
with the military I may come from a
military family I was a military officer
1706
00:29:52,270 –> 00:29:52,280
military family I was a military officer
1707
00:29:52,280 –> 00:29:54,640
military family I was a military officer
so there’s the US military is a great
1708
00:29:54,640 –> 00:29:54,650
so there’s the US military is a great
1709
00:29:54,650 –> 00:29:57,280
so there’s the US military is a great
institution I’m not a big fan of them
1710
00:29:57,280 –> 00:29:57,290
institution I’m not a big fan of them
1711
00:29:57,290 –> 00:29:59,049
institution I’m not a big fan of them
trying to duplicate the mission of the
1712
00:29:59,049 –> 00:29:59,059
trying to duplicate the mission of the
1713
00:29:59,059 –> 00:30:00,850
trying to duplicate the mission of the
Central Intelligence Agency but as
1714
00:30:00,850 –> 00:30:00,860
Central Intelligence Agency but as
1715
00:30:00,860 –> 00:30:02,500
Central Intelligence Agency but as
you’ve indicated at multiple points in
1716
00:30:02,500 –> 00:30:02,510
you’ve indicated at multiple points in
1717
00:30:02,510 –> 00:30:04,120
you’ve indicated at multiple points in
this talk even if we just –neck –neck
1718
00:30:04,120 –> 00:30:04,130
this talk even if we just –neck –neck
1719
00:30:04,130 –> 00:30:06,400
this talk even if we just –neck –neck
this down to let’s just talk about the
1720
00:30:06,400 –> 00:30:06,410
this down to let’s just talk about the
1721
00:30:06,410 –> 00:30:08,799
this down to let’s just talk about the
Central Intelligence Agency we have this
1722
00:30:08,799 –> 00:30:08,809
Central Intelligence Agency we have this
1723
00:30:08,809 –> 00:30:10,330
Central Intelligence Agency we have this
problem that you’ve identified quite
1724
00:30:10,330 –> 00:30:10,340
problem that you’ve identified quite
1725
00:30:10,340 –> 00:30:12,280
problem that you’ve identified quite
clearly which is sort of the idea that
1726
00:30:12,280 –> 00:30:12,290
clearly which is sort of the idea that
1727
00:30:12,290 –> 00:30:15,070
clearly which is sort of the idea that
anybody can be a case officer and that’s
1728
00:30:15,070 –> 00:30:15,080
anybody can be a case officer and that’s
1729
00:30:15,080 –> 00:30:17,380
anybody can be a case officer and that’s
not true when it’s not in fact the way
1730
00:30:17,380 –> 00:30:17,390
not true when it’s not in fact the way
1731
00:30:17,390 –> 00:30:19,870
not true when it’s not in fact the way
the CIA recruited and trained its people
1732
00:30:19,870 –> 00:30:19,880
the CIA recruited and trained its people
1733
00:30:19,880 –> 00:30:22,780
the CIA recruited and trained its people
for generations they recognized the case
1734
00:30:22,780 –> 00:30:22,790
for generations they recognized the case
1735
00:30:22,790 –> 00:30:24,820
for generations they recognized the case
officers or a unique breed and quite
1736
00:30:24,820 –> 00:30:24,830
officers or a unique breed and quite
1737
00:30:24,830 –> 00:30:27,700
officers or a unique breed and quite
frankly they recognized that even after
1738
00:30:27,700 –> 00:30:27,710
frankly they recognized that even after
1739
00:30:27,710 –> 00:30:30,669
frankly they recognized that even after
you’ve done your best recruiting process
1740
00:30:30,669 –> 00:30:30,679
you’ve done your best recruiting process
1741
00:30:30,679 –> 00:30:34,360
you’ve done your best recruiting process
and and training that then still in the
1742
00:30:34,360 –> 00:30:34,370
and and training that then still in the
1743
00:30:34,370 –> 00:30:37,000
and and training that then still in the
end only a small percentage of the
1744
00:30:37,000 –> 00:30:37,010
end only a small percentage of the
1745
00:30:37,010 –> 00:30:38,560
end only a small percentage of the
people that have made it through all
1746
00:30:38,560 –> 00:30:38,570
people that have made it through all
1747
00:30:38,570 –> 00:30:40,960
people that have made it through all
that actually really are successful I
1748
00:30:40,960 –> 00:30:40,970
that actually really are successful I
1749
00:30:40,970 –> 00:30:42,790
that actually really are successful I
mean one of the many old directorate of
1750
00:30:42,790 –> 00:30:42,800
mean one of the many old directorate of
1751
00:30:42,800 –> 00:30:45,580
mean one of the many old directorate of
operations adages with which i’m sure
1752
00:30:45,580 –> 00:30:45,590
operations adages with which i’m sure
1753
00:30:45,590 –> 00:30:47,799
operations adages with which i’m sure
you’re familiar is ten percent of the
1754
00:30:47,799 –> 00:30:47,809
you’re familiar is ten percent of the
1755
00:30:47,809 –> 00:30:49,750
you’re familiar is ten percent of the
guys do 90 percent of the recruiting
1756
00:30:49,750 –> 00:30:49,760
guys do 90 percent of the recruiting
1757
00:30:49,760 –> 00:30:52,540
guys do 90 percent of the recruiting
meaning out of all of us even in this
1758
00:30:52,540 –> 00:30:52,550
meaning out of all of us even in this
1759
00:30:52,550 –> 00:30:54,010
meaning out of all of us even in this
fraternity after we’ve made it through
1760
00:30:54,010 –> 00:30:54,020
fraternity after we’ve made it through
1761
00:30:54,020 –> 00:30:55,570
fraternity after we’ve made it through
training and selection and everything
1762
00:30:55,570 –> 00:30:55,580
training and selection and everything
1763
00:30:55,580 –> 00:30:57,430
training and selection and everything
else the reality is when you get
1764
00:30:57,430 –> 00:30:57,440
else the reality is when you get
1765
00:30:57,440 –> 00:30:59,830
else the reality is when you get
overseas and you’re really doing it for
1766
00:30:59,830 –> 00:30:59,840
overseas and you’re really doing it for
1767
00:30:59,840 –> 00:31:02,890
overseas and you’re really doing it for
