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Rich Higgins, speaking in 2016 correctly predicts todays terrorism issues part 2

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tonight rich Higgins so grateful he

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tonight rich Higgins so grateful he

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tonight rich Higgins so grateful he
could hold on during the break and if

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could hold on during the break and if

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could hold on during the break and if
you’re just tuning in he is an expert in

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you’re just tuning in he is an expert in

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you’re just tuning in he is an expert in
political warfare strategy and that

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political warfare strategy and that

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political warfare strategy and that
particularly we’ve been talking about

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particularly we’ve been talking about

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particularly we’ve been talking about
the nexus between theological doctrines

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the nexus between theological doctrines

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the nexus between theological doctrines
and kind of Information Age

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and kind of Information Age

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and kind of Information Age
unconventional warfare he’s just he’s an

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unconventional warfare he’s just he’s an

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unconventional warfare he’s just he’s an
expert with years of experience at

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expert with years of experience at

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expert with years of experience at
Department of Defense and dealing with

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Department of Defense and dealing with

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Department of Defense and dealing with
helping us all deal understand the

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helping us all deal understand the

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helping us all deal understand the
threat that rebel is imposes to America

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threat that rebel is imposes to America

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threat that rebel is imposes to America
and Wade Miller who’s one of our

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and Wade Miller who’s one of our

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and Wade Miller who’s one of our
roundtable folks is here to him some

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roundtable folks is here to him some

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roundtable folks is here to him some
he’s about to ask I think yes so over

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he’s about to ask I think yes so over

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he’s about to ask I think yes so over
the last eight years I think that a lot

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the last eight years I think that a lot

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the last eight years I think that a lot
of us would probably argue that we are

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of us would probably argue that we are

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of us would probably argue that we are
in a worse position now in terms of

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in a worse position now in terms of

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in a worse position now in terms of
where are we at with radical Islam in

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where are we at with radical Islam in

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where are we at with radical Islam in
the world than we are now

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the world than we are now

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the world than we are now
it’s way worse now and so we’ve seen

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it’s way worse now and so we’ve seen

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it’s way worse now and so we’ve seen
with the Obama administration they’ve

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with the Obama administration they’ve

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with the Obama administration they’ve
been legitimizing group after group the

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been legitimizing group after group the

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been legitimizing group after group the
you know the Arab Spring the Muslim

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you know the Arab Spring the Muslim

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you know the Arab Spring the Muslim
Brotherhood none of which in my opinion

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Brotherhood none of which in my opinion

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Brotherhood none of which in my opinion
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would be truly moderate groups and the

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would be truly moderate groups and the
way we would view what moderate means

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way we would view what moderate means

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way we would view what moderate means
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and and my question to you is are there

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and and my question to you is are there
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any actual moderate major groups in the

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any actual moderate major groups in the
Middle East who we could work with and

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Middle East who we could work with and

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Middle East who we could work with and
what are some of the major moves we need

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what are some of the major moves we need

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what are some of the major moves we need
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to make over the next eight years to

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to make over the next eight years to
kind of a stifle or slow down the major

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kind of a stifle or slow down the major

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kind of a stifle or slow down the major
spread of radical Islam well the two

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spread of radical Islam well the two

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spread of radical Islam well the two
really good questions I think you have

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really good questions I think you have

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really good questions I think you have
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to start by understanding that how we

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to start by understanding that how we
define moderate dis is not going to be

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define moderate dis is not going to be

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define moderate dis is not going to be
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based on an American understanding of

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based on an American understanding of
what father it is that applies to even

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what father it is that applies to even

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what father it is that applies to even
some direct president Sisi in Egypt you

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some direct president Sisi in Egypt you

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some direct president Sisi in Egypt you
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know if you if you called him a moderate

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know if you if you called him a moderate
Muslim he would be offended by that he

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Muslim he would be offended by that he

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Muslim he would be offended by that he
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considers himself to be a pilot a pious

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considers himself to be a pilot a pious
Muslim and we need to understand that

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Muslim and we need to understand that

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Muslim and we need to understand that
those fault lines are not going to be

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those fault lines are not going to be

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those fault lines are not going to be
necessarily American fault lines and I

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necessarily American fault lines and I

