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Barry Webb tonight we’re gonna discuss
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if I’m understanding you correctly the
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whole 72 virgins myth now before you
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start my impression was always that
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Mohammad was this guy that found a way
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to con teenage boys into fighting for
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his advanced sexual opportunity money
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and power by promising them sex in an
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afterlife when it was extremely
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difficult to obtain in the current life
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is there more to it take it away
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yeah there’s a lot to first of all the
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Quran does not give the number of 72 but
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however there are several places in the
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Quran this is the the jihadi who days
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fighting for for our law does you know
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he gets this free Express ticket to
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heaven immediately and in other words he
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doesn’t have to wait for the day of
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resurrection he in traditional Islamic
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thought even a devout Muslim who dies
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doesn’t go right to heaven in fact their
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attire consciousness and existence
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ceases to exist until the end of times
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and the day of resurrection and at this
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time all the graves will be opened up
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and all the bones will be reconstituted
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and recalled the with flesh and there
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been everybody goes to the Judgment Day
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but the jihadi who dies fighting for you
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know fused to be the law on behalf of
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the law doesn’t have to wait until the
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day of resurrection he gets this free
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Express ticket comes from s/he first the
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third chapter and third star of the
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Quran verse 169 it says don’t think that
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the martyr or you know was died fighting
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for a loft that he is dead
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no they they live and they’re with Allah
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now now all this stuff so they get these
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three goodies immediately and
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course among these goodies in addition
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to wine and fruit hanging from the trees
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and all this stuff beautiful young boys
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that pour your drink for you 21st you
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get you have these beautiful babes but
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then it’s just described this round
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breast hood and downcast eyes many
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they’re very submissive and the
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perpetual versions no matter how many
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times to screw them but the Quran never
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says 72 that came that number came from
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some obscure hadith that the 14th
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century scholar even affair quoted in
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his toughest Arabic on and so that
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became the standard for jihad he’s from
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then on out they you know bleeding the
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72 virgins but the two most
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authoritative collections of hadith
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sahih bukhari and sorry Muslim and they
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said you only get two of these bags but
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they’re 90 feet tall so maybe two is all
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you need
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holy cow I mean you know there’s an
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awful lot of jokes I could make right
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now and I’m not gonna do it but anyway
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one thing I wanted to bring up here is
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until your audience is it really awarded
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this idea come from and it’s not
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original with this long okay
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it died historical we find originally we
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have to go back into the early
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indo-iranians
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you know several thousand years before
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Christ the most ancient beliefs had you
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know when Dad died you went into this
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dark this dark place under the earth or
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nothing happened and it was just
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everything was dull and gray and you
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know forever never never really boring
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and then at some point this is about
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when the indo-iranian began to split up
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into well you know the air in India
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who ended up going to Indian when they
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split off the branch that went into
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Persia and then begin to develop beliefs
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that you know maybe there’s a way out of
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this maybe really important people like