real we’re now down to even within this
1768
00:31:02,890 –> 00:31:02,900
real we’re now down to even within this
1769
00:31:02,900 –> 00:31:05,260
real we’re now down to even within this
very small club a very small percentage
1770
00:31:05,260 –> 00:31:05,270
very small club a very small percentage
1771
00:31:05,270 –> 00:31:08,230
very small club a very small percentage
of guys who actually bring on the real
1772
00:31:08,230 –> 00:31:08,240
of guys who actually bring on the real
1773
00:31:08,240 –> 00:31:10,720
of guys who actually bring on the real
sources and really are really good at
1774
00:31:10,720 –> 00:31:10,730
sources and really are really good at
1775
00:31:10,730 –> 00:31:12,910
sources and really are really good at
this just because it’s such what you
1776
00:31:12,910 –> 00:31:12,920
this just because it’s such what you
1777
00:31:12,920 –> 00:31:15,310
this just because it’s such what you
earlier is an art form is exactly right
1778
00:31:15,310 –> 00:31:15,320
earlier is an art form is exactly right
1779
00:31:15,320 –> 00:31:18,400
earlier is an art form is exactly right
right it’s not a science its arcane it’s
1780
00:31:18,400 –> 00:31:18,410
right it’s not a science its arcane it’s
1781
00:31:18,410 –> 00:31:21,550
right it’s not a science its arcane it’s
I can’t make you a great painter I can
1782
00:31:21,550 –> 00:31:21,560
I can’t make you a great painter I can
1783
00:31:21,560 –> 00:31:23,680
I can’t make you a great painter I can
teach you some things that will help you
1784
00:31:23,680 –> 00:31:23,690
teach you some things that will help you
1785
00:31:23,690 –> 00:31:26,470
teach you some things that will help you
but if you don’t have that ability I
1786
00:31:26,470 –> 00:31:26,480
but if you don’t have that ability I
1787
00:31:26,480 –> 00:31:28,690
but if you don’t have that ability I
can’t fix that I would have loved to
1788
00:31:28,690 –> 00:31:28,700
can’t fix that I would have loved to
1789
00:31:28,700 –> 00:31:31,030
can’t fix that I would have loved to
have been an NFL quarterback that’s
1790
00:31:31,030 –> 00:31:31,040
have been an NFL quarterback that’s
1791
00:31:31,040 –> 00:31:33,610
have been an NFL quarterback that’s
wonderful let’s Sam really what’s not
1792
00:31:33,610 –> 00:31:33,620
wonderful let’s Sam really what’s not
1793
00:31:33,620 –> 00:31:35,620
wonderful let’s Sam really what’s not
too bad well it’s named Brad Johnson I
1794
00:31:35,620 –> 00:31:35,630
too bad well it’s named Brad Johnson I
1795
00:31:35,630 –> 00:31:37,480
too bad well it’s named Brad Johnson I
can I can make some claim to that the
1796
00:31:37,480 –> 00:31:37,490
can I can make some claim to that the
1797
00:31:37,490 –> 00:31:41,380
can I can make some claim to that the
moment you hear Washington you could say
1798
00:31:41,380 –> 00:31:41,390
moment you hear Washington you could say
1799
00:31:41,390 –> 00:31:43,480
moment you hear Washington you could say
that yeah you could protect you could at
1800
00:31:43,480 –> 00:31:43,490
that yeah you could protect you could at
1801
00:31:43,490 –> 00:31:49,600
that yeah you could protect you could at
least pretend you know I mean the bottom
1802
00:31:49,600 –> 00:31:49,610
least pretend you know I mean the bottom
1803
00:31:49,610 –> 00:31:51,940
least pretend you know I mean the bottom
line is you have the ability you have
1804
00:31:51,940 –> 00:31:51,950
line is you have the ability you have
1805
00:31:51,950 –> 00:31:54,370
line is you have the ability you have
the skills or you don’t I mean we can
1806
00:31:54,370 –> 00:31:54,380
the skills or you don’t I mean we can
1807
00:31:54,380 –> 00:31:56,440
the skills or you don’t I mean we can
make it better we can teach you things
1808
00:31:56,440 –> 00:31:56,450
make it better we can teach you things
1809
00:31:56,450 –> 00:31:59,830
make it better we can teach you things
but again you’re a gifted musician and a
1810
00:31:59,830 –> 00:31:59,840
but again you’re a gifted musician and a
1811
00:31:59,840 –> 00:32:02,290
but again you’re a gifted musician and a
gifted painter whatever we could go on
1812
00:32:02,290 –> 00:32:02,300
gifted painter whatever we could go on
1813
00:32:02,300 –> 00:32:04,140
gifted painter whatever we could go on
all day it’s it’s just not a
1814
00:32:04,140 –> 00:32:04,150
all day it’s it’s just not a
1815
00:32:04,150 –> 00:32:06,310
all day it’s it’s just not a
mass-producible thing and it sure as
1816
00:32:06,310 –> 00:32:06,320
mass-producible thing and it sure as
1817
00:32:06,320 –> 00:32:08,830
mass-producible thing and it sure as
heck not what it’s become a we’ll just
1818
00:32:08,830 –> 00:32:08,840
heck not what it’s become a we’ll just
1819
00:32:08,840 –> 00:32:10,660
heck not what it’s become a we’ll just
send you to the course and stamp you
1820
00:32:10,660 –> 00:32:10,670
send you to the course and stamp you
1821
00:32:10,670 –> 00:32:12,430
send you to the course and stamp you
with this in your file and you’ve now
1822
00:32:12,430 –> 00:32:12,440
with this in your file and you’ve now
1823
00:32:12,440 –> 00:32:15,340
with this in your file and you’ve now
constitute a spy it’s never work that
1824
00:32:15,340 –> 00:32:15,350
constitute a spy it’s never work that
1825
00:32:15,350 –> 00:32:18,100
constitute a spy it’s never work that
way that’s so absolutely correct and
1826
00:32:18,100 –> 00:32:18,110
way that’s so absolutely correct and
1827
00:32:18,110 –> 00:32:20,110
way that’s so absolutely correct and
it’s just just absolutely the truth I
1828
00:32:20,110 –> 00:32:20,120
it’s just just absolutely the truth I
1829
00:32:20,120 –> 00:32:21,940
it’s just just absolutely the truth I
would make a one correction in the
1830
