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Brad Johnson it is August 13th on a
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Tuesday and there’s an awful lot of
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things that have happened that that that
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sure look what they have geopolitical
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significance I think the thing everybody
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is talking about is Epstein it feels
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like there’s nothing more left to be
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said but you surprised me before why
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don’t you just take it from there
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all right thank you yes the Epstein case
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is just absolutely the worst possible
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combination of optics that you could
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design it’s one of those things where
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the where the truth tends to exceed
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fiction but the you know the essential
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bottom-line problem is you had Epstein
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who was deeply involved with the
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Democratic Party certainly oversees
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individuals but the essential issue is
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he was deeply involved in democratic
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politics
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I mean Democratic Party politics a big
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donor well connected to Bill Clinton and
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that what was it I think we talked about
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a little bit last time 27 trips on the
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lolita’ Express and had made three trips
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to the island and all of all of these
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things which by the way Bill Clinton put
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out a a very interesting little news
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release where he said well from 2000 I’m
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making up the years I don’t remember
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what years it was he mentioned but from
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2001 to 2003 I only saw Epstein three
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times and was on his plane twice but I
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had the Secret Service with me at all
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times in blah blah blah he said all the
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stuff which all that was was accurate
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but the problem was not from 2001 to
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2003 it was from 2003 to 7 or or some
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whatever those years were where he was
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on the plane the lead expressed like
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20-some odd times and all of this so he
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was almost humorous it’ll go ahead
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there’s a good chance for bill to
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practice his famous line I did not have
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sex with that girl yeah that’s right
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the well so the problem all of that is
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is that those girls are all still out
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there and can testify and say who they
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had sex with and saying how the deal was
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so while Epstein being dead is a big
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help
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it makes her
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much harder it doesn’t make it go away
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and AG bar has already come out and said
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one of one of the two points he’s made
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is that 1f seems death is going to be
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investigated and to all of you people
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that were associates of Epstein don’t
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think the case is over we’re still
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looking at all of that so don’t rest
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easy was his history but now here’s the
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underlying essential problem and it’s
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just like I said it’s it’s it’s it’s so
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bizarre that it’s almost funny you had
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hundreds of people out there predicting
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Epstein was going to get killed in jail
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everybody was doing it I you know I’ve I
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sat down just started flipping through
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to see you’ve been saying that and now
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you weren’t seeing it reported on CNN or
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mainstream media but once you got beyond
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that everybody was speculating I mean
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you and I had touched on it in a
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previous interviews and I had personally
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at least haven’t said yea or nay that I
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thought he was going to get killed but
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merely that if he did it would be
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extraordinarily convenient for a lot of
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people and to that degree whether people
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were saying he was going to be killed or