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priests and and princes and warriors you
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know they get they can escape this
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dreary afterlife you know by going to
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heaven you know then after life they
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start to believe in an afterlife and
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then over time they began to add
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actually did you see lawyers Boyer no no
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warriors warriors worried yeah I just
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you know lawyers I would believe they
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would make that up for themselves but
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Surya princes and priests and warriors
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fighters that have this escape clause
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they can they can go to heaven you know
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and escape that that jury afterlife and
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so over time they begin to add goodies
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and you know what the heaven is going to
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be like you know you can enjoy your body
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will be refilled with flesh and you can
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enjoy although you know all these
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goodies and then they developed an idea
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that when you died you cross this bridge
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between the now and the hereafter and if
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you were a warrior or a prince or a
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braced and you were righteous you would
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be met by a beautiful young maiden and
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would then lead you across you know to
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the other side to heaven however if you
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didn’t meet that criteria you would be
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met by an ugly old hag and then she
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would jump off the bridge with you and
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you’d fall into this huge this deep and
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never-ending you know says I’m you know
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that’s the end of you know it’s sniffing
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significant here is that only certain
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males
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you know the elite males the rulers the
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priests and the Warriors are met by the
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beautiful maiden and taken to the you
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know to the paradise on the other side
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women never had a chance you know no
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matter what they did you know because
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they couldn’t be rulers they couldn’t be
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priests they couldn’t be warriors so
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they were Sol you know they down they
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went and we see that reflected to a
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Kalon never in the Quran doesn’t say
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anything about an afterlife for women
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I believe it does say that women or
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might be a hadith that women get to go
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and watch their husbands to have a
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wonderful eternity that’s not in the
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Koran but over time Islamic you know do
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what Allah the Islamic scholar was
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beginning to realize that this is a
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little bit one side and they have to do
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something for the women and so I’m gonna
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do you think there’s in the hadith just
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in some of the interpretations you know
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of later scholars that the really
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righteous woman who was totally devoted
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and obedient to her husband you can go
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to heaven and she would be reunited with
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her husband and if she had been married
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more than once you know maybe two or
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three four times after divorces you know
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then she gets to choose which one she
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gets to be with her favorite one so
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basically that means that particular
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husband is really going to hell it’s a
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very complicated well no no no because
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well because the husband see there’s
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going to be this there’s this big tent
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so just do miles a square in each
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direction and if you know up here the
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male of each of your four wives are
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going to end to the family kids etc are
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going to be in a corner of one of these
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in one of the corners of this tent and
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there is a hadith that says your seed
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will be you will be reunited with you
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now it does
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say that your wives well but seed could
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be you know your offspring but then you
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know as let me scholar says well mine
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are throwing the lights too so I just
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don’t understand how an attorney with
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your ex-wife is not help but anyway but