00:32:21,940 –> 00:32:21,950
would make a one correction in the
1831
00:32:21,950 –> 00:32:22,930
would make a one correction in the
agency dying
1832
00:32:22,930 –> 00:32:22,940
agency dying
1833
00:32:22,940 –> 00:32:25,120
agency dying
I know the rule is kind of 90/10 that’s
1834
00:32:25,120 –> 00:32:25,130
I know the rule is kind of 90/10 that’s
1835
00:32:25,130 –> 00:32:26,710
I know the rule is kind of 90/10 that’s
how it’s discussed I would argue that
1836
00:32:26,710 –> 00:32:26,720
how it’s discussed I would argue that
1837
00:32:26,720 –> 00:32:29,830
how it’s discussed I would argue that
it’s much closer to 99.9 percent and
1838
00:32:29,830 –> 00:32:29,840
it’s much closer to 99.9 percent and
1839
00:32:29,840 –> 00:32:32,020
it’s much closer to 99.9 percent and
point 1 percent does the ninety nine
1840
00:32:32,020 –> 00:32:32,030
point 1 percent does the ninety nine
1841
00:32:32,030 –> 00:32:34,060
point 1 percent does the ninety nine
point nine work and the rest of the
1842
00:32:34,060 –> 00:32:34,070
point nine work and the rest of the
1843
00:32:34,070 –> 00:32:35,740
point nine work and the rest of the
people just don’t accomplish that much
1844
00:32:35,740 –> 00:32:35,750
people just don’t accomplish that much
1845
00:32:35,750 –> 00:32:37,420
people just don’t accomplish that much
now we’re specifically discussing
1846
00:32:37,420 –> 00:32:37,430
now we’re specifically discussing
1847
00:32:37,430 –> 00:32:39,550
now we’re specifically discussing
espionage into the things not you know
1848
00:32:39,550 –> 00:32:39,560
espionage into the things not you know
1849
00:32:39,560 –> 00:32:41,470
espionage into the things not you know
writing reports or whatever but yeah I
1850
00:32:41,470 –> 00:32:41,480
writing reports or whatever but yeah I
1851
00:32:41,480 –> 00:32:43,810
writing reports or whatever but yeah I
think that’s that’s a truism and it’s
1852
00:32:43,810 –> 00:32:43,820
think that’s that’s a truism and it’s
1853
00:32:43,820 –> 00:32:45,720
think that’s that’s a truism and it’s
unfortunate that we’ve been away from
1854
00:32:45,720 –> 00:32:45,730
unfortunate that we’ve been away from
1855
00:32:45,730 –> 00:32:48,160
unfortunate that we’ve been away from
developing those people like you say you
1856
00:32:48,160 –> 00:32:48,170
developing those people like you say you
1857
00:32:48,170 –> 00:32:49,930
developing those people like you say you
if you’re born with that particular
1858
00:32:49,930 –> 00:32:49,940
if you’re born with that particular
1859
00:32:49,940 –> 00:32:52,180
if you’re born with that particular
ability and it’s like you know a singing
1860
00:32:52,180 –> 00:32:52,190
ability and it’s like you know a singing
1861
00:32:52,190 –> 00:32:54,100
ability and it’s like you know a singing
voice people are born with great singing
1862
00:32:54,100 –> 00:32:54,110
voice people are born with great singing
1863
00:32:54,110 –> 00:32:56,710
voice people are born with great singing
voices most of us are not heard me sing
1864
00:32:56,710 –> 00:32:56,720
voices most of us are not heard me sing
1865
00:32:56,720 –> 00:32:58,960
voices most of us are not heard me sing
you would know that’s true and it’s just
1866
00:32:58,960 –> 00:32:58,970
you would know that’s true and it’s just
1867
00:32:58,970 –> 00:33:00,880
you would know that’s true and it’s just
it’s just the case it’s the sad reality
1868
00:33:00,880 –> 00:33:00,890
it’s just the case it’s the sad reality
1869
00:33:00,890 –> 00:33:03,250
it’s just the case it’s the sad reality
you know I would love to aspire to be a
1870
00:33:03,250 –> 00:33:03,260
you know I would love to aspire to be a
1871
00:33:03,260 –> 00:33:05,410
you know I would love to aspire to be a
famous opera singer but that ain’t gonna
1872
00:33:05,410 –> 00:33:05,420
famous opera singer but that ain’t gonna
1873
00:33:05,420 –> 00:33:07,810
famous opera singer but that ain’t gonna
happen my friends so it should it’s just
1874
00:33:07,810 –> 00:33:07,820
happen my friends so it should it’s just
1875
00:33:07,820 –> 00:33:10,360
happen my friends so it should it’s just
the way it is now I was naturally born
1876
00:33:10,360 –> 00:33:10,370
the way it is now I was naturally born
1877
00:33:10,370 –> 00:33:12,070
the way it is now I was naturally born
and very talented at the recruitment
1878
00:33:12,070 –> 00:33:12,080
and very talented at the recruitment
1879
00:33:12,080 –> 00:33:14,140
and very talented at the recruitment
into things and just did extraordinarily
1880
00:33:14,140 –> 00:33:14,150
into things and just did extraordinarily
1881
00:33:14,150 –> 00:33:16,420
into things and just did extraordinarily
well just something I was good at and
1882
00:33:16,420 –> 00:33:16,430
well just something I was good at and
1883
00:33:16,430 –> 00:33:18,640
well just something I was good at and
it’s one of those things I noticed it’s
1884
00:33:18,640 –> 00:33:18,650
it’s one of those things I noticed it’s
1885
00:33:18,650 –> 00:33:21,160
it’s one of those things I noticed it’s
very rare even within the ranks to see
1886
00:33:21,160 –> 00:33:21,170
very rare even within the ranks to see
1887
00:33:21,170 –> 00:33:23,950
very rare even within the ranks to see
much of that happen now it’s exacerbated
1888
00:33:23,950 –> 00:33:23,960
much of that happen now it’s exacerbated
1889
00:33:23,960 –> 00:33:26,889
much of that happen now it’s exacerbated
and made much worse by by what
1890
00:33:26,889 –> 00:33:26,899
and made much worse by by what
1891
00:33:26,899 –> 00:33:29,739
and made much worse by by what
seen happen under the former uh John
1892
00:33:29,739 –> 00:33:29,749
seen happen under the former uh John
1893
00:33:29,749 –> 00:33:30,879