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people that kind of went to the where I
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was at saying you know you know it’d be
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awfully convenient for people if he did
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get killed that spectrum of people
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stretched into the hundreds so you had
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it everybody’s saying this and the guy
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ends up dead now you know the basis of
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science if you will is you know you make
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a theory with predictions as to what the
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outcome will be of a certain set of
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circumstances and then you set up a test
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for it to see if those that theory is
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proven true that these series of events
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will play out the way you predict they
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will so I mean the basis of science is
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prediction so you had all of these
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people out there who accurately
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predicted that Epstein would die now
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that’s that is the bottom-line problem
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here so what to me the truly interesting
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aspect out of this is US attorney
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general bars reaction because the next
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day he’s saying this this is out of
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control has to be stopped
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and I think AG bar every time he sees
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something go on every time he takes the
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next step
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the next thing he sees more and more and
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more corruption and problems and the
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political system has been turned on its
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head now I’m not saying Epstein was
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murdered but while I would say
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absolutely 100% is there’s at least a
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strong possibility he was murdered I
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mean somebody killed him whether he
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killed himself or somebody else killed
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him he was killed so there there is no
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doubt of the outcome with Epstein now
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there’s people out there that have like
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pictures of the year saying all this
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parts different you know he was that’s
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not really him and all about I that’s
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kind of a little bit of the you know too
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far out there I I think it’s clear that
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Epstein is in fact dead and the question
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is who killed himself or somebody else
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the cause of death was strangulation we
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already know that it’s been out in the
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press that he hooked himself to the top
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bunk with torn up sheets tied it around
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his neck and then had to kneel down to
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strangle himself now I gotta say I mean
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that’s not that easy
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I don’t think kill yourself in that way
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is all that easy and there’s other
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evidence out there that Epstein would
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had just talked to a lawyer had just
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talked to a psychologist who said you
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know he was totally engaged and was
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looking you know working on mounting his
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defense had talked to lawyers about you
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know changing lawyers to create a
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defense for himself which he had
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basically an unlimited budget to throw
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it at the problem with having lawyers so
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he was going to have a class a defense
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out of this whole thing so there’s good
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indicators that he was not looking to
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kill himself that information is
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starting to float out there at the same
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time some of the stuff that’s been used
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as an excuse like saying oh well you
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know they were short-staffed that night
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there were only two people on duty
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one was a guard the other one wasn’t
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even really an employee it was just a
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volunteer at this place and those were
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the only two people around but rather
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again the optics being terrible they
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took him off the suicide watch
