Americans for Intelligence Reform

Brad Johnson, President, and retired CIA Senior Officer and Chief of Staff. Insight into current events from an intelligence angle.

Interview with Barry Webb, retired NSA Arabist, author and senior fellow at AIR

https://youtu.be/3uxAXVZGQ4E

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all the information that I would like

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all the information that I would like

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all the information that I would like
out in one interview but I definitely

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out in one interview but I definitely

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out in one interview but I definitely
would like to start with some really

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would like to start with some really

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would like to start with some really
focused questions like the first one is

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic

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as in the Quran and in the Islamic
sharia laws that is a threat to the west

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you know the Roman Empire also had s

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you know the Roman Empire also had s

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you know the Roman Empire also had s
colossal religion and the both of these

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colossal religion and the both of these

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colossal religion and the both of these
religions were Universalist and they

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religions were Universalist and they

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religions were Universalist and they
were fighting aim

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forwarded today what

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forwarded today what

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forwarded today what
you sink I mean let’s talk about these

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you sink I mean let’s talk about these

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you sink I mean let’s talk about these
institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood

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institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood

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institutions like the Muslim Brotherhood
and care and

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of

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ah yeah I mean y’all Qaeda Isis all of
these groups really have the origins in

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these groups really have the origins in

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these groups really have the origins in
the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then

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the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then

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the Muslim Brotherhood and yeah then
again their belief is Trio steps at the

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again their belief is Trio steps at the

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again their belief is Trio steps at the
Caliphate and to eventually take over

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Caliphate and to eventually take over

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Caliphate and to eventually take over
the whole world

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would you be able to name some of the

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would you be able to name some of the

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would you be able to name some of the
groups that are operating in the United

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groups that are operating in the United

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groups that are operating in the United
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States and perhaps Canada which are

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States and perhaps Canada which are
Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay

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Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay

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Muslim Brotherhood front groups okay
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whose limbs from Pakistan India

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whose limbs from Pakistan India

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whose limbs from Pakistan India
Bangladesh etc and they had kind of

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Bangladesh etc and they had kind of

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Bangladesh etc and they had kind of
their own origin in terms of radicalized

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locked up on secret evidence and we say

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locked up on secret evidence and we say

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locked up on secret evidence and we say
to y’all hang in there hang in there and

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to y’all hang in there hang in there and

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to y’all hang in there hang in there and
we will continue to make do a free

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y’all go back and get to work we will

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y’all go back and get to work we will

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y’all go back and get to work we will
end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so

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end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so

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end with the Pledge of Allegiance and so
you will repeat after me and sha Allah

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you will repeat after me and sha Allah

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you will repeat after me and sha Allah
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and I will die to establish this long

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and I will die to establish this long

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and I will die to establish this long
assalamu alaikum

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primarily I’m there were some of the

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primarily I’m there were some of the

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primarily I’m there were some of the
other gold states

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other gold states

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other gold states
you know wallets are kicking in but when

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you know wallets are kicking in but when

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you know wallets are kicking in but when
9/11 happens

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amount of truth to that because crystal

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amount of truth to that because crystal

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amount of truth to that because crystal
I am from hobby religion in Saudi

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I am from hobby religion in Saudi

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I am from hobby religion in Saudi
Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals

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Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals

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Arabia’s raised pretty much fundamentals
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oh there’s oil money this wealth and

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oh there’s oil money this wealth and

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oh there’s oil money this wealth and
they’re kind of modern eiseley built you

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they’re kind of modern eiseley built you

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they’re kind of modern eiseley built you
know school high schools and colleges

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know school high schools and colleges

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know school high schools and colleges
universities but they have no teachers

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universities but they have no teachers

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universities but they have no teachers
to staff these positions so all of a

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to staff these positions so all of a

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to staff these positions so all of a
sudden they’re flooded with these

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sudden they’re flooded with these

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sudden they’re flooded with these
well-educated Egyptians these boots

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well-educated Egyptians these boots

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well-educated Egyptians these boots
speak Arabic and have you know and

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speak Arabic and have you know and

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speak Arabic and have you know and
adhere to a similar ideology and so they

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adhere to a similar ideology and so they

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adhere to a similar ideology and so they
put all of these Brotherhood people in

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put all of these Brotherhood people in

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put all of these Brotherhood people in
into positions of Yemen

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be

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Mohammed Kutub who just happened to be
the brother of saya the coulomb right

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the brother of saya the coulomb right

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the brother of saya the coulomb right
the the author of milestones

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there’s a special honorable mention in

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there’s a special honorable mention in

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there’s a special honorable mention in
this because they control so many

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this because they control so many

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this because they control so many
universities in ways people wouldn’t

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universities in ways people wouldn’t

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universities in ways people wouldn’t
imagine and big budgets too but what you

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imagine and big budgets too but what you

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imagine and big budgets too but what you
but it’s a fair to say that these

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but it’s a fair to say that these

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but it’s a fair to say that these
organizations all are their their prime

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organizations all are their their prime

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organizations all are their their prime
and one and single focus is

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thousand and four it was it was captured

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thousand and four it was it was captured

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thousand and four it was it was captured
by the by the FBI raided a safe house

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by the by the FBI raided a safe house

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by the by the FBI raided a safe house
they picked up these documents and then

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they picked up these documents and then

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they picked up these documents and then
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Oh big yeah well that’s another another

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Oh big yeah well that’s another another

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Oh big yeah well that’s another another
phrase then and the end to destroy their

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phrase then and the end to destroy their

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phrase then and the end to destroy their
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miserable house yeah yeah a lot of

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miserable house yeah yeah a lot of
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Enda and that you had mentioned that