seen happen under the former uh John
Brennan the former director of the CIA
1894
00:33:30,879 –> 00:33:30,889
Brennan the former director of the CIA
1895
00:33:30,889 –> 00:33:33,070
Brennan the former director of the CIA
John Brennan during the Obama years as
1896
00:33:33,070 –> 00:33:33,080
John Brennan during the Obama years as
1897
00:33:33,080 –> 00:33:35,739
John Brennan during the Obama years as
he famously went out on did this NPR
1898
00:33:35,739 –> 00:33:35,749
he famously went out on did this NPR
1899
00:33:35,749 –> 00:33:37,869
he famously went out on did this NPR
interview and talked about it publicly
1900
00:33:37,869 –> 00:33:37,879
interview and talked about it publicly
1901
00:33:37,879 –> 00:33:40,149
interview and talked about it publicly
this reorganization when she called the
1902
00:33:40,149 –> 00:33:40,159
this reorganization when she called the
1903
00:33:40,159 –> 00:33:42,759
this reorganization when she called the
modernization now some of that was good
1904
00:33:42,759 –> 00:33:42,769
modernization now some of that was good
1905
00:33:42,769 –> 00:33:45,219
modernization now some of that was good
that he did some things in the technical
1906
00:33:45,219 –> 00:33:45,229
that he did some things in the technical
1907
00:33:45,229 –> 00:33:47,680
that he did some things in the technical
fields collection and so on it was it
1908
00:33:47,680 –> 00:33:47,690
fields collection and so on it was it
1909
00:33:47,690 –> 00:33:49,239
fields collection and so on it was it
looks pretty good to me he hadn’t worked
1910
00:33:49,239 –> 00:33:49,249
looks pretty good to me he hadn’t worked
1911
00:33:49,249 –> 00:33:51,159
looks pretty good to me he hadn’t worked
on it there so haven’t seen the inside
1912
00:33:51,159 –> 00:33:51,169
on it there so haven’t seen the inside
1913
00:33:51,169 –> 00:33:53,019
on it there so haven’t seen the inside
of it but just from what I saw publicly
1914
00:33:53,019 –> 00:33:53,029
of it but just from what I saw publicly
1915
00:33:53,029 –> 00:33:55,060
of it but just from what I saw publicly
look pretty strong but on the weekend of
1916
00:33:55,060 –> 00:33:55,070
look pretty strong but on the weekend of
1917
00:33:55,070 –> 00:33:56,619
look pretty strong but on the weekend of
it what he did and and what you not
1918
00:33:56,619 –> 00:33:56,629
it what he did and and what you not
1919
00:33:56,629 –> 00:33:59,259
it what he did and and what you not
mentioning here is he did away creations
1920
00:33:59,259 –> 00:33:59,269
mentioning here is he did away creations
1921
00:33:59,269 –> 00:34:03,009
mentioning here is he did away creations
cadre ad general Schwarzkopf Stormin
1922
00:34:03,009 –> 00:34:03,019
cadre ad general Schwarzkopf Stormin
1923
00:34:03,019 –> 00:34:04,629
cadre ad general Schwarzkopf Stormin
Norman as everyone called him from the
1924
00:34:04,629 –> 00:34:04,639
Norman as everyone called him from the
1925
00:34:04,639 –> 00:34:07,180
Norman as everyone called him from the
first Iraq war who I unfortunately never
1926
00:34:07,180 –> 00:34:07,190
first Iraq war who I unfortunately never
1927
00:34:07,190 –> 00:34:09,549
first Iraq war who I unfortunately never
met before he passed away but everyone
1928
00:34:09,549 –> 00:34:09,559
met before he passed away but everyone
1929
00:34:09,559 –> 00:34:11,349
met before he passed away but everyone
who ever knew him that I’ve ever met
1930
00:34:11,349 –> 00:34:11,359
who ever knew him that I’ve ever met
1931
00:34:11,359 –> 00:34:13,180
who ever knew him that I’ve ever met
even his detractors have all kind of
1932
00:34:13,180 –> 00:34:13,190
even his detractors have all kind of
1933
00:34:13,190 –> 00:34:14,470
even his detractors have all kind of
admitted that he was absolutely
1934
00:34:14,470 –> 00:34:14,480
admitted that he was absolutely
1935
00:34:14,480 –> 00:34:18,339
admitted that he was absolutely
brilliant man a genius IQ guy and one of
1936
00:34:18,339 –> 00:34:18,349
brilliant man a genius IQ guy and one of
1937
00:34:18,349 –> 00:34:20,319
brilliant man a genius IQ guy and one of
the things he said during a number of
1938
00:34:20,319 –> 00:34:20,329
the things he said during a number of
1939
00:34:20,329 –> 00:34:22,869
the things he said during a number of
interviews that he he commented on back
1940
00:34:22,869 –> 00:34:22,879
interviews that he he commented on back
1941
00:34:22,879 –> 00:34:25,180
interviews that he he commented on back
in the day of the Iraq war that is stuck
1942
00:34:25,180 –> 00:34:25,190
in the day of the Iraq war that is stuck
1943
00:34:25,190 –> 00:34:27,490
in the day of the Iraq war that is stuck
with me is he commented about how good
1944
00:34:27,490 –> 00:34:27,500
with me is he commented about how good
1945
00:34:27,500 –> 00:34:30,970
with me is he commented about how good
the US military is the army because of
1946
00:34:30,970 –> 00:34:30,980
the US military is the army because of
1947
00:34:30,980 –> 00:34:34,510
the US military is the army because of
its combat Colonels and he said it takes
1948
00:34:34,510 –> 00:34:34,520
its combat Colonels and he said it takes
1949
00:34:34,520 –> 00:34:36,339
its combat Colonels and he said it takes
twenty years to build one of those
1950
00:34:36,339 –> 00:34:36,349
twenty years to build one of those
1951
00:34:36,349 –> 00:34:38,740
twenty years to build one of those
combat Colonels it takes a certain level
1952
00:34:38,740 –> 00:34:38,750
combat Colonels it takes a certain level
1953
00:34:38,750 –> 00:34:40,750
combat Colonels it takes a certain level
of experience and have to try all these
1954
00:34:40,750 –> 00:34:40,760
of experience and have to try all these
1955
00:34:40,760 –> 00:34:42,099