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he theoretically had already tried to
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kill himself once
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and you know so then now he’s mounting
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this defense and legal defenses all of
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these other issues and suddenly then
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successfully kills himself by tying
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himself to the top bunk and the kneeling
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so that he strangles and passes out and
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then eventually is completely strangled
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to where he dies is fixated with this
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with his sheets torn in strips I mean
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that’s not you know what kneeling
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feeling yourself grow unconscious and
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not do anything about it is is it is not
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that easy I’m not sure that that that
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guy would have been able to do a thing
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like that but also if you were gonna
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kill somebody and you had three or four
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people image to do it that would also be
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the way you’d kill somebody now I’ve
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heard some of the Talking Heads say on
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TV oh it’s way too soon it’s
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irresponsible to speculate you know this
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is terrible thing for people to be doing
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but you know BS he was killed so the
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speculation is to who did it him or
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somebody else
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there’s nothing irresponsible about that
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that was one or the other and yes we
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will find out to say conclusively was
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one of the other it’s too soon but it’s
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not irresponsible
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we will probably find out from the
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autopsy but that’s already been delayed
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and so we’re kind of now waiting to see
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every day they let that stretch out it
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gets worse and worse and worse and worse
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cuz like I said taken in some everybody
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was saying he was gonna die he was
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supposed to be on suicide watching was
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not he ends up dead on a night where
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there’s only one guard working and and
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and and one volunteer now what are
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saying well that’s why we have known
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suicide watch so it doesn’t mean
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anything but it’s actually the truth is
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the other way around if you were gonna
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wait and three or four or five other
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prisoners we’re gonna come in and murder
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him what are they gonna do it they’re
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gonna do it on those night they know the
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routine they’re gonna do it on one of
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those nights when there’s only one guard
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and one volunteer and used to say the
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one guard or the one volunteer maybe you
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know could have been in on it if there
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was big bucks out there so I mean now
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this is highly speculative that’s true I
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understand but if you were going to
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murder the guy that is when you would do
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it you’re not going to do it in
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day when there’s you know a dozen guards
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standing around and orderlies or whoever
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running around doing whatever they do
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that’s not the time you murder the guy
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it’s at night when it’s easy and there’s
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nobody there so to use that as a defense
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saying it’s innocent is the opposite is
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the truth it’s it’s it’s it’s not a
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defense saying that this guy killed
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himself
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now also of course that’s when he would
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have killed himself too because he knew
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he would be uninterrupted if that was
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truly what he was after us to do himself
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in so that’s when it naturally would
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take place I don’t think it’s either
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positive or negative as to proof as to
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who did it
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I don’t think we’ve got anything that’s
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really conclusive out there yet but
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again you could not design worse optics
