Having talked about the acute need of this for quite some time, Brad Johnson gives important analysis of what it means for the players. China’s effectiveness dumping money into universities and the pockets of researches won’t be so for long. The bill strengthens the State Department’s reach and requires disclosure from the above recipients – like the Harvard chemistry prof getting $50k a month from the CCP. Related past broadcasts available at intelreform.org . Please subscribe for powerful information on this and other issues. Brad Johnson is CIA Chief of Station (ret.) and president of AIR.
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brad johnson it is june the 18th of 2020
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and there appears to be new legislation
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on the horizon that is urgently needed
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certainly based on past interviews i
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have done with you
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where you are talking about especially
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chinese students and how their loyalty
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to the state
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and demands that they spy on demand are
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part of their part of their legal
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right to exist in china anyway can you
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clarify this please
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sure and that that’s uh this is an
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interesting development this is a
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subject
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that we’ve been covering quite a little
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bit and you know this really became a
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huge public issue
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in the head of the chemistry department
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for harvard i was indicted and arrested
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for spying for the chinese part of what
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he was doing was not reporting
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fifty thousand dollars a month that he
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was receiving for china
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while he was still getting grants from
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the united states government to work on
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classified programs so
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uh you can see the problem with the
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issue and now of course you can see why
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the professor fifty thousand dollars a
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month is
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a pretty good sum i mean if uh you know
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if anyone’s willing to pay you know i’m
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willing to accept a fifty thousand
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dollar month salary for
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uh not spying for the chinese but for
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any sort of legal thing
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at any rate uh this is one of those
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things where the chinese have taken
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a huge advantage and made very deep
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inroads into uh our our university
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system and our research institute
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system and those two things are closely
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and related as
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as as industries and
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uh we’ve seen just in the last few
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months or you know years so the fbi
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has really bumped up its efforts
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counterintelligence efforts to start to
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fight back against this and it’s just
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come out the press we’ve mentioned
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in a previous interview that 50 more
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than 50 people
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have either been directly fired or
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essentially forced
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to quit because of their ties back to
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china
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and as you correctly stated chinese
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citizens
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are required by chinese law to spy for
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china if asked to do so
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that’s part of the legal system they
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have there so they have no right to
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refuse
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which is not the same for americans and
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i am assuming canadians and
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most of the rest of the west you’re not
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required by law to spy for your
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intelligence agency of your respective
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countries
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so in this bill this is a very
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interesting thing because
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uh for once one thing uh clearly the
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democrats recognize this is a weakness
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now they’ve been very cooperative as a
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rule with china
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and so are are kind of averse
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to doing anything that you know is
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critical or
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or acting back against china so clearly
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they view this as a weakness and the
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reason i say that
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is because the the bill that is now
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being floated
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uh by the senate is bipartisan
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so that’s a that’s a big deal and what
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they’re uh uh trying to do is crack
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down on uh you know this
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theft of intellectual property the bill
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is called the safeguarding american
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innovation act
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and uh that’s going to be something that
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will strengthen
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state department now uh it’s going to
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excuse me allow them to deny
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visas and also it really toughens up the
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reporting that’s required
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uh for two things one anyone getting
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paid by the chinese uh or foreigners
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and also gifts to the university from
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foreigners particularly china and this
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is one of the things that i’ve
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repeatedly pointed out as a a perfect
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example
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of why this is such a problem in all of
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the covid19 reporting we’ve seen china
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spin this every way they can to cover
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their culpability in this whole thing
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and one of the things that they’ve done
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is they’ve used universities
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where they’ve given huge gifts and have
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people on the board of directors or
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board of regents whatever they’re called
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these these universities or institutes
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those are the ones coming out
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criticizing other people’s research on
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kovid 19 saying
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it’s fantasy it’s you know it’s it’s
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crazy theories it’s tinfoil hats
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stuff all of that but that’s directed by
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china to have them put that stuff out so
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we now we know we just basically you
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know i think everyone recognizes on
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covid19 we’re not getting
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all of the truth ever and a lot of
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people are kind of
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lying and manipulating for all of the
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different reasons out there so
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there and even within the different
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groups within the
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institute of health and these so-called
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experts on covet they’re
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they’re always at odds over all the
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details so we know
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we know we don’t know what’s going on
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for a fact so
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uh this bill is is hopefully going to
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help a great deal on kind of
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fighting back on the propaganda aspect
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of what we’re seeing coming out of
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of of china so this is a big deal
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and uh so there’s some fairly big names
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on the list of these
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uh people that are putting this out and
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as i said a couple of republicans and
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democrats
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r uh rob portman tom carper
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marco rubio and maggie hassan are
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are kind of promoting the bill and our
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sponsors for it so
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they’re apparently signing on some good
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co-sponsors are going to get good
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bipartisan support for this so this is a
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big deal a big step forward and a big
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victory
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and i would uh hope that the reporting
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and information that we’ve been putting
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out on this which has really been quite
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popular and interesting to a lot of
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people
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i hope that what we’ve done is really
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contributed to what we see happening
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here
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so it’s it’s a it’s a big deal and a big
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victory
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