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but the thing is you know you’ve got
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your four lives each of them in a corner
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sixty miles apart they can’t see each
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other and so you can go visit whichever
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one you want to when you want to and
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you’ve also got the 72 luscious bags in
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the middle or the 290 foot one yeah I
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gotta tell you if this goes on more
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online I just don’t know which to
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believe less I mean let’s start with
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this where where did the number 72 come
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from well that’s again I said one
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obscure howdy thing I don’t know what
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hadith it is I’ve never seen it but I’ve
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read that the 14th century scholar even
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cut their quoted that Heath that’s at 72
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– and so you know that’s what all of
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these yo jihad is now they really think
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of 72 virgins
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that’s in the actual Koran it doesn’t it
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describe some kind of enormous wheel
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with couches where them patties all get
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a couch and there’s serviced by all
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these young boys freshest pearls and
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Elsie’s and these infinite number of
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women that Reaver Junaid and bricks it’s
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it’s anyway if it’s fact there is
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something in the Quran about that I mean
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it remembers what penny first I forget
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which verse it is but maybe I’m more
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than one burst but yeah the you know
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it’s not a wheel but when they go to
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heaven you know they’ll have you know be
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sitting on couches and the fruit will be
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dangling so close you know they can just
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reach up and have to move it’s like the
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Roman you know the Roman RCC just you
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know drop the fruit into their mouth and
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even though wine
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alcohol’s forbidden here on earth for
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Muslims if the Quran says they will have
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wine up there in heaven to paradise and
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you have these young young boys that are
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perpetually youthful filling intercom as
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soon as that’s empty and you never get
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drunk no hangover you know and it’s like
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the virgins are because what’s the point
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the point is I think that this was all
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inserted into Islam to convert what we
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started out as a branch of a Jewish
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Christianity to convert it into a
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warrior cult right request that makes
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perfect sense because all this stuff
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sounds like what you would sell to
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adolescent boys in order to get them to
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dawn weapons and go rob caravans for you
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yeah yeah yeah broad broad caravans or
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when you’re number of jihad he’s got
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enough numbers and you could go conquer
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countries and they end up covering most
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of the world you know based on it bit in
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the yeah I guess in the other point you
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know to take away from this that I
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wanted to stress is that they imported
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this whole idea of debates in heaven
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from the Persians from even a pretty
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thorough Austrian form of a person
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religion so you’re from way back
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Zoroastrianism right yes yes I wanted
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mention that in the Iliad of Homer in
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the ad the god Hephaestus also had so
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much as babes up there in heaven with
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him so so maybe it was then it sounds
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like an indo-european thing that was
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imported into Islam I mean the other
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thing this is great idea yeah let’s
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let’s use this and you know 72 or or the
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two big ones it’s different it very much
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sounds like what happens it sort of
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sounds like two things one
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a very long game of telephone where
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these legends get passed from ear to ear
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and person to person very few people can
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write and so you get these distortions
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and reinventions sometimes to a purpose
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and sometimes not yeah and it also
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sounds like what happens when you just