of experience and have to try all these
different things and they go through
1956
00:34:42,099 –> 00:34:42,109
different things and they go through
1957
00:34:42,109 –> 00:34:43,990
different things and they go through
this 20-year process and at the end
1958
00:34:43,990 –> 00:34:44,000
this 20-year process and at the end
1959
00:34:44,000 –> 00:34:46,809
this 20-year process and at the end
those guys that float to the top are all
1960
00:34:46,809 –> 00:34:46,819
those guys that float to the top are all
1961
00:34:46,819 –> 00:34:49,869
those guys that float to the top are all
performance fully capable combat colonel
1962
00:34:49,869 –> 00:34:49,879
performance fully capable combat colonel
1963
00:34:49,879 –> 00:34:51,849
performance fully capable combat colonel
that you need in order to win a war and
1964
00:34:51,849 –> 00:34:51,859
that you need in order to win a war and
1965
00:34:51,859 –> 00:34:53,200
that you need in order to win a war and
he just you were just made in a number
1966
00:34:53,200 –> 00:34:53,210
he just you were just made in a number
1967
00:34:53,210 –> 00:34:55,119
he just you were just made in a number
of comments about that twenty year
1968
00:34:55,119 –> 00:34:55,129
of comments about that twenty year
1969
00:34:55,129 –> 00:34:57,849
of comments about that twenty year
training process to create that guy at
1970
00:34:57,849 –> 00:34:57,859
training process to create that guy at
1971
00:34:57,859 –> 00:34:59,349
training process to create that guy at
the other end of it that’s so capable
1972
00:34:59,349 –> 00:34:59,359
the other end of it that’s so capable
1973
00:34:59,359 –> 00:35:01,630
the other end of it that’s so capable
and I would argue it’s precisely the
1974
00:35:01,630 –> 00:35:01,640
and I would argue it’s precisely the
1975
00:35:01,640 –> 00:35:03,849
and I would argue it’s precisely the
same thing in the operations feels the
1976
00:35:03,849 –> 00:35:03,859
same thing in the operations feels the
1977
00:35:03,859 –> 00:35:07,029
same thing in the operations feels the
intelligence espionage human field at
1978
00:35:07,029 –> 00:35:07,039
intelligence espionage human field at
1979
00:35:07,039 –> 00:35:10,150
intelligence espionage human field at
the CIA these people have to have the
1980
00:35:10,150 –> 00:35:10,160
the CIA these people have to have the
1981
00:35:10,160 –> 00:35:12,400
the CIA these people have to have the
talent to begin with the capability the
1982
00:35:12,400 –> 00:35:12,410
talent to begin with the capability the
1983
00:35:12,410 –> 00:35:13,839
talent to begin with the capability the
wherewithal and then they have to go
1984
00:35:13,839 –> 00:35:13,849
wherewithal and then they have to go
1985
00:35:13,849 –> 00:35:16,839
wherewithal and then they have to go
through that ear process of learning so
1986
00:35:16,839 –> 00:35:16,849
through that ear process of learning so
1987
00:35:16,849 –> 00:35:18,789
through that ear process of learning so
that at the end of it you’ve got a fully
1988
00:35:18,789 –> 00:35:18,799
that at the end of it you’ve got a fully
1989
00:35:18,799 –> 00:35:20,680
that at the end of it you’ve got a fully
capable guy that can make all the
1990
00:35:20,680 –> 00:35:20,690
capable guy that can make all the
1991
00:35:20,690 –> 00:35:22,299
capable guy that can make all the
decisions that need to be made in the
1992
00:35:22,299 –> 00:35:22,309
decisions that need to be made in the
1993
00:35:22,309 –> 00:35:23,950
decisions that need to be made in the
field those of course other people that
1994
00:35:23,950 –> 00:35:23,960
field those of course other people that
1995
00:35:23,960 –> 00:35:25,420
field those of course other people that
you’d want to be the Chiefs of stationed
1996
00:35:25,420 –> 00:35:25,430
you’d want to be the Chiefs of stationed
1997
00:35:25,430 –> 00:35:27,819
you’d want to be the Chiefs of stationed
in your large offices and so on that are
1998
00:35:27,819 –> 00:35:27,829
in your large offices and so on that are
1999
00:35:27,829 –> 00:35:29,680
in your large offices and so on that are
out there it’ll handle everything as it
2000
00:35:29,680 –> 00:35:29,690
out there it’ll handle everything as it
2001
00:35:29,690 –> 00:35:31,569
out there it’ll handle everything as it
comes up and make the right calls and
2002
00:35:31,569 –> 00:35:31,579
comes up and make the right calls and
2003
00:35:31,579 –> 00:35:34,029
comes up and make the right calls and
now with that completely gone yes
2004
00:35:34,029 –> 00:35:34,039
now with that completely gone yes
2005
00:35:34,039 –> 00:35:35,140
now with that completely gone yes
there’s people that are tabbed
2006
00:35:35,140 –> 00:35:35,150
there’s people that are tabbed
2007
00:35:35,150 –> 00:35:37,109
there’s people that are tabbed
operations but now with this sort of
2008
00:35:37,109 –> 00:35:37,119
operations but now with this sort of
2009
00:35:37,119 –> 00:35:39,549
operations but now with this sort of
one-size-fits-all anybody can do it
2010
00:35:39,549 –> 00:35:39,559
one-size-fits-all anybody can do it
2011
00:35:39,559 –> 00:35:40,810
one-size-fits-all anybody can do it
anybody can apply
2012
00:35:40,810 –> 00:35:40,820
anybody can apply
2013
00:35:40,820 –> 00:35:42,730
anybody can apply
I will put you through a chorus and you
2014
00:35:42,730 –> 00:35:42,740
I will put you through a chorus and you
2015
00:35:42,740 –> 00:35:44,200
I will put you through a chorus and you
come out the other end great you know
2016
00:35:44,200 –> 00:35:44,210
come out the other end great you know
2017
00:35:44,210 –> 00:35:47,890
come out the other end great you know
that just as it is can only fail and it
2018
00:35:47,890 –> 00:35:47,900
that just as it is can only fail and it