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with everybody saying that he was going
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to die with the suicide watch with it
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being at night without being the guards
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around with it being so politically
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convenient to so many people in the
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Democratic Party most assuredly Bill
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Clinton with the Clintons already having
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that long list of people who very
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conveniently died you know at some point
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you know that list is getting pretty
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long and some of these people are really
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their deaths are just really convenient
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so at some point you have to start to
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question all of the coincidence
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but you should mention that I don’t
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think this was related at all
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but a person who is a former member of
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the Haitian government was just found in
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his Florida hotel room dead with a
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gunshot wound to the head apparently was
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apparently was suicide was Florida not
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Arkansas but it was suicide and let’s
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see the other thing that I think it’s
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interesting is that lots of the people
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that seem to be implicated in this
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entire thing are people who I think
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certainly would have both the money and
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the connections and the influence to be
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able to arrange something like this I
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don’t think I don’t think getting
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somebody killed in prison is that
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difficult to begin with but to somebody
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to people with that kind of money and
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the and more importantly who’ve actually
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appointed some of the senior people in
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that system you got to wonder how
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difficult it would be to set this up
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well and I think that’s an
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extraordinarily valid question and
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people get killed in jail
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pretty much every day I think and there
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are people that are would be are
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particularly interesting targets and as
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I think in the public based on movies
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know these sorts of information sources
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I think everybody’s aware that people
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who are considered rapists of children
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are particularly high targets are
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considered you know trophies in prison
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to say some of the harder core prisoners
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who are killers
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so you know he would have most assuredly
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have been a target to many if not all
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well not all auctions exaggerate but he
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would most assuredly be considered a
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target a trophy target by many many
0:11:40.040,0:11:43.400
prisoners because of what he did and
0:11:41.810,0:11:46.070
there’s other types of prisoners that
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are that are also similarly targets for
0:11:46.070,0:11:51.230
one reason or another but he certainly
0:11:48.080,0:11:53.180
fits that profile so like I say those
0:11:51.230,0:11:54.590
types of guys get killed every day there
0:11:53.180,0:11:56.840
was killings in prisons every day you
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know if you take the whole the sum total
0:11:56.840,0:12:00.560
of the prisons I haven’t looked at the
0:11:58.730,0:12:02.960
statistics but you know it’s not unusual
0:12:00.560,0:12:05.270
it’s not something highly publicized
0:12:02.960,0:12:07.400
because yeah we all know there’s gang
0:12:05.270,0:12:09.260
factions in prisons they kill each other
0:12:07.400,0:12:11.360
we’ve all seen the TV shows where
0:12:09.260,0:12:13.640
they’ve got knives concealed on their
0:12:11.360,0:12:15.380
person and unusual places and pull them
0:12:13.640,0:12:17.420
out and stab people and break them off
0:12:15.380,0:12:21.320
and all that sort of stuff so we know
0:12:17.420,0:12:23.840
but I will say to take in this guy
0:12:21.320,0:12:26.000
Epstein as long as you had enough people
0:12:23.840,0:12:29.120
to do it you know guy holding each iron
0:12:26.000,0:12:31.250
guy on each leg and holding in a
0:12:29.120,0:12:32.660
position where they’re you know pulling
0:12:31.250,0:12:34.430
on you know another guy pulling on that
0:12:32.660,0:12:36.830
till he’s unconscious strangled and then
0:12:34.430,0:12:39.620
tying him on top of the bunk and letting
0:12:36.830,0:12:41.990
him sit there where his actual death it
0:12:39.620,0:12:44.240
comes after he’s unconscious being
0:12:41.990,0:12:46.040
asphyxiated and then he he would do that
0:12:44.240,0:12:48.770
you could probably do that without the
0:12:46.040,0:12:50.570
bruises being you know so noticeable I
0:12:48.770,0:12:52.250
mean should they could come up with ways
0:12:50.570,0:12:53.990
to have things on their hands so it
0:12:52.250,0:12:56.120
doesn’t bruise so badly his arms and
0:12:53.990,0:12:59.570