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there’s just no TV there supports what’s
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going on you know and I mean there’s and
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when it’s a win-win situation either you
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defeat the enemy in your quest buddy
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you know and it may be some slaves you
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can take with you or if you get killed
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you know then you get this express
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ticket to heaven and all holy goodies
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they made you know the other thing to
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take away from this is that you know
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right from the beginning you have the
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stratified society word you know certain
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elite males get all these extra goodies
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in heaven that other people don’t get it
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predicted but so if I were to take this
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if you were to take this and sort of sum
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it up a I want to quote a friend of ours
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who’s in in intelligence in the United
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States and the way that he put it was
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Islam is the perfect killing machine and
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the reason for that is all these things
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you’re saying you create this myth where
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there’s you gives people nothing to go
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out there and conquer and wage war in
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order to advance the ideology and now
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correct me now listen here’s here’s a
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question I have as I understand it
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technically jihad isn’t quite like
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offensive jihad isn’t legal and lessers
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of caliphs like if there’s no caliph
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there is only defensive jabbed you have
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to have some kind of cases bail i but
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when there is a caliphate and a sitting
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caliph who’s acknowledged as such is
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when they can go out and conquer
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territory as i understand it you when
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you take booty whether it’s sex slaves
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or money or territory
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you have to kick up I think it’s ten
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percent to the Caliph if that’s the case
0:15:25.740,0:15:33.610
it sounds an awful lot like how the
0:15:28.540,0:15:35.920
Mafia works I think yes probably good
0:15:33.610,0:15:38.680
comparison you know with the Mafia but
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there’s couple of things there one in
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reading the Quran when you understand
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the law of abrogation in that the more
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you know the later verses abrogate the
0:15:46.960,0:15:51.880
earlier verses if there is a
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contradiction and then you recognize
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that the eighth Sura and the ninth Sura
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were the latest that were quote-unquote
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revealed and these are by far the most
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militant and the reading I get from that
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is that jihad has to be is has to be
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continually exercised until the entire
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world is under Islam and say Apple you
0:16:20.650,0:16:28.600
know the intellectual yeah oh he
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actually I did a big paper on masters
0:16:28.600,0:16:32.440
you know my master’s thesis on him
0:16:30.190,0:16:35.170
comparing him with the guy who start the
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Hobby cult but his major work was not
0:16:35.170,0:16:37.890
the so-called milestones it was the
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thing
0:16:37.890,0:16:43.390
Quran means like under the shade of the
0:16:40.960,0:16:47.410
Quran something like that where he did
0:16:43.390,0:16:49.630
huge excesses of the entire Quran and
0:16:47.410,0:16:54.370
you know this seems like six volumes
0:16:49.630,0:16:58.840
each volume is you know like a thousand
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pages and is as long as wide and as tall
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and thick as encyclopedia you know
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enormous encyclopedia and when I did my
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thesis I focused on the 8th and 9th
0:17:10.090,0:17:16.540
syrups and that you know and say of
0:17:14.050,0:17:18.990
Goethe based his entire justice just on
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the Quran not on the hadith or any
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medieval commentaries or anything like
0:17:21.220,0:17:28.209
that entirely on the Quran and he came
0:17:24.880,0:17:30.460
to the conclusion that all Muslims now
0:17:28.209,0:17:32.160
should be and what he called the final
0:17:30.460,0:17:34.320
stage of jihad
0:17:32.160,0:17:37.530
which is continue or against the
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infidels until the entire world is under
0:17:37.530,0:17:47.430
a loss law and the mohammed abu founded
0:17:45.000,0:17:50.220
the Wahhabi called saudi arabia two
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hundred years previously also came to
0:17:50.220,0:17:55.080
the same conclusion working only with
0:17:52.470,0:17:58.550
long okay
0:17:55.080,0:18:02.490
now the part that you said about the
0:17:58.550,0:18:05.760
only the ending only the caliph the
0:18:02.490,0:18:08.820
khalifa can declare the jihad that is in
0:18:05.760,0:18:10.680
the islamic jurisprudence it’s not the
0:18:08.820,0:18:11.550
promise in the jurisprudence to the
0:18:10.680,0:18:13.500
sorry Allah
0:18:11.550,0:18:15.270
well it doesn’t use the word of hadith
0:18:13.500,0:18:18.570
it used in the Arabic version who uses
0:18:15.270,0:18:23.840
the word Imam which can be interpreted
0:18:18.570,0:18:26.850
as the the kata if there is a caliph or
0:18:23.840,0:18:30.540
an imam there’s really any religious
0:18:26.850,0:18:32.010
leader you know in any mosque really so
0:18:30.540,0:18:34.050
well these are kind of open there’s two