2019
00:35:47,900 –> 00:35:50,380
that just as it is can only fail and it
can only end up being disastrous and it
2020
00:35:50,380 –> 00:35:50,390
can only end up being disastrous and it
2021
00:35:50,390 –> 00:35:52,300
can only end up being disastrous and it
can only end up getting people killed it
2022
00:35:52,300 –> 00:35:52,310
can only end up getting people killed it
2023
00:35:52,310 –> 00:35:54,850
can only end up getting people killed it
cannot succeed it was one of those
2024
00:35:54,850 –> 00:35:54,860
cannot succeed it was one of those
2025
00:35:54,860 –> 00:35:57,430
cannot succeed it was one of those
things by one of the palms out of having
2026
00:35:57,430 –> 00:35:57,440
things by one of the palms out of having
2027
00:35:57,440 –> 00:35:59,980
things by one of the palms out of having
people like John who was just so
2028
00:35:59,980 –> 00:35:59,990
people like John who was just so
2029
00:35:59,990 –> 00:36:03,180
people like John who was just so
patently incapable of understanding the
2030
00:36:03,180 –> 00:36:03,190
patently incapable of understanding the
2031
00:36:03,190 –> 00:36:05,500
patently incapable of understanding the
responsibility that he was holding as
2032
00:36:05,500 –> 00:36:05,510
responsibility that he was holding as
2033
00:36:05,510 –> 00:36:07,540
responsibility that he was holding as
director of the CIA that he would come
2034
00:36:07,540 –> 00:36:07,550
director of the CIA that he would come
2035
00:36:07,550 –> 00:36:09,160
director of the CIA that he would come
up with these sorts of ideas
2036
00:36:09,160 –> 00:36:09,170
up with these sorts of ideas
2037
00:36:09,170 –> 00:36:12,040
up with these sorts of ideas
it’s a it’s a pity that people like just
2038
00:36:12,040 –> 00:36:12,050
it’s a it’s a pity that people like just
2039
00:36:12,050 –> 00:36:13,780
it’s a it’s a pity that people like just
such a lack of character and capability
2040
00:36:13,780 –> 00:36:13,790
such a lack of character and capability
2041
00:36:13,790 –> 00:36:16,060
such a lack of character and capability
it’s a position of power but it’s that
2042
00:36:16,060 –> 00:36:16,070
it’s a position of power but it’s that
2043
00:36:16,070 –> 00:36:18,220
it’s a position of power but it’s that
political reliability he was picked
2044
00:36:18,220 –> 00:36:18,230
political reliability he was picked
2045
00:36:18,230 –> 00:36:21,190
political reliability he was picked
because he was a loyal party apparatus
2046
00:36:21,190 –> 00:36:21,200
because he was a loyal party apparatus
2047
00:36:21,200 –> 00:36:22,990
because he was a loyal party apparatus
he wasn’t picked because he was somebody
2048
00:36:22,990 –> 00:36:23,000
he wasn’t picked because he was somebody
2049
00:36:23,000 –> 00:36:25,060
he wasn’t picked because he was somebody
good who’d done it a good job that was
2050
00:36:25,060 –> 00:36:25,070
good who’d done it a good job that was
2051
00:36:25,070 –> 00:36:27,100
good who’d done it a good job that was
not the criteria used to select him and
2052
00:36:27,100 –> 00:36:27,110
not the criteria used to select him and
2053
00:36:27,110 –> 00:36:28,090
not the criteria used to select him and
it’s one of the problems with the
2054
00:36:28,090 –> 00:36:28,100
it’s one of the problems with the
2055
00:36:28,100 –> 00:36:29,770
it’s one of the problems with the
political system today I’ve one more
2056
00:36:29,770 –> 00:36:29,780
political system today I’ve one more
2057
00:36:29,780 –> 00:36:32,440
political system today I’ve one more
little side issue and I think that that
2058
00:36:32,440 –> 00:36:32,450
little side issue and I think that that
2059
00:36:32,450 –> 00:36:34,930
little side issue and I think that that
the what happened with 9/11 the attacks
2060
00:36:34,930 –> 00:36:34,940
the what happened with 9/11 the attacks
2061
00:36:34,940 –> 00:36:37,150
the what happened with 9/11 the attacks
that we had on the Trade Towers was the
2062
00:36:37,150 –> 00:36:37,160
that we had on the Trade Towers was the
2063
00:36:37,160 –> 00:36:39,190
that we had on the Trade Towers was the
results of that are just a perfect case
2064
00:36:39,190 –> 00:36:39,200
results of that are just a perfect case
2065
00:36:39,200 –> 00:36:41,260
results of that are just a perfect case
in point we had the 9/11 Commission
2066
00:36:41,260 –> 00:36:41,270
in point we had the 9/11 Commission
2067
00:36:41,270 –> 00:36:43,060
in point we had the 9/11 Commission
which is great fine we had the 9/11
2068
00:36:43,060 –> 00:36:43,070
which is great fine we had the 9/11
2069
00:36:43,070 –> 00:36:44,860
which is great fine we had the 9/11
Commission who was on there was lawyers
2070
00:36:44,860 –> 00:36:44,870
Commission who was on there was lawyers
2071
00:36:44,870 –> 00:36:46,900
Commission who was on there was lawyers
academics and politicians so they were
2072
00:36:46,900 –> 00:36:46,910
academics and politicians so they were
2073
00:36:46,910 –> 00:36:49,390
academics and politicians so they were
these were all people that not a one
2074
00:36:49,390 –> 00:36:49,400
these were all people that not a one
2075
00:36:49,400 –> 00:36:52,210
these were all people that not a one
person on the 9/11 Commission was
2076
00:36:52,210 –> 00:36:52,220
person on the 9/11 Commission was
2077
00:36:52,220 –> 00:36:55,000
person on the 9/11 Commission was
somebody who was a career operations guy
2078
00:36:55,000 –> 00:36:55,010
somebody who was a career operations guy
2079
00:36:55,010 –> 00:36:56,680
somebody who was a career operations guy
now I’m not talking even necessarily
2080
00:36:56,680 –> 00:36:56,690
now I’m not talking even necessarily
2081
00:36:56,690 –> 00:36:58,930
now I’m not talking even necessarily