legs I I don’t believe that it would be
0:12:56.120,0:13:02.210
all that difficult to accomplish in such
0:12:59.570,0:13:05.870
a way that would be difficult for an
0:13:02.210,0:13:06.440
autopsy to be conclusive so now you know
0:13:05.870,0:13:08.449
he’s been
0:13:06.440,0:13:10.459
smacked around and beat up and all of
0:13:08.449,0:13:11.660
that then yeah but I don’t I don’t think
0:13:10.459,0:13:13.940
they would do it that way
0:13:11.660,0:13:15.500
conceivably but I just don’t think so so
0:13:13.940,0:13:17.540
I mean that’s one of the problems that’s
0:13:15.500,0:13:21.050
inherent with this no matter what is
0:13:17.540,0:13:22.670
found now I’m going to 10-day Jabbar’s
0:13:21.050,0:13:25.430
personally paying attention to this I
0:13:22.670,0:13:27.769
have quite a bit of faith in him he
0:13:25.430,0:13:30.680
clearly sees the threat this type of
0:13:27.769,0:13:32.720
thing is to stability and belief in
0:13:30.680,0:13:34.699
public institutions such as law
0:13:32.720,0:13:36.920
enforcement he clearly understands that
0:13:34.699,0:13:41.149
so his goal out of all of that is going
0:13:36.920,0:13:43.250
to be to come to you know some sort of
0:13:41.149,0:13:44.329
conclusion on this so I think that’s
0:13:43.250,0:13:47.149
what you’re gonna see I think it’s gonna
0:13:44.329,0:13:49.610
be very carefully done me personally
0:13:47.149,0:13:54.139
whatever AG Barr determines to be the
0:13:49.610,0:13:56.120
case I probably 99% gonna go with
0:13:54.139,0:13:58.699
whatever that is because I just don’t
0:13:56.120,0:14:00.769
believe that based on how he’s been in
0:13:58.699,0:14:02.930
office so far that he’s gonna try to
0:14:00.769,0:14:04.970
cover anything up I think if it’s bad
0:14:02.930,0:14:06.379
he’ll say it’s bad I think if it the guy
0:14:04.970,0:14:08.839
killed himself but I think he’ll say he
0:14:06.379,0:14:11.569
killed himself now the the problem out
0:14:08.839,0:14:13.910
of all of that is a not sure it’ll be
0:14:11.569,0:14:16.819
all that conclusive so if it’s
0:14:13.910,0:14:18.920
inconclusive then you know like I said
0:14:16.819,0:14:20.509
even if it is 100% conclusive super
0:14:18.920,0:14:22.310
clear that he did it himself for
0:14:20.509,0:14:23.839
whatever reasons I you know I’m no
0:14:22.310,0:14:26.089
expert in that sort of thing so I don’t
0:14:23.839,0:14:29.420
know if the autopsy can truly say that
0:14:26.089,0:14:31.040
but even if it does you’re not a lot of
0:14:29.420,0:14:32.990
people that will never believe it and
0:14:31.040,0:14:34.279
like I said every one of those hundreds
0:14:32.990,0:14:36.500
of people who said he was going to be
0:14:34.279,0:14:38.899
killed in prison everyone I was gonna go
0:14:36.500,0:14:40.279
see told you so you’ve already got this
0:14:38.899,0:14:44.269
base of hundreds of people out there
0:14:40.279,0:14:46.610
already talking that way so this it’s
0:14:44.269,0:14:48.529
just not gonna die it’s just gonna be a
0:14:46.610,0:14:51.500
murder thing it’s gonna be on the list
0:14:48.529,0:14:53.480
of the clinton dead bodies list it’s not
0:14:51.500,0:14:56.120
gonna die also because the the guy who
0:14:53.480,0:15:00.230
oversaw the autopsy was connected to the
0:14:56.120,0:15:02.360
JFK autopsy the MLK autopsy and to every
0:15:00.230,0:15:05.269
other death for which there Spence
0:15:02.360,0:15:07.309
floating and circular conspiracy
0:15:05.269,0:15:10.639
theories since they happen so I thought
0:15:07.309,0:15:13.670
if they chose to bring that guy it’s not
0:15:10.639,0:15:16.850
going to help no it’s not and I would
0:15:13.670,0:15:18.920
have you know I would have brought in a
0:15:16.850,0:15:20.260
team of you know twelve or whatever you
0:15:18.920,0:15:22.940
could get by with it
0:15:20.260,0:15:25.130
you know one of the autopsy auditoriums
0:15:22.940,0:15:26.360
that they have for like medical schools
0:15:25.130,0:15:27.980
and just put it in front of everybody
0:15:26.360,0:15:30.440
that you can I wouldn’t have put it on
0:15:27.980,0:15:32.480
camera but I would have I would have put
0:15:30.440,0:15:34.130
it out there I mean one of the things
0:15:32.480,0:15:37.520
that you know certainly I learned in the
0:15:34.130,0:15:39.380
agency is you know you keeping a secret
0:15:37.520,0:15:42.110
among a huge group of people is much
0:15:39.380,0:15:44.330
more difficult so you know having this
0:15:42.110,0:15:46.040
autopsy closely observed by a panel
0:15:44.330,0:15:48.470
large number of people would have been
0:15:46.040,0:15:52.250
smart and it wasn’t done that and they
0:15:48.470,0:15:54.410
should have done it that way but you
0:15:52.250,0:15:56.030
know it’s it’s to pay off a whole big
0:15:54.410,0:15:58.280
group of people and manipulate the
0:15:56.030,0:15:59.900
situation is just too hard and one of
0:15:58.280,0:16:02.210
them would eventually give it up if it
0:15:59.900,0:16:04.010
was true but one or two people you know
0:16:02.210,0:16:05.630
somebody within the system especially a
0:16:04.010,0:16:07.430
high-profile guy like that I was not
0:16:05.630,0:16:08.840
aware of that by the way that it was the
0:16:07.430,0:16:11.060
same person that did those other right
0:16:08.840,0:16:13.790
autopsies but must be a pretty old guy
0:16:11.060,0:16:15.290
to have done JFK and MLK he was well he
0:16:13.790,0:16:17.030
was connected to an optic I’ll have to
0:16:15.290,0:16:18.890
go back to the article it’s surprisingly
0:16:17.030,0:16:20.270
I think it’s from The Daily Beast which
0:16:18.890,0:16:23.060
you wouldn’t have expected but
0:16:20.270,0:16:25.880
apparently this guy is a celebrity he
0:16:23.060,0:16:27.920
had a TV show one point about forensics
0:16:25.880,0:16:29.120
and so on I’ll send you the articles
0:16:27.920,0:16:31.520
quite interesting but he’s connected to
0:16:29.120,0:16:34.670
every every high-profile killing
0:16:31.520,0:16:38.450
including including even OJ Simpson I
0:16:34.670,0:16:40.970
think he likes the initials so that’s
0:16:38.450,0:16:42.620
great I think at the end of the day it
0:16:40.970,0:16:45.310
looks like the best we can hope for is
0:16:42.620,0:16:47.990
that AG Barr who so far has been
0:16:45.310,0:16:51.950
absolutely what one would hope of an
0:16:47.990,0:16:54.560
attorney general and and not anti state
0:16:51.950,0:16:57.890
or you know as we’ve seen perhaps in
0:16:54.560,0:16:59.150
some of the more recent ones we can hold
0:16:57.890,0:17:02.810
the best we can hope for it’s he’s gonna
0:16:59.150,0:17:05.180
do the job right and let us know yay or
0:17:02.810,0:17:06.140
nay or even if there’s some some
0:17:05.180,0:17:08.150
indeterminable
0:17:06.140,0:17:11.240
that he lets us know that there’s an
0:17:08.150,0:17:15.050
indeterminable I think I think we can
0:17:11.240,0:17:18.230
anticipate honesty out of the man I hope
0:17:15.050,0:17:19.520
so if it’s not then where the problems
0:17:18.230,0:17:22.340
are going to start to really mount up
0:17:19.520,0:17:23.510
and be be real serious so I think he
0:17:22.340,0:17:24.770
understands that and is gonna be
0:17:23.510,0:17:27.490
straightforward I think he’s a straight
0:17:24.770,0:17:27.490
shooter in general
0:17:29.140,0:17:38.900
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