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necessarily American fault lines and I
think so long as we keep trying to West

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think so long as we keep trying to West

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think so long as we keep trying to West
their eyes the Middle East we will never

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their eyes the Middle East we will never

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their eyes the Middle East we will never
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be able to actually discern um I think

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be able to actually discern um I think
the way we structure ourselves going

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the way we structure ourselves going

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the way we structure ourselves going
forward in this starts with recognizing

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forward in this starts with recognizing

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forward in this starts with recognizing
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that we need to shift to a strategic

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that we need to shift to a strategic
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defensive in terms of our approach to

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defensive in terms of our approach to
the war the idea that we’re going to

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the war the idea that we’re going to

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the war the idea that we’re going to
remake the Middle East into some sort of

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remake the Middle East into some sort of

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remake the Middle East into some sort of
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a democratic

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a democratic
you know utopia is ridiculous on its

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you know utopia is ridiculous on its

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you know utopia is ridiculous on its
base it’s been debunked and I’m far more

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base it’s been debunked and I’m far more

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base it’s been debunked and I’m far more
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concerned about our inability to deal

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concerned about our inability to deal
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with what is manifesting itself in

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with what is manifesting itself in
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Europe and in the United States right

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Europe and in the United States right
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now I could make a pretty compelling

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now I could make a pretty compelling
argument that our deliberate decision

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argument that our deliberate decision

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argument that our deliberate decision
making process isn’t compromised by

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making process isn’t compromised by

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making process isn’t compromised by
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these cultural advisors to the point

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these cultural advisors to the point
that we are the tool by which the Muslim

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that we are the tool by which the Muslim

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that we are the tool by which the Muslim
Brotherhood has brought about the regime

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Brotherhood has brought about the regime

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Brotherhood has brought about the regime
change then instantiate is the Arab

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change then instantiate is the Arab

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change then instantiate is the Arab
Spring we removed Gaddafi we removed

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Spring we removed Gaddafi we removed

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Spring we removed Gaddafi we removed
Mubarak you know we removed Saddam and

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Mubarak you know we removed Saddam and

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Mubarak you know we removed Saddam and
these are all objectives that the Muslim

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these are all objectives that the Muslim

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these are all objectives that the Muslim
Brotherhood has had on their wishlist

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Brotherhood has had on their wishlist

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Brotherhood has had on their wishlist
for the last 50 years and I think any

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for the last 50 years and I think any

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for the last 50 years and I think any
any problem that you know any solution

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any problem that you know any solution

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any problem that you know any solution
to the problem that’s depended upon our

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to the problem that’s depended upon our

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to the problem that’s depended upon our
ability to create moderates will fail at

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ability to create moderates will fail at

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ability to create moderates will fail at
the outset and so we need to define what

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the outset and so we need to define what

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the outset and so we need to define what
the end state that we want to turn in

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the end state that we want to turn in

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the end state that we want to turn in
for this and then work our way out from

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for this and then work our way out from

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for this and then work our way out from
there again we’re speaking tight with

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there again we’re speaking tight with

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there again we’re speaking tight with
rich Higgins and I want to repeat

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rich Higgins and I want to repeat

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rich Higgins and I want to repeat
something you said before the break

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something you said before the break

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something you said before the break
because I was really glad to hear it you

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because I was really glad to hear it you

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because I was really glad to hear it you
have been communicating with a Donald

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have been communicating with a Donald

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have been communicating with a Donald
Trump campaign and working with them and

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Trump campaign and working with them and

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Trump campaign and working with them and
helping them understand the nature of

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helping them understand the nature of

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helping them understand the nature of
the threat of radical Islam and how to

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the threat of radical Islam and how to

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the threat of radical Islam and how to
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defeat it in a way that is consistent

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defeat it in a way that is consistent
with understanding the threat we face is

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with understanding the threat we face is

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with understanding the threat we face is
that about right is Donald Trump do you

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that about right is Donald Trump do you

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that about right is Donald Trump do you
think he’s on board with what we need to

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think he’s on board with what we need to

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think he’s on board with what we need to
do I think mr. Coad absolutely

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do I think mr. Coad absolutely

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do I think mr. Coad absolutely
understands that thank you several