about intelligence operations there was
2082
00:36:58,930 –> 00:36:58,940
about intelligence operations there was
2083
00:36:58,940 –> 00:37:01,390
about intelligence operations there was
no career military operations guy there
2084
00:37:01,390 –> 00:37:01,400
no career military operations guy there
2085
00:37:01,400 –> 00:37:03,310
no career military operations guy there
was no career law enforcement operations
2086
00:37:03,310 –> 00:37:03,320
was no career law enforcement operations
2087
00:37:03,320 –> 00:37:05,020
was no career law enforcement operations
guys guys that have worked the street
2088
00:37:05,020 –> 00:37:05,030
guys guys that have worked the street
2089
00:37:05,030 –> 00:37:06,490
guys guys that have worked the street
and understand the problems there was no
2090
00:37:06,490 –> 00:37:06,500
and understand the problems there was no
2091
00:37:06,500 –> 00:37:08,650
and understand the problems there was no
career espionage intelligence guys there
2092
00:37:08,650 –> 00:37:08,660
career espionage intelligence guys there
2093
00:37:08,660 –> 00:37:11,620
career espionage intelligence guys there
was not a one not one and so what did we
2094
00:37:11,620 –> 00:37:11,630
was not a one not one and so what did we
2095
00:37:11,630 –> 00:37:13,210
was not a one not one and so what did we
get at the end of the 9/11 Commission
2096
00:37:13,210 –> 00:37:13,220
get at the end of the 9/11 Commission
2097
00:37:13,220 –> 00:37:15,460
get at the end of the 9/11 Commission
you had a bunch of of consummate
2098
00:37:15,460 –> 00:37:15,470
you had a bunch of of consummate
2099
00:37:15,470 –> 00:37:18,190
you had a bunch of of consummate
successful bureaucrats and what did they
2100
00:37:18,190 –> 00:37:18,200
successful bureaucrats and what did they
2101
00:37:18,200 –> 00:37:20,080
successful bureaucrats and what did they
advise they advised that we build a
2102
00:37:20,080 –> 00:37:20,090
advise they advised that we build a
2103
00:37:20,090 –> 00:37:22,750
advise they advised that we build a
whole much more bureaucracy and so we
2104
00:37:22,750 –> 00:37:22,760
whole much more bureaucracy and so we
2105
00:37:22,760 –> 00:37:25,390
whole much more bureaucracy and so we
got the DNI and DHS and these different
2106
00:37:25,390 –> 00:37:25,400
got the DNI and DHS and these different
2107
00:37:25,400 –> 00:37:27,310
got the DNI and DHS and these different
organizations more bureaucracy you know
2108
00:37:27,310 –> 00:37:27,320
organizations more bureaucracy you know
2109
00:37:27,320 –> 00:37:29,080
organizations more bureaucracy you know
how does that help it does not it does
2110
00:37:29,080 –> 00:37:29,090
how does that help it does not it does
2111
00:37:29,090 –> 00:37:32,110
how does that help it does not it does
not helped us it has hurt us it created
2112
00:37:32,110 –> 00:37:32,120
not helped us it has hurt us it created
2113
00:37:32,120 –> 00:37:33,940
not helped us it has hurt us it created
more bureaucracy bureaucracy means
2114
00:37:33,940 –> 00:37:33,950
more bureaucracy bureaucracy means
2115
00:37:33,950 –> 00:37:36,880
more bureaucracy bureaucracy means
inefficiency everybody knows that and if
2116
00:37:36,880 –> 00:37:36,890
inefficiency everybody knows that and if
2117
00:37:36,890 –> 00:37:39,370
inefficiency everybody knows that and if
you had stacked that 911 Commission with
2118
00:37:39,370 –> 00:37:39,380
you had stacked that 911 Commission with
2119
00:37:39,380 –> 00:37:41,530
you had stacked that 911 Commission with
a bunch of very experienced law
2120
00:37:41,530 –> 00:37:41,540
a bunch of very experienced law
2121
00:37:41,540 –> 00:37:43,360
a bunch of very experienced law
enforcement guys who actually had time
2122
00:37:43,360 –> 00:37:43,370
enforcement guys who actually had time
2123
00:37:43,370 –> 00:37:45,640
enforcement guys who actually had time
on the street very experienced military
2124
00:37:45,640 –> 00:37:45,650
on the street very experienced military
2125
00:37:45,650 –> 00:37:47,410
on the street very experienced military
guys it actually had time out in the
2126
00:37:47,410 –> 00:37:47,420
guys it actually had time out in the
2127
00:37:47,420 –> 00:37:49,630
guys it actually had time out in the
field and I have actual operations you
2128
00:37:49,630 –> 00:37:49,640
field and I have actual operations you
2129
00:37:49,640 –> 00:37:51,610
field and I have actual operations you
know counterterrorism the different
2130
00:37:51,610 –> 00:37:51,620
know counterterrorism the different
2131
00:37:51,620 –> 00:37:53,140
know counterterrorism the different
things that need to be done you had guys
2132
00:37:53,140 –> 00:37:53,150
things that need to be done you had guys
2133
00:37:53,150 –> 00:37:54,640
things that need to be done you had guys
that had actually done intelligent
2134
00:37:54,640 –> 00:37:54,650
that had actually done intelligent
2135
00:37:54,650 –> 00:37:56,380
that had actually done intelligent
recruiting operations and things that
2136
00:37:56,380 –> 00:37:56,390
recruiting operations and things that
2137
00:37:56,390 –> 00:37:58,180
recruiting operations and things that
had spent time in the field fighting all
2138
00:37:58,180 –> 00:37:58,190
had spent time in the field fighting all
2139
00:37:58,190 –> 00:37:59,110
had spent time in the field fighting all
of these sorts of things
2140
00:37:59,110 –> 00:37:59,120
of these sorts of things
2141
00:37:59,120 –> 00:38:01,060
of these sorts of things
if you together a group like that I
2142
00:38:01,060 –> 00:38:01,070
if you together a group like that I
2143
00:38:01,070 –> 00:38:03,160
if you together a group like that I
guarantee recommendations would have had
2144
00:38:03,160 –> 00:38:03,170