0:18:32.010,0:18:38.640
who can declare jihad when there is no
0:18:34.050,0:18:42.150
kala so at the end of the day if you
0:18:38.640,0:18:44.430
wage jihad against the infidel and then
0:18:42.150,0:18:46.620
you go straight to heaven without
0:18:44.430,0:18:51.060
waiting in the grave and you get either
0:18:46.620,0:18:53.070
72 virgins or two 90 feet virgins yes
0:18:51.060,0:18:57.180
and they don’t mean I guess they don’t
0:18:53.070,0:19:02.750
mean a centipede by that right 90 feet
0:18:57.180,0:19:05.790
tall our woman man there’s another
0:19:02.750,0:19:08.310
couple more verses in the both in the
0:19:05.790,0:19:13.050
South people carry and and be Sofia
0:19:08.310,0:19:15.110
Muslim saying that these these quarries
0:19:13.050,0:19:20.480
that’s the Arabic these babes in heaven
0:19:15.110,0:19:24.000
have flesh so pure they are transparent
0:19:20.480,0:19:25.710
that you can assume clear and
0:19:24.000,0:19:28.410
transparent you can see clear to the
0:19:25.710,0:19:32.160
bones so other words don’t look at them
0:19:28.410,0:19:35.670
after they eat let’s go I’m thinking of
0:19:32.160,0:19:38.810
necrophilia they’re very very did well
0:19:35.670,0:19:40.910
there’s a hadith about that too and
0:19:38.810,0:19:43.130
there but I notice if you buy the
0:19:40.910,0:19:45.680
English version of the hadees the one
0:19:43.130,0:19:47.930
about Mohammed and necrophilia is
0:19:45.680,0:19:49.820
actually missing but the numbers
0:19:47.930,0:19:51.020
conspicuously absent too so it says
0:19:49.820,0:19:53.600
something you know something is missing
0:19:51.020,0:19:55.820
a couple more of points here I want to
0:19:53.600,0:19:58.250
make what is that you know mentioned
0:19:55.820,0:20:02.420
earlier that the whole idea of babes in
0:19:58.250,0:20:05.150
heaven originated with who into Aryans
0:20:02.420,0:20:09.770
even before was her last year and well
0:20:05.150,0:20:11.060
somehow passed into Arabic lore there
0:20:09.770,0:20:13.520
around me the Arabs were settled in
0:20:11.060,0:20:15.500
Mesopotamia you know for actually before
0:20:13.520,0:20:18.320
Islam so let’s they probably picked it
0:20:15.500,0:20:23.780
up from the Persians at that time but
0:20:18.320,0:20:28.490
the word in Old Persian was powering
0:20:23.780,0:20:32.270
days that that became a photo booths in
0:20:28.490,0:20:35.600
Arabic and in our English is paradise so
0:20:32.270,0:20:38.030
even the word for paradise came from
0:20:35.600,0:20:43.010
Persian and so again this totally
0:20:38.030,0:20:44.690
destroys the myth that the put on wood
0:20:43.010,0:20:47.330
and every word in it was pre-existing
0:20:44.690,0:20:51.110
you know with off with all off you know
0:20:47.330,0:20:53.060
for all time okay that’s one point now
0:20:51.110,0:20:54.980
the other point I’m also the word hoary
0:20:53.060,0:21:00.950
sounds suspiciously similar to an
0:20:54.980,0:21:03.470
English word well actually it’s a hardy
0:21:00.950,0:21:11.600
it’s hard gets that kind of all that
0:21:03.470,0:21:16.100
some breathy age but in Aramaic they
0:21:11.600,0:21:17.750
have a word Cora which means current
0:21:16.100,0:21:19.790
Emmet in English it was it became
0:21:17.750,0:21:23.840
translated as current which is a reason
0:21:19.790,0:21:27.440
now many years back there was a air
0:21:23.840,0:21:32.900
makes car that wrote a paper about this
0:21:27.440,0:21:37.880
saying that the Hori in the Quran is the
0:21:32.900,0:21:40.880
same as the the kurta our currents in
0:21:37.880,0:21:43.040
Aramaic and therefore what these guys
0:21:40.880,0:21:46.190
are getting in heaven are raisin 72 race
0:21:43.040,0:21:48.680
and settlers but that makes no because
0:21:46.190,0:21:51.380
the Quran itself definitely says that
0:21:48.680,0:21:53.270
the jihadi will be wedded to them
0:21:51.380,0:21:55.850
you know they’re round breasted and all
0:21:53.270,0:21:57.470
this stuff’s alright one more thing you
0:21:55.850,0:21:59.570
leave I want to leave your audience with
0:21:57.470,0:22:02.240
this one more little tidbits you know
0:21:59.570,0:22:06.500
these suicide bombers blow themselves up
0:22:02.240,0:22:09.620
yes knowing that they get this immediate
0:22:06.500,0:22:11.300
free Express ticket to heaven don’t have
0:22:09.620,0:22:12.860
to wait for the you yell yeah on last
0:22:11.300,0:22:14.780
days all this stuff and there’s 72
0:22:12.860,0:22:17.870
virgins are waiting breathlessly for
0:22:14.780,0:22:25.370
them they wrap their penises with tin
0:22:17.870,0:22:27.500
foil right bits and they need some
0:22:25.370,0:22:30.100
Obamacare when I get there as long as
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the piece of equipment is still intact
0:22:30.100,0:22:34.340
ready for action when they get there I
0:22:32.750,0:22:36.260
have to say they’re either very very
0:22:34.340,0:22:40.070
poor bombs or they must have
0:22:36.260,0:22:41.510
extraordinarily good tin foil it doesn’t
0:22:40.070,0:22:44.780
strike me as a very sick but you know I
0:22:41.510,0:22:46.340
also noticed that that all the best
0:22:44.780,0:22:48.920
suicide bombers appear to be gone
0:22:46.340,0:22:50.660
because lately the bombings have been
0:22:48.920,0:22:53.150
done by just leaving bombs around in
0:22:50.660,0:22:55.460
Leon yesterday yesterday the day before
0:22:53.150,0:22:56.990
a bomb went off and of course we don’t
0:22:55.460,0:23:00.620
know yet that it was a Muslim but you
0:22:56.990,0:23:02.030
know the bookies say that the bookies
0:23:00.620,0:23:05.930
were giving our thousand-to-one it was
0:23:02.030,0:23:08.150
and he trained in France and Lyon France
0:23:05.930,0:23:10.700
yes and of course the guy is nowhere to
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be found and they pink washed his photo
0:23:10.700,0:23:15.860
but you know I’ve got odds that it was a
0:23:14.120,0:23:18.590
Muslim but it’s interesting that they’re
0:23:15.860,0:23:19.910
not really they’re sort of they seem to
0:23:18.590,0:23:22.040
be out of the ones that are ready to
0:23:19.910,0:23:28.540
blow themselves to pieces I don’t know I
0:23:22.040,0:23:32.360
don’t know why that would be random for
0:23:28.540,0:23:36.260
suicide is against the precept of Islam
0:23:32.360,0:23:38.000
however these young to modern scholars
0:23:36.260,0:23:41.330
that are pushing these guys into doing
0:23:38.000,0:23:44.780
this say that well you know if you’re if
0:23:41.330,0:23:47.000
you kill some come far some infidel then
0:23:44.780,0:23:48.950
you’re fighting for Allah and they
0:23:47.000,0:23:50.270
always forget about what you’re doing
0:23:48.950,0:23:52.960
this you know then you’re a martyr
0:23:50.270,0:23:56.000
you’re Saeed you go say to heaven oh uh
0:23:52.960,0:23:57.740
you know but then again I mean you start
0:23:56.000,0:24:00.140
to run out of manpower so maybe they’re
0:23:57.740,0:24:02.030
starting your wise up and actually using
0:24:00.140,0:24:03.320
remote-controlled bombs and stuff like
0:24:02.030,0:24:06.320
that you know every
0:24:03.320,0:24:07.670
I discuss Islam with somebody I really
0:24:06.320,0:24:10.640
feel like I need to go take a shower
0:24:07.670,0:24:12.350
afterwards thank you very much for for
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taking the time and the effort to learn
0:24:12.350,0:24:16.340
this stuff let alone explaining to us
0:24:14.150,0:24:17.330
because wow wouldn’t it be great to be
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doing something else
0:24:17.330,0:24:22.250
thank you very much Barry web NSA
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Arabist and translator will speak to you
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again very soon
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gracias baba
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