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understands that thank you several

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understands that thank you several
advisors or ellicott not understand this

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advisors or ellicott not understand this

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advisors or ellicott not understand this
but no even even within the folks that

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but no even even within the folks that

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but no even even within the folks that
are out there they’re you know there’s

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are out there they’re you know there’s

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are out there they’re you know there’s
there are different ideas there what

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there are different ideas there what

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there are different ideas there what
I’ve seen though is they are open to

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I’ve seen though is they are open to

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I’ve seen though is they are open to
frank and candid discussion and that’s

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frank and candid discussion and that’s

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frank and candid discussion and that’s
something that’s been conspicuously

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something that’s been conspicuously

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something that’s been conspicuously
absent going all the way back to 2001

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absent going all the way back to 2001

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absent going all the way back to 2001
and you know it’s refreshing to be

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and you know it’s refreshing to be

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and you know it’s refreshing to be
honest with you that you have people

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honest with you that you have people

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honest with you that you have people
inside the national security community

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inside the national security community

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inside the national security community
that are actually now having these

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that are actually now having these

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that are actually now having these
discussions at potentially senior

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discussions at potentially senior

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discussions at potentially senior
political levels already can actually

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political levels already can actually

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political levels already can actually
make a difference because I can tell you

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make a difference because I can tell you

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make a difference because I can tell you
well in the Bush administration Muslim

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well in the Bush administration Muslim

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well in the Bush administration Muslim
Brotherhood folks were in the room for a

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Brotherhood folks were in the room for a

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Brotherhood folks were in the room for a
lot of the senior decisions during the

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lot of the senior decisions during the

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lot of the senior decisions during the
Obama administration they’ve been

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Obama administration they’ve been

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Obama administration they’ve been
calling the shots and several cases

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calling the shots and several cases

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calling the shots and several cases
and now you know it’s not a surprise I

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and now you know it’s not a surprise I

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and now you know it’s not a surprise I
mean I think wait is the nail on the

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mean I think wait is the nail on the

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mean I think wait is the nail on the
head where you know we’re in a much

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head where you know we’re in a much

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head where you know we’re in a much
worse strategic yeah I would argue we’re

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worse strategic yeah I would argue we’re

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worse strategic yeah I would argue we’re
in a were strategic position then we are

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in a were strategic position then we are

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in a were strategic position then we are
now and it is the intended outcome of a

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now and it is the intended outcome of a

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now and it is the intended outcome of a
hospital campaign led by the Muslim

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hospital campaign led by the Muslim

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hospital campaign led by the Muslim
Brotherhood with violent components

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Brotherhood with violent components

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Brotherhood with violent components
brought forward by Al Qaeda and Isis but

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brought forward by Al Qaeda and Isis but

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brought forward by Al Qaeda and Isis but
it is the subversive element that is

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it is the subversive element that is

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it is the subversive element that is
really doing the greatest damage to us

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really doing the greatest damage to us

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really doing the greatest damage to us
where chickens I think I said to you

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where chickens I think I said to you

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where chickens I think I said to you
that night when you spoke at our home

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that night when you spoke at our home

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that night when you spoke at our home
that you want to have scary speakers

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that you want to have scary speakers

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that you want to have scary speakers
that we’ve had I mean most seriously I

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that we’ve had I mean most seriously I

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that we’ve had I mean most seriously I
wish we could talk to you for an hour

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wish we could talk to you for an hour

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wish we could talk to you for an hour
some night maybe we’ll just do that

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some night maybe we’ll just do that

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some night maybe we’ll just do that
hopefully in the future but I thank you

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hopefully in the future but I thank you

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hopefully in the future but I thank you
for calling I’m just thankful for people

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for calling I’m just thankful for people

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for calling I’m just thankful for people
like you who spent your life learning

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like you who spent your life learning

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like you who spent your life learning
about within time in the defense

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about within time in the defense

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about within time in the defense
department learning about the threat we

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department learning about the threat we

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department learning about the threat we
face and helping America strategize to

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face and helping America strategize to

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face and helping America strategize to
how to deal with it so thank you so very

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how to deal with it so thank you so very

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how to deal with it so thank you so very
much for calling in tonight

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