guarantee recommendations would have had
2145
00:38:03,170 –> 00:38:05,680
guarantee recommendations would have had
absolutely nothing to do with what came
2146
00:38:05,680 –> 00:38:05,690
absolutely nothing to do with what came
2147
00:38:05,690 –> 00:38:07,900
absolutely nothing to do with what came
out of this so-called blue-ribbon 9/11
2148
00:38:07,900 –> 00:38:07,910
out of this so-called blue-ribbon 9/11
2149
00:38:07,910 –> 00:38:09,820
out of this so-called blue-ribbon 9/11
committee and the recommendations that
2150
00:38:09,820 –> 00:38:09,830
committee and the recommendations that
2151
00:38:09,830 –> 00:38:11,890
committee and the recommendations that
group would have had would have actually
2152
00:38:11,890 –> 00:38:11,900
group would have had would have actually
2153
00:38:11,900 –> 00:38:13,810
group would have had would have actually
done something we would have stopped
2154
00:38:13,810 –> 00:38:13,820
done something we would have stopped
2155
00:38:13,820 –> 00:38:15,580
done something we would have stopped
tariffs and what recommendations that
2156
00:38:15,580 –> 00:38:15,590
tariffs and what recommendations that
2157
00:38:15,590 –> 00:38:16,570
tariffs and what recommendations that
would have come out with a group like
2158
00:38:16,570 –> 00:38:16,580
would have come out with a group like
2159
00:38:16,580 –> 00:38:18,580
would have come out with a group like
that instead what we’ve done is we’ve
2160
00:38:18,580 –> 00:38:18,590
that instead what we’ve done is we’ve
2161
00:38:18,590 –> 00:38:20,560
that instead what we’ve done is we’ve
just kicked the can down the road so you
2162
00:38:20,560 –> 00:38:20,570
just kicked the can down the road so you
2163
00:38:20,570 –> 00:38:22,450
just kicked the can down the road so you
know politics are really have cost us
2164
00:38:22,450 –> 00:38:22,460
know politics are really have cost us
2165
00:38:22,460 –> 00:38:24,310
know politics are really have cost us
just so many problems out of all of this
2166
00:38:24,310 –> 00:38:24,320
just so many problems out of all of this
2167
00:38:24,320 –> 00:38:26,320
just so many problems out of all of this
and and don’t help us in the national
2168
00:38:26,320 –> 00:38:26,330
and and don’t help us in the national
2169
00:38:26,330 –> 00:38:28,150
and and don’t help us in the national
security arena Brad we’ve run out of
2170
00:38:28,150 –> 00:38:28,160
security arena Brad we’ve run out of
2171
00:38:28,160 –> 00:38:30,360
security arena Brad we’ve run out of
time man but I appreciate your
2172
00:38:30,360 –> 00:38:30,370
time man but I appreciate your
2173
00:38:30,370 –> 00:38:32,170
time man but I appreciate your
illuminating the issue because I think
2174
00:38:32,170 –> 00:38:32,180
illuminating the issue because I think
2175
00:38:32,180 –> 00:38:34,450
illuminating the issue because I think
as you’ve pointed out all these many
2176
00:38:34,450 –> 00:38:34,460
as you’ve pointed out all these many
2177
00:38:34,460 –> 00:38:36,760
as you’ve pointed out all these many
years after 9/11 we still don’t have it
2178
00:38:36,760 –> 00:38:36,770
years after 9/11 we still don’t have it
2179
00:38:36,770 –> 00:38:41,110
years after 9/11 we still don’t have it
right yes you are right yeah we just
2180
00:38:41,110 –> 00:38:41,120
right yes you are right yeah we just
2181
00:38:41,120 –> 00:38:42,250
right yes you are right yeah we just
haven’t been able to get the fight
2182
00:38:42,250 –> 00:38:42,260
haven’t been able to get the fight
2183
00:38:42,260 –> 00:38:44,110
haven’t been able to get the fight
against as I’m done correctly and it’s
2184
00:38:44,110 –> 00:38:44,120
against as I’m done correctly and it’s
2185
00:38:44,120 –> 00:38:45,790
against as I’m done correctly and it’s
well just what I see the decisions
2186
00:38:45,790 –> 00:38:45,800
well just what I see the decisions
2187
00:38:45,800 –> 00:38:48,070
well just what I see the decisions
coming out are not helping much one of
2188
00:38:48,070 –> 00:38:48,080
coming out are not helping much one of
2189
00:38:48,080 –> 00:38:50,050
coming out are not helping much one of
my heroes Lawrence of Arabia TE Lawrence
2190
00:38:50,050 –> 00:38:50,060
my heroes Lawrence of Arabia TE Lawrence
2191
00:38:50,060 –> 00:38:52,330
my heroes Lawrence of Arabia TE Lawrence
had a famous saying and he knew a little
2192
00:38:52,330 –> 00:38:52,340
had a famous saying and he knew a little
2193
00:38:52,340 –> 00:38:54,280
had a famous saying and he knew a little
bit about intelligence and covert action
2194
00:38:54,280 –> 00:38:54,290
bit about intelligence and covert action
2195
00:38:54,290 –> 00:38:56,230
bit about intelligence and covert action
and it was the smaller the team the
2196
00:38:56,230 –> 00:38:56,240
and it was the smaller the team the
2197
00:38:56,240 –> 00:38:57,910
and it was the smaller the team the
better the performance but they don’t
2198
00:38:57,910 –> 00:38:57,920
better the performance but they don’t
2199
00:38:57,920 –> 00:38:59,770
better the performance but they don’t
get that in Washington thank you for
2200
00:38:59,770 –> 00:38:59,780
get that in Washington thank you for
2201
00:38:59,780 –> 00:39:03,880
get that in Washington thank you for
joining us today and thank you for
2202
00:39:03,880 –> 00:39:03,890
joining us today and thank you for
2203
00:39:03,890 –> 00:39:05,140
joining us today and thank you for
listening we’ll talk to you next time on
2204
00:39:05,140 –> 00:39:05,150
listening we’ll talk to you next time on
2205
00:39:05,150 –> 00:39:09,870
listening we’ll talk to you next time on
ground truth
2206
00:39:09,870 –> 00:39:09,880
2207
00:39:09,880 –> 00:39:12,840
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