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Enda and that you had mentioned that

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Enda and that you had mentioned that
they had gotten together with the

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they had gotten together with the

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they had gotten together with the
Islamic state and had received you know

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Islamic state and had received you know

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Islamic state and had received you know
both weapons and training

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top 20 economies you know the countries

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top 20 economies you know the countries

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top 20 economies you know the countries
we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a

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we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a

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we’re meeting in Europe and Germany a
lot of antiphon over there

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those countries whether Islamist or

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those countries whether Islamist or

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those countries whether Islamist or
socialist there were a lot of secular

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socialist there were a lot of secular

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socialist there were a lot of secular
socialist at that time too in those

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socialist at that time too in those

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socialist at that time too in those
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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked

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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked

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I mentioned before the Nazis then picked
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up the financing for the Muslim

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up the financing for the Muslim
Brotherhood and again you’re you’re

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Brotherhood and again you’re you’re

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Brotherhood and again you’re you’re
talking about common enemies because

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we were through and these arab states

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we were through and these arab states

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we were through and these arab states
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for the given independence they didn’t

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for the given independence they didn’t
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tell tuesdaya young as long as

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tell tuesdaya young as long as
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governments they adopted pro-soviet

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governments they adopted pro-soviet
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quasi socialist secular governments

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quasi socialist secular governments
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because they still associated that with

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because they still associated that with

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because they still associated that with
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colonialism so the Muslim Brotherhood

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colonialism so the Muslim Brotherhood
came out with the Third Way

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating

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for sure I think I mean I’m speculating
a little here but it would seem to me

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a little here but it would seem to me

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a little here but it would seem to me
that we could look at Iran as being

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first of all the rumor is that

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first of all the rumor is that

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first of all the rumor is that
al-jazeera English is radically

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al-jazeera English is radically

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al-jazeera English is radically
different than al Jazeera Arabic is that

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different than al Jazeera Arabic is that

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different than al Jazeera Arabic is that
right this program never really hurt

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and they’re reducing this to

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and they’re reducing this to

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and they’re reducing this to
indoctrinate them in you know like Islam

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indoctrinate them in you know like Islam

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indoctrinate them in you know like Islam
it’s really a peaceful religion you know

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it’s really a peaceful religion you know

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it’s really a peaceful religion you know
and support us and all this kind of

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and support us and all this kind of

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and support us and all this kind of
stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway

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stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway

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stuff right so it’s okay the Gateway
toward okay towards getting them into

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toward okay towards getting them into

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toward okay towards getting them into
mosque will look at a different message

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mosque will look at a different message

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mosque will look at a different message
no doubt

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each other that Islam is

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each other that Islam is

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each other that Islam is
a tolerant religion the sum is that word

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a tolerant religion the sum is that word

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a tolerant religion the sum is that word
Everett for toleration and it says if

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Everett for toleration and it says if

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Everett for toleration and it says if
they’re trying to convince each other

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they’re trying to convince each other

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they’re trying to convince each other
that it really is a tolerant religion

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that it really is a tolerant religion

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that it really is a tolerant religion
but then when you read the con and you

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but then when you read the con and you

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but then when you read the con and you
read the you know there’s llama

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read the you know there’s llama

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read the you know there’s llama
jurisprudence you know I have a

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jurisprudence you know I have a

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jurisprudence you know I have a
completely different story so I think

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completely different story so I think

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completely different story so I think
that you the question is it again

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that you the question is it again

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that you the question is it again
because what they say on the newscast

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because what they say on the newscast

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because what they say on the newscast
they know that

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a

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those on al-jazeera etc you might get a
guest in that might take a hard line but

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guest in that might take a hard line but

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guest in that might take a hard line but
the real the real Q is to us what

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the real the real Q is to us what

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the real the real Q is to us what
they’re saying in the mosque

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towards that right after 9/11 but this

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towards that right after 9/11 but this

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towards that right after 9/11 but this
just there’s been a lot of pushback

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just there’s been a lot of pushback

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just there’s been a lot of pushback
because you know violation and freedom

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because you know violation and freedom

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because you know violation and freedom
of

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just

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no Robert Mueller I just had it I just
had I just had the ugly as for Russia

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care

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the Muslim Brotherhood organization care
in Estonia groups complained to the a

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in Estonia groups complained to the a

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in Estonia groups complained to the a
Bama Menace administration that about

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Bama Menace administration that about

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Bama Menace administration that about
the way counterterrorism was being

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the way counterterrorism was being

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the way counterterrorism was being
tucked and they demanded that all

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tucked and they demanded that all

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tucked and they demanded that all
mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism

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mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism

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mentions of jihad and Islamic terrorism
any connection with any form of

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any connection with any form of

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any connection with any form of
terrorism with any form of the word

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terrorism with any form of the word

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terrorism with any form of the word
Islam Muslim had to be deleted from

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was

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Robert Mueller and John Brennan also was
in on this we’re committing treason okay

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in on this we’re committing treason okay

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in on this we’re committing treason okay
they could not have done this without

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you know I think a state because the end

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you know I think a state because the end

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you know I think a state because the end
FBI could not connect the dots when you

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FBI could not connect the dots when you

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FBI could not connect the dots when you
even the dots were a race so how can you

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even the dots were a race so how can you

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even the dots were a race so how can you
connect up

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tires Supper I think a session with you

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tires Supper I think a session with you

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tires Supper I think a session with you
here just talking about the sent the

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here just talking about the sent the

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here just talking about the sent the
countering violent extremism strategy

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countering violent extremism strategy

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countering violent extremism strategy
which I think was the

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